In most circles, it`s just not accepted as a “good” thing, that someone is using steroids, especially now that pro sports are opening the can of worms to the public, even if you are not a professional athlete, you will still be viewed as a " cheater" of some sort. So it is best to keep it under wraps, except maybe when you are amongst “educated” people.
[quote]trojanman wrote:
edgecrusher wrote:
It’s funny, at my gym there are guys who’ve juiced/are juicing, admit it freely (sometimes), and get just as much respect as any strong or well built natural lifter. It’s the kids who lie about it and think they’re fooling people that lose respect and get made fun of.
well who gives them respect? who doesnt? every situation is different i will give almost anyone in a gym who is working hard and doesnt just lift for beach muscles respect. others are different. [/quote]
Congratulations! You’ve been selected to be the poster boy for the “kids who lie about it(AAS use) and think they’re fooling people.”
[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
People could at least be honest about it. If you are going to juice, juice, but don’t lie and say that your prodigous lifts are “natural.”
Why are so many juicers so full of shit? From Barry Bonds to the gym rats, they shoot shit in their asses and claim to be “natural.”
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Guys denying roid use are not full of shit. They are using their brain to avoid legal problems. If one admitted to you that he was using roids, you would probably tell everyone in the gym. Because you are bitter about something. If a juicer is stupid enough to admit it to you then you can say his brain must be full of shit.
I used to be against those that lied about juicing. But, after thinking about it, I probably won’t tell anyone (that I hardly know) that I’m juicing either (when the time comes).
You know why? It’s about as bad as someone saying they are a cocaine user. You don’t know who is a snitch and who you can trust. Openly admitting to someone you hardly know that you are a juicer probably wouldn’t be the smartest thing to do.
Stating something like, “I do use supplementation of certain products” would be about as much as I would say.
Even though I’m small and weak, I’ve already been asked about it at work. I say “creatine”. If I go on gear, I’m gonna say “a lot of creatine”. And “tribulus”.
why bother telling? all you get is the obligatory “i could be that big if i juiced” or “i could lift just as much if i gassed up” or “you don’t need that shit” or “you’re going to fuck yourself up” etc etc etc etc etc…rather not deal with the ignorance of the masses. my body, my choice, my business and no one else’s.
[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
Lots of juicers at gyms lie about doing steroids and try to claim that they are “natural.” Then if you get to know them really well, they will admit to “doing a cycle once.” Next comes the admission that they did more than one cycle.
Then after awhile, someone who knows them really well tells you what you knew all along: that they are juicers and have been doing so for many years.
Has anyone else had similar experiences or is it just a freak occurence?
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Would it be any different if you asked someone if they smoked chronic? They would probably first deny it, and then if you got to know them, they might eventually admit it to you, and I don’t think you’d be posting how you were hurt by them, because with roids it is about jealousy. If your personal goals are to achieve a level of physical development “naturally” then the roid users don’t have anything you personally want anyway.
Anyway, you shouldn’t expect someone who is willing to break the law to not tell a little lie to a relative stranger. Breaking the law can put you in jail, while I do not believe there is any legal penalty for lying to a stranger-except possibly in some sounthern states.
Thats just it fellas. As long as it stays in the closet it will always be in there. The only thing that would open people eyes would be for the entire NFL and MLB to admit use then have a team of leading physicians back up how beneficial their usage is.
Well as thats happening I’m going to get a blowjob from Jessica Simpson.
Maybe one day.
I have done a cycle once and have admitted it on this board when asked and also in the gym. I had an adverse reaction so in my case it will be a one and done although I am still tempted to try again.
I know people at my gym think I juice but I think thats just fucking jealousy so I try not to let that bother me. They dont say shit to my face anyway and the hardcore clique whose opinions I do value know I have paid my fucking dues and my mass comes from balls to the walls training and hardcore eating.
With that said, when my clients ask me, I never even admit to the one cycle. Generally speaking the majority of my clients dont understand it and I do not feel like explaining it or defending it. There is so much negativity associated with it that I choose not to admit to the cycle I did to prevent any unncessary headaches and a possible negative affect on my business.
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[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
Lots of juicers at gyms lie about doing steroids and try to claim that they are “natural.” Then if you get to know them really well, they will admit to “doing a cycle once.” Next comes the admission that they did more than one cycle.
Then after awhile, someone who knows them really well tells you what you knew all along: that they are juicers and have been doing so for many years.
Has anyone else had similar experiences or is it just a freak occurence?
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I havent juiced. I won’t lie and say that I havent considered it, or that I will not. I just have not as of right now.
When I was bulking hardcore, and lifting hardcore, people would come up to me and ask me what steroids I was taking to get so big, and it sincerely pissed me off. Not only that they thought I was, but that people would be so disrespectful just to walk up to me and ask like that…
Working in and around gyms, there are going to be a lot of juicers and non juicers, when someone I know wants or feels the need to tell me that they are juicing, the info stays with me and thats that. I’m fairly certain that a few of my coworkers are juicing, but I would never ask them, nor tell their clients or management that I thought it. It could lose them their clientele, ability to make a living, and perhaps even their freedom if I blab to the wrong person. Can you blame someone for keeping something private, private? Would you walk up to a guy you barely know and ask him if his wife swallows?
[quote]E-man wrote:
Well as thats happening I’m going to get a blowjob from Jessica Simpson.
Maybe one day.[/quote]
Id want a three way blowjob, Jessica Simpson, her sister and Jessica Alba. Since you’re dreaming you may as well dream big. =D
I dont’ give a fuck if you lie to Joe Schmo.
It only pisses me off when these fuckers enter natural and drug tested events having juiced and claim to be natural.
That IS cheating.
I don’t care if you use recreationally, saying it’s cheating when they’re not competing is retarded.
If you wanna juice go to the places where they there’s a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy in the federation.
My 2cc.
If the time ever came where I decided to cycle, I probably wouldn’t spread it around either, except to informed people I knew. As has been stated, the average person knows jack shit, and a little knowledge is far more trouble than no knowledge. People barely know anything about exercise, let alone steroids.
Sounds like a bit of bitterness to me…why the fuck should anyone tell you shit? Right now I’m 215 and some retards think I’ve done steroids even though I haven’t, yet.
When I started lifting at 15 I told myself I’d wait until I was 27(I read an article about how your testosterone production peaks at 26, so it is a fairly arbitrary number, what the hell) and my 27th birthday is in October. Whether I choose to juice or not is my option, and I feel no obligation to let some dipshit in the gym know about it.
The negative connotations associated with steroids are ridiculous and asinine. A lot of the weak individuals in the gym use it to rationalize their own lack of progress, fuck them. Society has created this black cloud surrounding steroid use that makes it almost impossible to hold a rational conversation about steroid use with the average individual that it really isn’t worth the headache because, like religion and politics, it is next to impossible to change someone’s opinion on the subject.
Julius, you have proved in other threads that you are a troll, I now also picture you as the sneaky skinny nosey twat who is always asking questions about who does what in the gym, and who one day will probably get knocked the fucked out by a 250 lb natural BB who doesn’t appreciate you asking around if he juices or not.
The sick thing is something like 50% of all guys in the gym are on juice. The depressing thing (for them) is that only 10% actually look like they are on gas.
Me personally if someone I know and like asks, I’ll be open about it.
If someone I don’t know or don’t like asks, it is none of their business what I do, and they can just fuck off for asking a stupid question like that.
I’m juicing, but thanks to TC’s latest masterpiece … all grapefruit … all the time.
Its like when everyone is in the 6th grade and masturbating is brought up. no one in their right mind is going to admit they jack off! If you know them well it would be different, you might be saying “yeah I have this movie i always nut to , what movies do you have, can i borrow that movie” you wouldn’t admit this to others even though you do it and suspect others of doing it.
Nah, everyone on the juice wears a T-shirt clearly stating their cycle.