So hopefully someone can answer my questions -
4 weeks ago my Dr started me on 1ml of test every two weeks. The first two weeks I actually felt outstanding - the third week after my 2nd shot I felt great but by the 4th week I felt horrible. Tired. No libido. Dr took my blood at the start of the 5th week and T was 200 E -20.
She agreed to one shot every week of 1ml. I took
My shot three days ago and I still feel the same. Will it take a few weeks?
“1ml of Test” doesn’t tell us what you are taking. what form of Test is it? what’s the concentration?
For example, if it’s Test Cypionate and it is 200mg per ML, then you are taking 200mg.
some test Cyp is 100mg per ML, so if you just said you are taking 1ml, that could be either 100mg or 200mg. other forms of Test, such as Sustanon are a whole other thing, and if you were taking that it would mean something entirely different.
so, report your doses in mg from now one. if you begin taking an Aromatase Inhibitor at some point, you will report that in mg/wk as well. If HCG comes into your protocol, you will report that in IU’s (international units).
having said that, I’m going to assume you were taking the more common 200mg/mL concentration, so when you started, you took 200mg in one shot, to last you two weeks. that is “old school” and archeaic. you feel great (maybe) at the beginning, but as time goes on, you feel like hell by day 10 or 11, not to mention that large dose will probably shoot your estrogen levels up which isn’t good. so the next logical thing to do is dose more frequently, so we try 100mg/week in a once a week shot.
some do fine here, but a lot still feel shitty by day 5-6, and even the 100mg shot at once can cause estrogen to be too high. Estrogen follows Test- Test goes up, so does Estrogen. So we go further, split the dose to something like 50mg every 3.5days- for instance I do mine Sunday AM and Wednesday PM. Others do every other day (EOD), every three days (E3D), etc. This keeps levels consistent and keeps from feeling these crashes.
Your crash, and not feeling great is probably from infrequent dosing and elevated estrogen- you will need to get that tested in your blood draws as well- specifically E2. Depending on what lab you use, there will be certain E2 tests you want to use- you want to make sure you aren’t using an estrogen test meant for women. It will be called E2 sensitive or Ultrasensitive depending on lab.
Ok 1ml of 200mg - Test Cyp every other week- now after those tests
1ml every week. Dr won’t give me a anti-estrogen because numbers were good.
report your T dose in mg!
so your dose used to be 200mg every two weeks, now it is 200mg/wk.
ok I just re-read your original post and saw E of “-20”. this doesn’t make sense to me. I’m not aware of any way you could have negative estrogen. That said, you need to take charge of your own health, do some reading on here, and get a grasp of the very basic knowledge of what you are talking about. You are a man, your doctor should be testing Estradiol (E2). If your doctor simply tested for “estrogen” I have a suspicion that a female oriented test was used.
report back with all of the labs you have had done- prior to TRT and since starting. type them into the reply box as they appear on your results sheets, including the ranges.
you went from 200mg/one shot every two weeks, to 200mg once a week. some research would have told you that 200mg/every 2 weeks is a bad dosing schedule. you could
feel great at 200mg/wk, but for most that will be too much (for TRT) and you’re probably close to walking that cost/benefit line.
now, apparently there are some men that need 200-300mg/wk to get the same benefits that most get at 100mg, time will tell.
Just because you’re taking testosterone doesn’t mean you’re going to feel awesome every week. You can feel just as crappy as you did before TRT and as often especially if the other factors have nothing to do with low test.
The stickies are there for a reason. Read them. Know them. Love them.
As Fat Bot 33 said the answers are available. However lets think about this. The period between TRT seems very long however initially it worked for you. Once you body starts sensing you have a test blast it starts shutting down production. My guess but after reading about this for a good while your body is cutting down the test it is producing. Thus the reason starting your 3rd week you are not getting the results you had initially, simply put you most likely have a much lower T because of the bodies reaction. I don’t see any lab testing either. Why the 2 weeks between test injections and lack of lab results makes me question the understanding of your doc.
I would bet that you have a nice result until your body tapered your T since it was seeing the T you injected. I hope that makes some sense but I would be going back to the doc and asking for some testing at a minimum T, free T, E2, and anything else he is willing to do. My experience is that most of these guys like to wait 6 weeks before retesting. Ridiculous…
I’ve been through this before, both with starting TRT and this forum. There are a bunch of really smart fuckers here, but they want you to want it, and that means reading and researching. They’ve all been through it and get tired of spoon feeding us retards when we start, myself included.
Here’s the shit. Get your labs, scan them, and post them here. Let the bros read them and tell you what’s what.
Know your dosing. Is it weekly, EOD, or E3D. understand the esters/half lifes and how they affect your mood. Personally, I’m on 130 mg weekly, but I was on 110 mg E7D, but I know I will need to go to E3D because I crash on day five, or at least I did on 110.
Don’t get bowed up when someone tells you how stupid you are, because you aren’t stupid, your just not as informed, yet.
This is complex shit, but it is worth it. TRT does make you feel better, and it works. But, it’s not as simple as getting a shot every two weeks and now you’re cured. You need to understand the science, know what’s going on, so you don’t get bitch tits, acne, and go roid rage on your kids. Your provider doesn’t give a shit, peeps here do give a shit and they can help guide you.
So, read and read and read, post your labs, and feel mo betta!
Regards,
The Myth
don’t scan the labs, type them in here. attached “photos” have a way of disappearing and often the text will end up blurry, as a lot are accessing the forums on a 3-4" phone screen.
I = Fat Bot!
Ok- so finally got my labs back- with the holiday and weekend here ya go
Test -1100
E-88
Dr is putting me on anaztrolzole one tab a week.
This test was three days after my injection.
I’m thinking I should do half a tab twice a week.
[quote]DrDog wrote:
Ok- so finally got my labs back- with the holiday and weekend here ya go
Test -1100
E-88
Dr is putting me on anaztrolzole one tab a week.
This test was three days after my injection.
I’m thinking I should do half a tab twice a week. [/quote]
I would suggest splitting the 200mg/wk into 2 doses injected every 3.5 days. And I’d also suggest starting at .25mg anastrozole twice a week. Starting at .5 mg anastrozole twice a week may drive your e2 too low.
But see what others here with more knowledge have to say.
.5 would drive it down too much? It’s 88!
[quote]Gossamer wrote:
[quote]DrDog wrote:
Ok- so finally got my labs back- with the holiday and weekend here ya go
Test -1100
E-88
Dr is putting me on anaztrolzole one tab a week.
This test was three days after my injection.
I’m thinking I should do half a tab twice a week. [/quote]
I would suggest splitting the 200mg/wk into 2 doses injected every 3.5 days. And I’d also suggest starting at .25mg anastrozole twice a week. Starting at .5 mg anastrozole twice a week may drive your e2 too low.
But see what others here with more knowledge have to say.[/quote]
[quote]DrDog wrote:
.5 would drive it down too much? It’s 88!
[quote]Gossamer wrote:
[quote]DrDog wrote:
Ok- so finally got my labs back- with the holiday and weekend here ya go
Test -1100
E-88
Dr is putting me on anaztrolzole one tab a week.
This test was three days after my injection.
I’m thinking I should do half a tab twice a week. [/quote]
I would suggest splitting the 200mg/wk into 2 doses injected every 3.5 days. And I’d also suggest starting at .25mg anastrozole twice a week. Starting at .5 mg anastrozole twice a week may drive your e2 too low.
But see what others here with more knowledge have to say.[/quote]
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Was that 88 a sensitive estradiol test? Was it taken at peak or trough?
It’s usually safer to start with a lower dose of anastrozole, and see where that puts you. I’ve found that it’s easier to adjust by adding a little more only if needed. If you go too low quickly, it can be difficult to bring it back up.
The most difficult thing for me on trt, was being patient dialing in with e2.
It’s possible you may need more anastrozole. But maybe not.
Good post…
Can’t wait to hear results