Judging Yourself and Sarah Palin

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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The Daily Kos went far below sub-zero on credibility when in 2004 they continued for weeks trying to argue that Dan Rather’s obviously-forged “Texas National Guard documents” were legit, despite the thoroughly proven fact that these supposed 1970’s-era typewriter-written documents were absolutely dead-identically printed to Microsoft Word laser printed documents. Exact same proportional spacing, kerning, etc.

Yet they continued to argue for them being real. Why? Intellectual honesty? Of course not. Because they were determined and I suppose to this day remain determined to say WHATEVER they think will advance their agenda with complete disregard for whether it is so.

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where do I mention the dailykos? I tend to disregard most of what they say and go looking at other sources.

She did say the welcoming message for the AIP convention, there is a video for it. How much support she holds for them is still questionable.

And for something a little more entertaining…McCain’s voicemail to Palin:

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

Yes, that’ll be great. She’ll walk up and down the aisles asking the House of Representatives if they want a hot towel or a fresh drink, and Nancy Pelosi will be king shit of fuck mountain.

If I was a conservative, I’d be scared. Poor bastards.

Irish, I get that you are a proud woman-insulter, but doesn’t it defeat the purpose for you to bash a female vice-presidential candidate when she’s actually more manly than your presidential candidate?

Palin hunts moose. Obama Tivos “The View”.

If I were you - with the most effete candidate in a generation as the Democratic nominee - I’d keep the sexist guns in their holsters.

There’s a word for women in NJ who hunt moose. Normally they play softball and are firefighters too. We call them, “bull dykes.” No thanks.

It should surprise no one that I like Nancy Pelosi, so I wouldn’t really mind said scenario. Not that she’s that she’s good looking, or not a dyke, but at least she’s a Democratic woman, and not Hillary Clinton.

And besides, having our manly man President who builds fences and weightlifts has put us in quite a quandry in the world. If that’s what we get for having a President who puts off the image of “manliness” (even though he never did a day of hard labor in his life), then you fellas can have that too.

I ain’t voting for who I want to get drunk with, I’m voting for President. And I’ll take an educated Obama who watches The View over anyone out there right now.[/quote]

Women in NJ couldn’t get dressed in the morning without electricity. Hardly the type to be admired.

The Dems have a coastal strategy. All those states in the middle matter too. Obama doesn’t realize it yet but the Palin pick solidified the West and South for McCain.

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I um,uh, think that I um, uh have gained uh the necessary experience to uh, um, deal with, uh, foreign policy issues, because uh, um, I have spent some time as a kid living uh, um overseas.

I uh, am Barack Obama and I um,uh, approve this uh, um, message.

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[quote]bald eagle wrote:
I um,uh, think that I um, uh have gained uh the necessary experience to uh, um, deal with, uh, foreign policy issues, because uh, um, I have spent some time as a kid living uh, um overseas.

I uh, am Barack Obama and I um,uh, approve this uh, um, message.[/quote]

Obama’s foreign policy experience is not limited to his time spent abroad as a child. Obama serves on three of the four Senate Committees dealing with foreign policy issues. He is the chair of Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Relations.

Obama has also traveled extensively in his capacity as a member of the Foreign Relations Committee and has visited Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan in Asia; Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, etc…

Obama has also co-sponsored the “Lugar-Obama Act” with Republican Senator Richard Lugar who was Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Relations at the time. This act was a bi-partisan effort to increase U.S. security in terms of the elimination of conventional weapons and weapons of mass destruction.

He co-sponsored immigration related bills related to his service on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee including the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act. His foreign policy experience is extensive. He has traveled abroad in the performance of his official duties as a member of committees dealing with foreign relation issues.

The argument that executive experience as a governor prepares a person to be president better than service as a Senator may have some water.

But the assertion that Obama’s participation has not prepared him in this aspect because he has not made unilateral decisions is ludicrous. And predicated on ignorance and a lack of understanding on what actually goes on in the Senate.

There’s MANY things I dislike about Obama. But I hate, absolutely DETEST, blind partisian politics that makes people ignore all evidence and fail to exercise a modicum of common sense. Criticize his judgment, his policies, his flowery rhetoric.

There’s plenty to criticize. Like the fact that his extensive foreign policy experience and interaction with the international community seems to have nonetheless left him shockingly dim (ie. making statements like Iran and North Korea pose no threat and are no cause for concern). But please be realistic, here.

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[quote]Ren wrote:
where do I mention the dailykos? I tend to disregard most of what they say and go looking at other sources.

She did say the welcoming message for the AIP convention, there is a video for it. How much support she holds for them is still questionable.

And for something a little more entertaining…McCain’s voicemail to Palin:

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Well, if you don’t read the Kos, you are getting your talking points from a source that does.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:

Obama serves on three of the four Senate Committees dealing with foreign policy issues.

So you think serving for 143 days on such a committee qualifies this guy to be President of the United States?

Do you realize that he’s been running for President for 19 months?

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Yes. Extensive foreign travel in service of his official duties on these committees, research and debate, and co-sponsoring of important bills is reasonable experience. True, I’d like to see more. But in fact he has much more foreign policy experience than many elected presdients, including Bill Clinton and Ronald Regan.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
And while I’m on the topic, why is it that Sarah Palin gets ridiculed by the press over the past few days for her lack of experience and Obama has gotten a free ride over the past 19 months on his lack of experience?

And keep in mind he’s also the most liberal candidate to ever run for the Presidency…None in the main stream media have picked up on this either.

Liberal media strikes again.[/quote]

You are blinded by your partisianship. Obama’s received plenty of criticism for his expereince, or lack thereof. Both on foreign policy and other issues. Palin’s own lack of experience is rightly being called into question.

The only thing that bothers me is comparison to Obama. While I think the VP should be experienced in their own right, making direct comparisons to one running for president is comparing apples and oranges.

As I’ve said before, the issue is whether McCain made the best choice for the country in picking her as his running mate. And to the extent comparisons are appropriate, they should be to Biden.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Obama’s foreign policy experience is not limited to his time spent abroad as a child. Obama serves on three of the four Senate Committees dealing with foreign policy issues. He is the chair of Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Relations.

Obama has also traveled extensively in his capacity as a member of the Foreign Relations Committee and has visited Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan in Asia; Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, etc…

Obama has also co-sponsored the “Lugar-Obama Act” with Republican Senator Richard Lugar who was Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Relations at the time. This act was a bi-partisan effort to increase U.S. security in terms of the elimination of conventional weapons and weapons of mass destruction.

He co-sponsored immigration related bills related to his service on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee including the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act. His foreign policy experience is extensive. He has traveled abroad in the performance of his official duties as a member of committees dealing with foreign relation issues.

The argument that executive experience as a governor prepares a person to be president better than service as a Senator may have some water.

But the assertion that Obama’s participation has not prepared him in this aspect because he has not made unilateral decisions is ludicrous. And predicated on ignorance and a lack of understanding on what actually goes on in the Senate.

There’s MANY things I dislike about Obama. But I hate, absolutely DETEST, blind partisian politics that makes people ignore all evidence and fail to exercise a modicum of common sense. Criticize his judgment, his policies, his flowery rhetoric.

There’s plenty to criticize. Like the fact that his extensive foreign policy experience and interaction with the international community seems to have nonetheless left him shockingly dim (ie. making statements like Iran and North Korea pose no threat and are no cause for concern). But please be realistic, here. [/quote]

Being realistic, you would have to admit you went a little overboard in trying to make Barry look like something he isn’t.

Compare him with McCain’s foreign policy experience. Well, you can’t because there is no comparison.

The subcommittee he chairs has never convened under his chairmanship. How does that contribute to his “extensive” experience?

And just for shits and giggles, if Baryy has "extensive’ foreign policy experience, what would you call McCain’s experience in the same field?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Obama’s foreign policy experience is not limited to his time spent abroad as a child. Obama serves on three of the four Senate Committees dealing with foreign policy issues. He is the chair of Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Relations.

Obama has also traveled extensively in his capacity as a member of the Foreign Relations Committee and has visited Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan in Asia; Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, etc…

Obama has also co-sponsored the “Lugar-Obama Act” with Republican Senator Richard Lugar who was Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Relations at the time. This act was a bi-partisan effort to increase U.S. security in terms of the elimination of conventional weapons and weapons of mass destruction.

He co-sponsored immigration related bills related to his service on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee including the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act. His foreign policy experience is extensive. He has traveled abroad in the performance of his official duties as a member of committees dealing with foreign relation issues.

The argument that executive experience as a governor prepares a person to be president better than service as a Senator may have some water.

But the assertion that Obama’s participation has not prepared him in this aspect because he has not made unilateral decisions is ludicrous. And predicated on ignorance and a lack of understanding on what actually goes on in the Senate.

There’s MANY things I dislike about Obama. But I hate, absolutely DETEST, blind partisian politics that makes people ignore all evidence and fail to exercise a modicum of common sense. Criticize his judgment, his policies, his flowery rhetoric.

There’s plenty to criticize. Like the fact that his extensive foreign policy experience and interaction with the international community seems to have nonetheless left him shockingly dim (ie. making statements like Iran and North Korea pose no threat and are no cause for concern). But please be realistic, here.

Being realistic, you would have to admit you went a little overboard in trying to make Barry look like something he isn’t.

Compare him with McCain’s foreign policy experience. Well, you can’t because there is no comparison.

The subcommittee he chairs has never convened under his chairmanship. How does that contribute to his “extensive” experience?

And just for shits and giggles, if Baryy has "extensive’ foreign policy experience, what would you call McCain’s experience in the same field?
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McCain is more experienced. I’m not arguing otherwise.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

There’s a word for women in NJ who hunt moose. Normally they play softball and are firefighters too. We call them, “bull dykes.” No thanks.

It should surprise no one that I like Nancy Pelosi, so I wouldn’t really mind said scenario. Not that she’s that she’s good looking, or not a dyke, but at least she’s a Democratic woman, and not Hillary Clinton.

And besides, having our manly man President who builds fences and weightlifts has put us in quite a quandry in the world. If that’s what we get for having a President who puts off the image of “manliness” (even though he never did a day of hard labor in his life), then you fellas can have that too.

I ain’t voting for who I want to get drunk with, I’m voting for President. And I’ll take an educated Obama who watches The View over anyone out there right now.

You’re making no sense - you are attacking a female candidate on the basis her femininity automatically disqualifies her from leadership (only good as a “stewardess”, apparently), and then whining that “masculine qualities” got us in trouble, so we need some “femininity” to correct the machismo.

Let’s see - “femininity” bad, except when “femininity” good.

I suppose coherence is too much to ask.[/quote]

Unless it is Hillary and then its ok to have a set of big hair balls; and she shows her sensitive side by crying when she gets kicked in them!

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I know I’m late to this party…but there are people whose choice for president was teetering on who the vice-president might be?

I can’t speak for everybody, but picking a real conservative as a running mate convinced me to vote FOR McCain instead of AGAINST Obama.

I was going to vote for McCain regardless, but the only real reason was to do what I could to keep the looming Supreme Court appointments out of Barry’s hands.

Now with Palin in the picture, it seems as though McCain actually gives a shit about the right wing. If he does die in office, we’d still have a far more capable president in Palin than we would ever have with Obama.
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x2 (spot on as usual, RJ)

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[quote]bald eagle wrote:
I um,uh, think that I um, uh have gained uh the necessary experience to uh, um, deal with, uh, foreign policy issues, because uh, um, I have spent some time as a kid living uh, um overseas.

I uh, am Barack Obama and I um,uh, approve this uh, um, message.[/quote]

You’ve got that peckerwood nailed! Damn, I could almost hear his voice!! Good post!!

McCain spent his time overseas being beaten and tortured. Would love for Barry ‘duck-the-debates’ Obama to bring up HIS overseas experiences.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
bald eagle wrote:
I um,uh, think that I um, uh have gained uh the necessary experience to uh, um, deal with, uh, foreign policy issues, because uh, um, I have spent some time as a kid living uh, um overseas.

I uh, am Barack Obama and I um,uh, approve this uh, um, message.

You’ve got that peckerwood nailed! Damn, I could almost hear his voice!! Good post!!

McCain spent his time overseas being beaten and tortured. Would love for Barry ‘duck-the-debates’ Obama to bring up HIS overseas experiences.

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“peckerwood??” LOL…now that’s funnier than his post.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
bald eagle wrote:
I um,uh, think that I um, uh have gained uh the necessary experience to uh, um, deal with, uh, foreign policy issues, because uh, um, I have spent some time as a kid living uh, um overseas.

I uh, am Barack Obama and I um,uh, approve this uh, um, message.

You’ve got that peckerwood nailed! Damn, I could almost hear his voice!! Good post!!

McCain spent his time overseas being beaten and tortured. Would love for Barry ‘duck-the-debates’ Obama to bring up HIS overseas experiences.

“peckerwood??” LOL…now that’s funnier than his post.[/quote]

Heh, I was wondering the same…Peckerwood?

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Interesting Questionnaire to which Palin responded when running for Governor. It’s been recently removed but got cached by Google: http://tinyurl.com/55hvu6

I like her response about the Pledge of Allegiance. She says that leaving in “under God” was good enough for the Founding Fathers, so it is good enough for her. Hello Palin, the Pledge of Allegiance wasn’t written until 1892 (don’t think any of the Founding Fathers were around then).
The original Pledge of Allegiance did not even contain the words “under God”. What’s more, it was written by a socialist…booga, booga. That’s right, Headhunter, the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a proxy of the Illuminati who, as every reader of David Icke knows, want ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

So, she’s not a towering intellect, but that should appeal to the waves of Republican philistines. I predict she will receive broad acclaim this evening at the convention.

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[quote]entheogens wrote:
Interesting Questionnaire to which Palin responded when running for Governor. It’s been recently removed but got cached by Google: http://tinyurl.com/55hvu6

I like her response about the Pledge of Allegiance. She says that leaving in “under God” was good enough for the Founding Fathers, so it is good enough for her. Hello Palin, the Pledge of Allegiance wasn’t written until 1892 (don’t think any of the Founding Fathers were around then).
The original Pledge of Allegiance did not even contain the words “under God”. What’s more, it was written by a socialist…booga, booga. That’s right, Headhunter, the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a proxy of the Illuminati who, as every reader of David Icke knows, want ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

So, she’s not a towering intellect, but that should appeal to the waves of Republican philistines. I predict she will receive broad acclaim this evening at the convention.[/quote]

Is that the best you have? My God, you guys are going to have a rough 2 months trying to rally the troops around that.