So… you were given a dose of truth…and you respond with insults.
Well that pretty much sums it up…conversation closed…
So my truth, which isn’t yours, doesn’t make sense to you? Fair enough…I can live with that. Won’t lose any sleep over it.
Oooh look what I found…and for full disclosure I’m okay with moderate rep ranges…
The Hypertrophy Rep Range: How Many Reps to Build Muscle?.
I haven’t read all the comments, but I’ll say strength allows one to use more weight for the same amount of reps as a weaker individual does with far less.
If we take two genetically identical lifters, one has a 300 lb overhead press, and the other 185 lbs. They both do a few sets of 10 at 70%. Which one has bigger shoulders?
A lot of big BBers do a lot of sets in that 60-70% range, but that 70% is still a lot of weight. They had to get strong to lift those weights.
I don’t think very many people are successful at getting really big without getting at least pretty strong.
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I’ve written a series of articles on that topic:
Some additional points:
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Even if performed with proper form, some exercises do carry a higher risk of injuries. The more complex the lift, and the more coordination and stability it requires, the more likely you are to put yourself in a dangerous situation.
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The main factor in injury risk though, is load management. This has two elements. First, the load range that you can use on a movement (e.g. you can use more weight on the deadlift than on a curl), typically the more weight you place on your body, the higher the risk of injury. I’m not saying that you will get injured by lifting heavy, but you are more likely. The second aspect is load selection versus your capacity to lift a load in good form. Ironically, the deadlift, squat and even bench press, are movements on which you can lift more when you break form. But that does put the body in a more hazardous position, handling a load that is excessive relative to your true capacities. Not to mention that it makes the exercise less effective from a muscle-building standpoint.
You make an important distinction when talking about exercises for your goal.
If you are simply looking to build bigger muscles, the traditional variations of the big lifts are not necessary and, for many might not be the most effective choice (depends on your levers, see my article series).
If you are training for strength then, big basic barbell lifts, with their higher demands on stability and coordination might offer an advantage and be worth it.
If you are a powerlifter, well, you do have to train on the exercises you are gonna compete in!
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Oh dear. We’ve come to this?
You still havent explained what an appropriate exercise is, let alone some sort of truth.
If we get a divorce I’m getting the dog. Not half the dog, not weekend dog, the whole freakin dog. You can have the glassware. I never like it anyways.
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Here’s the thing…how long is a piece of rope? You’ve clearly NOT been paying attention while you’ve been trying to be funny.
Like I said…approaches, and therefore exercises depend on the goals of the individual. So do we have to explore the myriad of possibilities?
I’m sure that you’re clever enough to figure it out.
Nope. Didn’t say that.
Sure do. I’m a long limbed short torso descendant of northern Europeans. I don’t squat like an Asian.
Injury and disease aside, everyone can squat. Go watch toddlers and little kids move. Drop right into a full squat without even thinking about it. It’s totally normal and easy for them.
It shows 
FWIW I’m a physiotherapist currently completing post grad study in sports and execise science.
Is the person who gets panic attacks in a swimming pool as robust and functional as one who doesn’t?
The statistics are real, the implications are not supported. Research has not consistently shown lifting with poor techniqe leads to injuries. Not to mention research does suggest that people with the highest levels of pain lift with the neutral-est spines. There’s even research to suggest that lifting with a rounded back is stronger because of how it affects your leverages.
Did you just use a YouTube comment session as evidence? Group consensus is not the same as truth.
Yeah, I agree. It’s just that you seem to equate health to avoiding that which is challenging, whereas I equate health to being prepared for a multitude of potential stressors.
Your definition is like mine, but softer
And yet their spines are stronger, because the body adapted. Weird huh
You missed the point my friend. We live in a world where we cannot control everything that happens to us, and anything that happens to us is affected by a myriad of outside factors. Trying to control the chaos is the inpossible solution. The only viable solution is to prepare for chaos and be resilient to it.
You’re right. Our shoulder capsules were built to be able to adapt to bench pressing, when provided with an appropriate dose.
The only useful rule learnt from evolutionary biomechanics is that the body was designed to adapt to its environment, to allow the organism to thrive. Also, let’s not forget that throwing, jumping, landing and sprinting all place significantly greater forces through the body than most can achieve in a weight room. Sprinters experience ground reaction forces of 2.5-5 times bodyweight, per leg, in under 0.15s
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Why is this still a topic
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Yep. Thats how you know its gonna be time to change the diapee in a minute.
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For toddlers yes…you do realise that things change as we get older…all toddlers can, but not all adults can squat as easily.
Give this a read… might be educational.
Ehh it could be, but there’s conflicting evidence. I’ll go argue against my own point above for the sake of argument.
Referencing Scientific Principles of Hypertrophy Training
Gonna end it here, but it’s all valid points. Yes, you can build muscle with lighter weights, but the juice simply isn’t worth the squeeze (unless you’re squeezing at >65% 1RM).
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Well I’m afraid that your medical training is not helping you much here…
First of all…did you watch the deadlift video? The guy presenting it is a surgeon, with medical qualifications that trump yours…so let’s not play that game.
Sprinters? Massive injury rates. Your examples are not good ones at all.
I’d rather avoid the water altogether than panic while in it and possibly drown…
What good is a “stronger” back that is injured. How strong would that be?
I’m not sure that you have got this right in your head.
Sorry but “toughening up” only works to a point after that you are flirting with danger.
So please give me an example that happened to you where an outside force has negatively affected you during a set.
Did someone attempt a double leg takedown on you during a squat set? We’re you kicked in the nether regions during a set of bench presses?
Control the chaos…train for it? You sound like you do Cr*ssfit. Don’t they train for the zombie apocalypse?.
Doctors are learning. No one has arrived. I never hurt myself deadlifting (in the gym). I hurt my back picking up a box of books when moving from one apartment to another in 1977. I could not squat or deadlift for about 10 years, trying to heal. Later in my 40’s I could deadlift plenty of weight and not get hurt. I do have good form and don’t lift enough to cause the weight to round my back. My training weight was 505lb for 2 sets of 10 reps. Once you live it, you don’t take much stock in what someone else has to say.
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Again, I didn’t say anything about it being easy. As we get older our shitty movement catches up with us. But injury and disease aside, everyone can squat. It’s not a “bad movement.” There’s really no such thing.
It wasn’t. Don’t squat if you don’t want to. But don’t act like because someone doesn’t want to squat they’re a victim of their bone structure. It reminds me of all the guys complaining about their long femurs a few years back.