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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Still not convinced? This is Greyson Gunheim of the Oakland Raiders…265lbs at 6’5".

Now is he weak looking? [/quote] His arms look like mine did when they were somewhat above 15 but less than 16 inches and in the same pose/relaxed (mine always looked better than most other people’s arms of the same size when doing a front double-bi or back double-bi, especially once I started focusing on my tris… But relaxed my arms looked puny as hell until I got to 17+)… I was maybe 170 lbs or so then. [quote] Hell no. But trust me, someone much shorter would need to weigh MUCH less to look like that. I was more filled out than that at 190lbs.

The bottom line is, the taller you are, the more weight it takes to get that “built” look…so no, 250lbs at 6’4" is not impressive to me in those terms. You would simply look like someone who works out. That isn’t what this section is supposed to be about.[/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Dude, I thought I specified good bodyfat % - as in < 10%. Posting some guys who fit the height and weight requirement but who are pretty soft around the edges hardly proves a point. It’s like the guy you posted a week or so ago (forgot his name) who is 6’2" and 176 pounds who looks big as hell. It’s going to vary from person to person.

So you are using someone who is a clear genetic freak to prove a point?

These guys are all pro athletes and I seriously doubt the guy the OP was talking about was much leaner than this. None of them are fat.

Once again, unless someone is damn near contest shape (which means well under 10% body fat), 250lbs on a 6’4" frame isn’t that damn big.

I’ll find more pictures.[/quote]

Lol, please don’t.

Just to specify, I never said it was huge. Just that it’s a big guy. In recreational bodybuilding terms, a big guy.

I’m starting to think this thread was epic…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
SkyNett wrote:
The funniest part is how this all turned into a geometry problem…

Hey, Lanky isn’t an idiot…but yes, the calculations used are what cause newbies to think the way they do. This is why they think their key to success is in how many spreadsheets they can create instead of whether those weights make them cry.[/quote]

Oh, I wasn’t implying that Lanky is an idiot - just that somehow the simple concepts always turn into something much more complex than they need to be…

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[quote]ampleforth wrote:
People should stop making linear references to body weight vs. height. People are not 2 dimensional. Consider this, a cylinder with twice the height and same proportions will weigh 4 times as much, not twice. Your weight increases exponentialy with height.[/quote]

Your thought experiments are not on par with Einstein yet I’m afraid

Weight=density volumegravity

volume of cylinder=heightpir^2

You said keep r the same and double the height…hmmm
seems to me that the weight would double.

Not agreeing or disagreeing with anybody on the thread…just had
to chime in on the math thing…

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
His arms look like mine did when they were somewhat above 15 but less than 16 inches and in the same pose/relaxed (mine always looked better than most other people’s arms of the same size when doing a front double-bi or back double-bi, especially once I started focusing on my tris… But relaxed my arms looked puny as hell until I got to 17+)… I was maybe 170 lbs or so then.

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Judging by some of the posts in this thread, all of these guys should look like the Juggernaut.

Mind you, many of these taller guys are the same ones weighing all of 180lbs acting like they don’t want to get too big. The truth is, someone that tall needs to be shooting for MORE than that if the goal is to actually look built.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Dude, I thought I specified good bodyfat % - as in < 10%. Posting some guys who fit the height and weight requirement but who are pretty soft around the edges hardly proves a point. It’s like the guy you posted a week or so ago (forgot his name) who is 6’2" and 176 pounds who looks big as hell. It’s going to vary from person to person.

So you are using someone who is a clear genetic freak to prove a point?

These guys are all pro athletes and I seriously doubt the guy the OP was talking about was much leaner than this. None of them are fat.

Once again, unless someone is damn near contest shape (which means well under 10% body fat), 250lbs on a 6’4" frame isn’t that damn big.

I’ll find more pictures.

Lol, please don’t.

Just to specify, I never said it was huge. Just that it’s a big guy. In recreational bodybuilding terms, a big guy.

I’m starting to think this thread was epic…[/quote]

Dude, most sedentary people consider “15” arms" to be “a big guy”. That doesn’t make it so.

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AAAHHHHH!!! AAAAAAHHHHH!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGG!!!

WTF!?

CAN YOU GUYS JUST GET THE PICTURE?, I suppose that “BIG” its a reference “seulement”, just a reference, not such a BIG GUY like in japanese anime, or a skinny such a famile cow, o kate moss (LOL)… Just big, well, not that big, but a little big… ehhh, kinda … sort offf… oh man, I just tied myself, LOL

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
His arms look like mine did when they were somewhat above 15 but less than 16 inches and in the same pose/relaxed (mine always looked better than most other people’s arms of the same size when doing a front double-bi or back double-bi, especially once I started focusing on my tris… But relaxed my arms looked puny as hell until I got to 17+)… I was maybe 170 lbs or so then.

Judging by some of the posts in this thread, all of these guys should look like the Juggernaut.

Mind you, many of these taller guys are the same ones weighing all of 180lbs acting like they don’t want to get too big. The truth is, someone that tall needs to be shooting for MORE than that if the goal is to actually look built.[/quote]

Whoa, insult me all you want, but categorize me with those douchebags again and we’re no longer on speaking terms.

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[quote]pja wrote:
ampleforth wrote:
People should stop making linear references to body weight vs. height. People are not 2 dimensional. Consider this, a cylinder with twice the height and same proportions will weigh 4 times as much, not twice. Your weight increases exponentialy with height.

Your thought experiments are not on par with Einstein yet I’m afraid

Weight=density volumegravity

volume of cylinder=heightpir^2

You said keep r the same and double the height…hmmm
seems to me that the weight would double.

Not agreeing or disagreeing with anybody on the thread…just had
to chime in on the math thing…[/quote]

He didn’t say the radius was the same. He said keeping proportions the same. So r would increase as height increased.

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Not this big, thats for sure…

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That seems to be some silly fad these days - photoshopping bodybuilders into unreal, stupid looking proportions…

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
His arms look like mine did when they were somewhat above 15 but less than 16 inches and in the same pose/relaxed (mine always looked better than most other people’s arms of the same size when doing a front double-bi or back double-bi, especially once I started focusing on my tris… But relaxed my arms looked puny as hell until I got to 17+)… I was maybe 170 lbs or so then.

Judging by some of the posts in this thread, all of these guys should look like the Juggernaut.

Mind you, many of these taller guys are the same ones weighing all of 180lbs acting like they don’t want to get too big. The truth is, someone that tall needs to be shooting for MORE than that if the goal is to actually look built.

Whoa, insult me all you want, but categorize me with those douchebags again and we’re no longer on speaking terms.
[/quote]

Hey, you’re in the T-Cell for a reason…plus pictures always speak louder than spreadsheets.

You can win the battle next time.

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[quote]ctschneider wrote:
ampleforth wrote:
People should stop making linear references to body weight vs. height. People are not 2 dimensional. Consider this, a cylinder with twice the height and same proportions will weigh 4 times as much, not twice. Your weight increases exponentialy with height.

To get all nitpicky on you, it doesn’t increase exponentially - it increases geometrically. I believe that an individual’s weight (or at least volume, and weight should be proportional to volume) should be roughly proportional to the cube of that individual’s height.

By means of justification: if a person were 20% taller than another person, in order to be proportioned similarly, the first person would also have to be 20% wider and 20% thicker than the second person. So the first person would have to be (1.2)^3 (or 78% larger) than the second person.

So if two individuals are proportionally as “big” as each other, we can say:

w1 / h1^3 = w2 /h2^3

or solving for the weight of individual # 1:

w1 = ((h1/h2) * (w2)^(1/3)) ^ 3

By this formula a 6’4" 250lbs guy is the same as 5’9" 187lbs guy or a 6’0" 210lbs guy. You’ll note that this translates pretty close to 10lbs per inch, when dealing with people of near average height.

So 6’5" 250lbs guy isn’t exactly huge, though he’s proportionally bigger than I am. However, I’ve have to admit I’m pretty small (right now), but I’m hoping to change that.

Sorry for the hijack.

[/quote]

This was a good post. Don’t apologize.

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already know that… but that was just for fun, LOL.
this thread lose his original path…

…WHY SO SERIOUS?

So, we have a guy who is big, but not that big, but Lanky think that he is big, but big compared with who? who knows, and who cares, but he can’t be as big as King kong, cause he just can’t be that big, but is big enough to be considered big, but how big is big? surely he’s not skinny but, he can be for sure not normal type, … ssoooo here we go…

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[quote]Murasame wrote:
already know that… but that was just for fun, LOL.
this thread lose his original path…

…WHY SO SERIOUS?

So, we have a guy who is big, but not that big, but Lanky think that he is big, but big compared with who? who knows, and who cares, but he can’t be as big as King kong, cause he just can’t be that big, but is big enough to be considered big, but how big is big? surely he’s not skinny but, he can be for sure not normal type, … ssoooo here we go…[/quote]

What the hell are you talking about?

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Murasame wrote:
already know that… but that was just for fun, LOL.
this thread lose his original path…

…WHY SO SERIOUS?

So, we have a guy who is big, but not that big, but Lanky think that he is big, but big compared with who? who knows, and who cares, but he can’t be as big as King kong, cause he just can’t be that big, but is big enough to be considered big, but how big is big? surely he’s not skinny but, he can be for sure not normal type, … ssoooo here we go…

What the hell are you talking about?[/quote]

I’ll try and translate. Here are the cliff notes for this thread:

OP: This guy bigger than me told me to lift lighter to get ripped. That proves not all big guys know everything and people should take advice with a grain of salt. By the way, the guy was approx 6’5" and 250 lbs.

X: He’s not big. And therefore your theory is wrong

Lanky: Yeah, he’s pretty big. I did some math and figured out that he weighs about 3 lbs per inch or something like that. I’m an accountant so I know how to add and subtract.

X: No, he’s not big. Here are some pictures of guys with the same height and weight. See? They’re not body builder big.

Lanky: Yes, they are big.

X: No, they’re not.

Lanky: Yeah huh.

X: Nuh uh.

Lanky: Yeah HUH!

X: NUH UH!!!

(Did I miss anything important?)

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[quote]ignignokt wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Murasame wrote:
already know that… but that was just for fun, LOL.
this thread lose his original path…

…WHY SO SERIOUS?

So, we have a guy who is big, but not that big, but Lanky think that he is big, but big compared with who? who knows, and who cares, but he can’t be as big as King kong, cause he just can’t be that big, but is big enough to be considered big, but how big is big? surely he’s not skinny but, he can be for sure not normal type, … ssoooo here we go…

What the hell are you talking about?

I’ll try and translate. Here are the cliff notes for this thread:

OP: This guy bigger than me told me to lift lighter to get ripped. That proves not all big guys know everything and people should take advice with a grain of salt. By the way, the guy was approx 6’5" and 250 lbs.

X: He’s not big. And therefore your theory is wrong

Lanky: Yeah, he’s pretty big. I did some math and figured out that he weighs about 3 lbs per inch or something like that. I’m an accountant so I know how to add and subtract.

X: No, he’s not big. Here are some pictures of guys with the same height and weight. See? They’re not body builder big.

Lanky: Yes, they are big.

X: No, they’re not.

Lanky: Yeah huh.

X: Nuh uh.

Lanky: Yeah HUH!

X: NUH UH!!!

(Did I miss anything important?)[/quote]

Lol, besides completely misconstruing my argument, no you did not miss anything.

I really need to learn how to communicate better through the written word…

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
ignignokt wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Murasame wrote:
already know that… but that was just for fun, LOL.
this thread lose his original path…

…WHY SO SERIOUS?

So, we have a guy who is big, but not that big, but Lanky think that he is big, but big compared with who? who knows, and who cares, but he can’t be as big as King kong, cause he just can’t be that big, but is big enough to be considered big, but how big is big? surely he’s not skinny but, he can be for sure not normal type, … ssoooo here we go…

What the hell are you talking about?

I’ll try and translate. Here are the cliff notes for this thread:

OP: This guy bigger than me told me to lift lighter to get ripped. That proves not all big guys know everything and people should take advice with a grain of salt. By the way, the guy was approx 6’5" and 250 lbs.

X: He’s not big. And therefore your theory is wrong

Lanky: Yeah, he’s pretty big. I did some math and figured out that he weighs about 3 lbs per inch or something like that. I’m an accountant so I know how to add and subtract.

X: No, he’s not big. Here are some pictures of guys with the same height and weight. See? They’re not body builder big.

Lanky: Yes, they are big.

X: No, they’re not.

Lanky: Yeah huh.

X: Nuh uh.

Lanky: Yeah HUH!

X: NUH UH!!!

(Did I miss anything important?)

Lol, besides completely misconstruing my argument, no you did not miss anything.

I really need to learn how to communicate better through the written word…[/quote]

lol… I kid, I kid.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
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Hell, Holymac looks more filled out than this and he isn’t in the NFL.[/quote]

you don’t know that…

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I HATE people with red hair. Period.