[quote]ConorM wrote:
Holy shit SquatDr what height are you? If your 6 foot you are nearly headbutting the rim. Thats insane.
Also I assume by your chosen nickname you are good at squatting. Numbers? What sort of height were you jumping untrained, ie how much of a part did genetics play? Just gobsmacked…[/quote]
i’m 5-9. 740 squat. vert was ok, above average but nothing great before training. its been a goal of mine to dunk since i was a little kid and trained my ass off until i could. i am sure that genetics played a role, but anybody who has worked out with me has a good-great vert.
hope that answers your q’s. PM me if you have any others, otherwise this thread will get boring quick with my stats and what not, lol.
squatDR
My best standing measured vertical wa 36". I am 6-5 and hit the top of my head on the bottom of the rim several times while blocking shots and pinning layups against the board which means I was 43" off the ground. I was almost always a 2 foot jumper and was able to get a lot more explosion that way. Dunking off of one foot was tough for me, though I could take off from about 18" inside the free throw line and put it down off of one foot. I never did any specific exercises to increase my vertical besides a lot of jumping while playing.
Yeah, I used to be a one footed jumper but I stopped jumping that way and focused on two footed jumping and after a while, I can barely nip the rim off 1 foot as opposed to EASILY missing dunks before off 1… I guess one footed jumping needs more practice and repetition than two footed jumping. (At least for me…)
[quote]Airness wrote:
Yeah, I used to be a one footed jumper but I stopped jumping that way and focused on two footed jumping and after a while, I can barely nip the rim off 1 foot as opposed to EASILY missing dunks before off 1… I guess one footed jumping needs more practice and repetition than two footed jumping. (At least for me…)[/quote]
i dont know if you feel this way, but i always feel less stable when i jump off one leg in a game. each time i do it i feel as if i have less control over my body and that somebody will take me out. for this reason i prefer jumping off of two legs even though i am a pretty good jumping off one leg.
Yeah, I do feel less stable but mostly on lay ups, I jump off one foot because I kinda jump forward and then rise up a bit, to create more space from the opponent but if it’s a fast break or the guy is a good shot blocker, I tend to jump off two feet and lean on him to hold him off from altering my shot or blocking it.
I agree about the whole jumping off the one leg thing…when I was lighter my one legged jump was pretty high and I relied more on it than my two legged jump…now that I’ve gained some mass and also because I badly sprained my left ankle I haven’t jumped off one leg in a while…even when just driving in the lane whereas before I would jump off one leg for the layup/shot, I now primarily find myself doing a jump stop off two…
Has anyone tried INNO-Sport’s techniques to increase vertical jump? They seem to contradict Kelly Baggett by saying that if you train strength and speed in the same session your nervous system doesn?t know if it should adapt to the speed stimulus or to the strength stimulus. Maybe I am misunderstanding? Any thoughts on this?
[quote]tajam wrote:
Has anyone tried INNO-Sport’s techniques to increase vertical jump? They seem to contradict Kelly Baggett by saying that if you train strength and speed in the same session your nervous system doesn?t know if it should adapt to the speed stimulus or to the strength stimulus. Maybe I am misunderstanding? Any thoughts on this?[/quote]
That’s interesting & I would like to know more about that.
I’m a two foot jumper most of the time, layups I do a one foot. But when I try jumping off one leg for height it just puts too much stress on my left knee, it hurts like a bitch.
I have the exact same problem with knee pain when jumping off of one foot for height. I found that the more i stretched my quads the less pain i would have in my left knee, I believe due to the fact that my quads were tight and the muscle was pulling on the tendon when i jumped and landed.
I have the exact same problem with knee pain when jumping off of one foot for height. I found that the more i stretched my quads the less pain i would have in my left knee, I believe due to the fact that my quads were tight and the muscle was pulling on the tendon when i jumped and landed. [/quote]
I actually stopped my stretching for quite some time. I would warm up really well with the dot drill or jumprope along with some dynamic movenmets, but would be so drained from my hard ass workouts & bball that I neglected all stretching afterwards.
I’m now stretching HARD once again due to my low back going out which was partly due to my last of flexability & some other issues.
Tks. It’s all this little stuff that truly adds up over time.
Okay, good news guys. Been working my vert back up with weights. I’m now dunking again. Yipee lol. I dunked a real ball on the 10’2" hoop at school today. Did a 180 reverse one hander with a volleyball. Hopefully I can get pictures soon.
[quote]tajam wrote:
Has anyone tried INNO-Sport’s techniques to increase vertical jump? They seem to contradict Kelly Baggett by saying that if you train strength and speed in the same session your nervous system doesn?t know if it should adapt to the speed stimulus or to the strength stimulus. Maybe I am misunderstanding? Any thoughts on this?[/quote]
Since when is KB a proponent of training speed and strength in the same session?
do you play basketball? if so i hope youre not just worried about dunking…which you seem to devote all of your time to…or its gonna be a rude awakening when the season comes around…
Baggette’s program in this particular article involves one limit strength, one explosive strength, and one reactive strength exercise in each workout. Maybe im misunderstanding but it seems like he trains speed and strength movements both during the same session. If i am misunderstanding please set me strait.
Baggette’s program in this particular article involves one limit strength, one explosive strength, and one reactive strength exercise in each workout. Maybe im misunderstanding but it seems like he trains speed and strength movements both during the same session. If i am misunderstanding please set me strait. [/quote]
Possibly you might be training strength and speed in the same session there, but the thing is not to cross the “MAG barrier” in the same training session. Meaning you could do heavy squats + plyos or heavy squats + sprint starts, but you wouldn’t do heavy squats + 10m flys (top speed sprinting) or heavy squats + line hops, etc.
Of course, if you DO combine them, it’s not like it’s going to give you terrible results, especially for lower qualified athletes who might even be BETTER off training all qualities in the same session.