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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Oh and what he said should, you know, actually incite people to violence.[/quote]

How about this…he did not just come out and say KEEL ALL ZEE JOOOS!!

But the angry folks in the black community felt empowered by how Obama and Holder rushed in and defended two black suspects simply because they were BLACK.

It might make a portion of the black population think “hey, we can kill whitey and the Prez has our back”[/quote]

Now we take a step back to “it might make a portion…think.” Not exactly inciting violence anymore. But we’re still not at the truth:

What might make them think that? What words – be specific – did Obama say that “might make a portion of the black population think ‘hey, we can kill whitey and the Prez has our back.’” Keep in mind that people are only responsible for what they say vis-a-vis their words as understood under the interpretation of a reasonable mind. That is, the Beatles aren’t responsible for the Manson Family murders.

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Oh and what he said should, you know, actually incite people to violence.[/quote]

How about this…he did not just come out and say KEEL ALL ZEE JOOOS!!

But the angry folks in the black community felt empowered by how Obama and Holder rushed in and defended two black suspects simply because they were BLACK.

It might make a portion of the black population think “hey, we can kill whitey and the Prez has our back”[/quote]

Now we take a step back to “it might make a portion…think.” Not exactly inciting violence anymore. But we’re still not at the truth:

What might make them think that? What words – be specific – did Obama say that “might make a portion of the black population think ‘hey, we can kill whitey and the Prez has our back.’” Keep in mind that people are only responsible for what they say vis-a-vis their words as understood under the interpretation of a reasonable mind. That is, the Beatles aren’t responsible for the Manson Family murders.[/quote]

When Obama decided to turn the Trayvon Martin shooting into his own personal crusade, he could have foreseen that racial violence would ensue. A reasonable person would foresee that.

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Oh and what he said should, you know, actually incite people to violence.[/quote]

How about this…he did not just come out and say KEEL ALL ZEE JOOOS!!

But the angry folks in the black community felt empowered by how Obama and Holder rushed in and defended two black suspects simply because they were BLACK.

It might make a portion of the black population think “hey, we can kill whitey and the Prez has our back”[/quote]

Now we take a step back to “it might make a portion…think.” Not exactly inciting violence anymore. But we’re still not at the truth:

What might make them think that? What words – be specific – did Obama say that “might make a portion of the black population think ‘hey, we can kill whitey and the Prez has our back.’” Keep in mind that people are only responsible for what they say vis-a-vis their words as understood under the interpretation of a reasonable mind. That is, the Beatles aren’t responsible for the Manson Family murders.[/quote]

Fair enough…and for the record I think that Obama is FAR too clever to come out and say ANYTHING (witness the refusal to label the french killers muslim terrorists) But when you have the USAG flying to to Ferguson and taking over the case… and the President meeting IN THE WHITE HOUSE with members of Mike’s family.

What would that say to you??

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He’s met over and over and over again with that slime Al Sharpton in the White House. He’s almost one of his key advisers. And Sharpton own millions in unpaid taxes. He’s a criminal coke dealer, FBI informant, race baiter and he’s in the damn White House every other week!

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:

He IS a communist?[/quote]

Without question.

Deep down? yes. He certainly, and without any uncertain terms thinks it is the ideal utopia the world would be better off shackled to.

His parents, step parent, grandparents, mentors, wife, college days, “you didn’t build that”, “spread the wealth around” and a whole host of other ignorant bullshit that has dribbled out of his leftist mouth.

No, not at all. That is too much of an over simplification.

While I may be a bit over the top here against Bam the Douche King, you’re certainly equally on the wrong side of defending him.

Not in totality, no. Words matter, and matter very much.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

“Violent, vicious zealots” seems pretty apt to me. [/quote]

I’m curious if you’d be okay with the same newspeak from a the other party. [/quote]

It isn’t newspeak, it’s an understanding of the power of public speech acts. I’m a moderate FWIW. I agree with DCI John Brennan’s position that attaching religious labels such as Jihadist and Islamic provides the terrorist groups in question with the religious validation that they seek. It is better to portray them as unlawful combatants and murderous criminals than as mujahideen. These extremists desire a manichean struggle between their brand of Islam and the civilized world. Let’s not give it to them.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Oh and what he said should, you know, actually incite people to violence.[/quote]

How about this…he did not just come out and say KEEL ALL ZEE JOOOS!!

But the angry folks in the black community felt empowered by how Obama and Holder rushed in and defended two black suspects simply because they were BLACK.

It might make a portion of the black population think “hey, we can kill whitey and the Prez has our back”[/quote]

Now we take a step back to “it might make a portion…think.” Not exactly inciting violence anymore. But we’re still not at the truth:

What might make them think that? What words – be specific – did Obama say that “might make a portion of the black population think ‘hey, we can kill whitey and the Prez has our back.’” Keep in mind that people are only responsible for what they say vis-a-vis their words as understood under the interpretation of a reasonable mind. That is, the Beatles aren’t responsible for the Manson Family murders.[/quote]

Fair enough…and for the record I think that Obama is FAR too clever to come out and say ANYTHING (witness the refusal to label the french killers muslim terrorists) But when you have the USAG flying to to Ferguson and taking over the case… and the President meeting IN THE WHITE HOUSE with members of Mike’s family.

What would that say to you??[/quote]

That he was wrong about Mike Brown.

Not that I could kill somebody. Obviously.

And it seems that everyone here agrees.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]
On what evidence exactly? A professor he knew before the invention of the DVD player? Something he said when he was a college student?[/quote]

His parents, step parent, grandparents, mentors, wife, college days, “you didn’t build that”, “spread the wealth around” and a whole host of other ignorant bullshit that has dribbled out of his leftist mouth. [/quote]

So [a list of people he’s known* plus two soundbites (one of which you’re deliberately misinterpreting)] vs. [what he’s done], and you’re going with the former. OK. That’s terrible reasoning and argumentation, but you can believe what you’d like.

*So Un-American. Maybe we should put together a Committee.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Oh and what he said should, you know, actually incite people to violence.[/quote]

How about this…he did not just come out and say KEEL ALL ZEE JOOOS!!

But the angry folks in the black community felt empowered by how Obama and Holder rushed in and defended two black suspects simply because they were BLACK.

It might make a portion of the black population think “hey, we can kill whitey and the Prez has our back”[/quote]

Now we take a step back to “it might make a portion…think.” Not exactly inciting violence anymore. But we’re still not at the truth:

What might make them think that? What words – be specific – did Obama say that “might make a portion of the black population think ‘hey, we can kill whitey and the Prez has our back.’” Keep in mind that people are only responsible for what they say vis-a-vis their words as understood under the interpretation of a reasonable mind. That is, the Beatles aren’t responsible for the Manson Family murders.[/quote]

When Obama decided to turn the Trayvon Martin shooting into his own personal crusade, he could have foreseen that racial violence would ensue. A reasonable person would foresee that.[/quote]

So you don’t have any words inciting violence. OK.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
C’mon smh, don’t do this to yourself.[/quote]

Take on one single sentence I’ve written.

It’s useful every once in a while to open the window to reality.

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[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

“Violent, vicious zealots” seems pretty apt to me. [/quote]

I’m curious if you’d be okay with the same newspeak from a the other party. [/quote]

It isn’t newspeak, it’s an understanding of the power of public speech acts. I’m a moderate FWIW. I agree with DCI John Brennan’s position that attaching religious labels such as Jihadist and Islamic provides the terrorist groups in question with the religious validation that they seek. It is better to portray them as unlawful combatants and murderous criminals than as mujahideen. These extremists desire a manichean struggle between their brand of Islam and the civilized world. Let’s not give it to them.[/quote]

Fine, fair enough. I can accept that. Hard to swallow, but let’s assume for sake of argument you’re 100% here.

Isn’t that a lot like “hearts and minds” and “spread democracy” and “they hate us for the freedom” lines?

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]
On what evidence exactly? A professor he knew before the invention of the DVD player? Something he said when he was a college student?[/quote]

His parents, step parent, grandparents, mentors, wife, college days, “you didn’t build that”, “spread the wealth around” and a whole host of other ignorant bullshit that has dribbled out of his leftist mouth. [/quote]

So [a list of people he’s known* plus two soundbites (one of which you’re deliberately misinterpreting)] vs. [what he’s done], and you’re going with the former. OK. That’s terrible reasoning and argumentation, but you can believe what you’d like.

*So Un-American. Maybe we should put together a Committee.[/quote]

I know you’re not pretending people don’t influence your world view, and people can’t perform a job that is antithetical to their core beliefs…

Trust me, I’m fine with him pretending to be a “moderate” for sake of his legacy. It hurts us less.

And you strangely ignore Obamacare with regards to his “what he’s done”. Is it because it is just an indicator of his overall world view might be?

I’m not taking those statements out of context. I’m just not a state worshiping leftist, so I don’t forgive them due to “context” created by the water carrying press.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]
On what evidence exactly? A professor he knew before the invention of the DVD player? Something he said when he was a college student?[/quote]

His parents, step parent, grandparents, mentors, wife, college days, “you didn’t build that”, “spread the wealth around” and a whole host of other ignorant bullshit that has dribbled out of his leftist mouth. [/quote]

So [a list of people he’s known* plus two soundbites (one of which you’re deliberately misinterpreting)] vs. [what he’s done], and you’re going with the former. OK. That’s terrible reasoning and argumentation, but you can believe what you’d like.

*So Un-American. Maybe we should put together a Committee.[/quote]

I know you’re not pretending people don’t influence your world view, and people can’t perform a job that is antithetical to their core beliefs… [/quote]

I’m not pretending anything. I’m saying that my dad’s political beliefs are not evidence of mine. Don’t you come from a family of Lefties? Don’t you know this already?

[quote]

And you strangely ignore Obamacare with regards to his “what he’s done”. Is it because it is just an indicator of his overall world view might be?[/quote]

Obamacare, riddled with shit as it is, is not communist by any stretch of the imagination. If anyone thinks it is, he either doesn’t know what the ACA is or doesn’t know what communism is.

I never said “context.” I said you were deliberately misinterpreting the “you didn’t build that” line, which is an obvious and banal point made badly and not under any possible interpretation a declaration of communist ideals. This in much the same way as Romney’s “I like to fire people” line was not evidence that he was Mr. Burns – it was just used that way by partisan airheads.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
C’mon smh, don’t do this to yourself.[/quote]

Take on one single sentence I’ve written.

It’s useful every once in a while to open the window to reality.[/quote]

Not going to do it here and now. Don’t feel like it.

But you simply aren’t projecting the image you desire of yourself, that of a thinking, objective observer/pontificater. Bam is everything your present adversaries here say he is – to some degree or another – and you KNOW it. Yet you are trying to present a defacto defense of him. You have no chance.

I think you must be trying to do it just for the intellectual exercise.[/quote]

Perspicacious as always, you are. The last line is correct. (I obviously know that this is a useless battle for me here on PWI.) But I do believe what I’m saying: that Obama isn’t a communist (note: this doesn’t mean I approve of what he is) and that he didn’t incite any black guys to violence. That that’s an Obama-loving stance hereabouts is a testament to the very smart but seriously partisan bent of this here community. And I will win on both of those points.

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Obama isn’t a communist[/quote]

I wouldnt call him a communist, but he believes in big government having control over society. Getting upset over how you label something only to draw attention away from the real issue is pretty typical these days.

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:
I’m saying that my dad’s political beliefs are not evidence of mine. Don’t you come from a family of Lefties? Don’t you know this already?[/quote]

I’m also pretty vocal about my rejection of that indoctrination, not writing books praising it.

[quote]

Obamacare, riddled with shit as it is, is not communist by any stretch of the imagination. If anyone thinks it is, he either doesn’t know what the ACA is or doesn’t know what communism is.[/quote]

Certainly is. Start with the socialization of cost, end with the governmental interference with the entire HR function of any business in America with an employee.

Thing is your taking a start/stop, toss the frog in the boiling water view of collectivism as it comes to America. You have to see it as, put the frog in the cool pan, and slowly turn up the heat.

[quote]
and not under any possible interpretation a declaration of communist ideals.[/quote]

Lol, come on man. I know you’re not falling on sword here. Defend the comment all you want, but it certainly isn’t a declaration of anything remotely close to a free market, private ownership, pro-individual ideal.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Obama isn’t a communist[/quote]

I wouldnt call him a communist, but he believes in big government having control over society. Getting upset over how you label something only to draw attention away from the real issue is pretty typical these days. [/quote]

Joe: “Obama is a communist.”

John: “No he isn’t.”

Steve: “Joe, you’re right, but stop drawing attention away from the real issue.”

(A lot has been written about the political consequences of imprecision in language and terminology. If you don’t think this stuff matters, that’s your problem.)

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“You didn’t build that”