Jordan Peter Training Principles Review

Rest pause is such a perfect teacher of failure.

Do as many as you can.

Oh, you can’t do any more? Well do more anyways.

Now do it again.

Watching reps performed drop from like 20 down to 5 in a matter of a minute or two is quite humbling. But not so humbling as when you realize you have to add at least one rep next time you train.

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Is JP Full Body supposed to be done to failure?

Or do you just keep solid technique and do 1 more rep/5 more pounds than last time?

Every session the set is taken to failure.

-Log weight and reps
-Next session progress by either adding weight, reps or both.

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I haven’t read it in a while but i think its technical failure not failure failure (if that makes sense).

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@Andrewgen_Receptors and @rugby_lifting how long do these JP sessions take in the gym including warm ups?

Depends which training split you do. For me, i got 45-1hr 15min on PPL but Full Body typically took 90-120mins, machine availability pending.

I like it overall, big fan of form or technical failure vs the grinding total muscular failure most people associate going “to failure” with.

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Johnny-Come-Lately Here: I see specific exercises for chest, back, and delts. And then, it says “Biceps Work” and “Triceps Work” (same thing for Calves). Are the arms done differently?
P.S. The idea of 10% for the dropoff set is off. If, after an all-out set of 6-9 reps, you rest and then only drop the weight 10%, you will wind up with about the same number of reps as the 1st set — maybe even less. I would drop the weight 20-25% for that 2nd set. Caveat: I am only resting 1 minute for most exercises, except probably squats or deads…

If you’re training for +1s on every exercise every session, 1 minute rest isn’t ideal (it isn’t ideal for this style of training at all really - it’s almost like adding a super long res-pause or trying to increase density on a low volume program). Resting for 3-5 minutes will allow you to hit a slightly higher rep range most of the time.

…or maybe my assumption of JP principles has been wrong all this time.

No, you are correct. He alludes to this in his training videos…Not explicitly, but he and his wife are shown taking long rest breaks. With my time and my schedule – and frankly my ants-in-the-pants manner – 3-5 min rests just are not going to happen. I realize the strength gains will be somewhat (to greatly) reduced.
I’ve spent 20+ years resting 15-30 secs between sets of an exercise. 1 min is practically a lunch break for me! But seriously, I do realize what I am doing by not taking the full 3-5. However, I will try it next workout and then see if I can do 10-12 reps with only a 10% drop.

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JP actually details the rest periods in his programme so just follow those.

I started training like this (full body version) and I really like it.

But I think my back isn’t getting the love it really needs. 1 set of lats and 1 set of back really doesn’t torch it very much.

The lats and and rest of the back are such big muscles that it can take quite the beating and just 1 set lats focused for example is very little I find.

Anyone else felt like this?

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No.

Learn to target your back better.

If you are adding reps/weight you are progressing and adding muscle.

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Yeah. Tons and tons of dudes feel that way. About all their body parts. It’s one of the main reasons people move on from full body to some kind of split routine.

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Thanks guys, I’ll admit I definitely need to get better at targeting the back better and will work on that.

I have to say though the back volume is a lot less than the pushing muscles even though it’s such big muscles.

The tris/shoulders/chest gets work from all three pressing compounds and the triceps even gets an extra set with the isolation.
Would it be silly to add an extra set of pull ups?

Yeah, find a heavier alternative like lat pulldowns.
You’re supposed to be targeting heavy ass movements.

Do a top set and a backdown set if you really want for these exercises, but if you’re struggling to recover - go back to what is prescribed in the program.

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What do your 4 rotations look like?

Are you doing the Hinge movements like SLDL or RDL?

Weighted pull ups might be the answer :smiling_imp:

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Yeah I’m always doing the pull ups weighted for sure and I don’t think the lat pulldown at my gym is very good since I can rep the full mag on it.

I think I’m gonna shut my pie hole and just do as prescribed by the great Jordan Peters for a few months and then evaluate.

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Single sided might be a good option, if weighted pull ups don’t give you the engagement you need.

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