Jones vs Henderson

[quote]i_am_ketosis wrote:
Been kind of out of the loop with MMA for awhile(honestly, it’s getting boring to me)but I think Jones is a pussy for not taking that fight with Sonnen. If you claim to be the best, then you fight all comers. None of this: “Oh, I didn’t have time to prepare and I didn’t want a blemish on my record.” That’s a cop out any way you slice it. Sonnen would be in the exact same boat, in addition to going UP a weight class. I think that decision will haunt Jones his whole career if he never fights Sonnen.

Also, to the guy who said GSP is a boring fighter, I challenge you to go at 100% for 25 minutes in the gym. You can’t do that, it’s a losing strategy. There are lots of fighters that I feel fight to not lose rather than win, GSP isn’t one of them. He wins every fight on his terms, he hardly even gets hurt anymore. The last fight I remember him getting banged up was the last time he fought BJ, and that was years ago.

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People are seriously still bitching about Jones declining to fight Sonnen?! Yet, there is no discussion about his recent title defense against Belfort (a relatively exciting defense, at least as far as his defenses so far IMO)? What the heck is up with the Combat Sports forum? The Sonnen thing is in the past people, get on with the now.

[quote]Boss155 wrote:
Not a big fan of Jones either![/quote]

Can I ask why? You’re of course entitled to your opinion; I’m just curious.

Seriously?

Jones turned down Sonnen:

  1. because he was looking out for #1 (protect yourself at all times doesn’t just mean in the ring) and

  2. because Fuck Chael Sonnen. Seriously, I’d turn down a fight, lose the purse, and piss off Dana White and the fanboys just to rob that overrated loudmouth cunt of a PPV payday. I imagine Jones saw more upside in fucking with Sonnen’s head and bank account than he did in risking a night of lay and pray leading to a shitty decision.

[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
2. because Fuck Chael Sonnen. Seriously, I’d turn down a fight, lose the purse, and piss off Dana White and the fanboys just to rob that overrated loudmouth cunt of a PPV payday. I imagine Jones saw more upside in fucking with Sonnen’s head and bank account than he did in risking a night of lay and pray leading to a shitty decision.

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LOL. Sonnen is definitely one of those love him or hate him types, I haven’t talked to many people who are luke warm about him.

I think there is a slim chance Hendo will find his notorious right hand to connect with a KO-punch. If they get to fight once Hendo’s MCL heals up, I envision Hendo getting submitted in the later rounds like Belfort. I don’t see anyone beating Jon Jones for a long time. Personally, I think the biggest challenge for Jon Jones would be Anderson Silva, and this implies that I also think that Anderson could clean out just about everyone in the light-heavyweight division.

Also, props for Belfort for tweaking Jones’ arm in the first round. That’s the closest anyone’s ever come to beating Jones, and I think if Jones ever loses, it will be because he got caught in a submission from no where like Anderson’s only legitimate loss (some Japanese guy with a flying heel hook).

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
2. because Fuck Chael Sonnen. Seriously, I’d turn down a fight, lose the purse, and piss off Dana White and the fanboys just to rob that overrated loudmouth cunt of a PPV payday. I imagine Jones saw more upside in fucking with Sonnen’s head and bank account than he did in risking a night of lay and pray leading to a shitty decision.

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LOL. Sonnen is definitely one of those love him or hate him types, I haven’t talked to many people who are luke warm about him.
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seriously… while I may not hate the guy I see no point. I mean if 1000 loudmouths said I want to fight your just supposed to take them all when your the champ? Who has time for that? Who is Sonnen? If Sonnen wants to deserve the fight tell him to beat Silva. Sonnen did nothing to make somebody fight him but say oooo oooo oo I want to fight.

[quote]atfkao wrote:
I think there is a slim chance Hendo will find his notorious right hand to connect with a KO-punch. If they get to fight once Hendo’s MCL heals up, I envision Hendo getting submitted in the later rounds like Belfort. I don’t see anyone beating Jon Jones for a long time. Personally, I think the biggest challenge for Jon Jones would be Anderson Silva, and this implies that I also think that Anderson could clean out just about everyone in the light-heavyweight division.

Also, props for Belfort for tweaking Jones’ arm in the first round. That’s the closest anyone’s ever come to beating Jones, and I think if Jones ever loses, it will be because he got caught in a submission from no where like Anderson’s only legitimate loss (some Japanese guy with a flying heel hook). [/quote]

There’s just no way that Hendo is gonna get close enough to land that right hand though. Watch Jones’ last few fights and you’ll see that he keeps smaller fighters at a distance with his legs, and once their legs are worn down he may use his arms (like he did to Rashad). You have to be able to close the gap if you are a smaller fighter, and if much, much more explosive guys like Rashad and Vitor couldn’t do it, Hendo has a snowball’s chance of doing it.

Hendo is a heavy handed, plodding, take a punch to give a punch type of striker. That’s a horrible style to have to try to beat Jones. And even if Hendo can close the gap, he’ll get manhandled if Jones decides to grab a hold of him, toss him to the ground and pound on him.

I tend to agree with you that Anderson is really the only legitimate threat to Jones at this point. I’m not saying Jones couldn’t lose to someone else, but IMO it would be as the result of a lucky punch, stoppage due to freak injury, or totally unexpected submission (there really aren’t many elite submission guys at LHW at this point though). Judging by what Anderson did to Forrest (and assuming he fairs similarly with Bonnar), I’d say that he may actually even be the favorite to win against Jones if they fought (or maybe they’d both be 50/50, still better than anyone else IMO).

If Anderson really felt like he could take Jones though, I think he’d challenge him for the belt. He has moved up to LHW before, and clearly doesn’t have too big of a problem doing it again since he’s fighting Bonnar. This makes me think that he is either planning on retiring very soon and doesn’t want a possible blemish on his unbeaten UFC record (which he probably realizes could be a possibility if he faces Jones), or that he realizes how physically outmatched he would be against Jones and doesn’t like the match-up.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
2. because Fuck Chael Sonnen. Seriously, I’d turn down a fight, lose the purse, and piss off Dana White and the fanboys just to rob that overrated loudmouth cunt of a PPV payday. I imagine Jones saw more upside in fucking with Sonnen’s head and bank account than he did in risking a night of lay and pray leading to a shitty decision.

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LOL. Sonnen is definitely one of those love him or hate him types, I haven’t talked to many people who are luke warm about him.
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seriously… while I may not hate the guy I see no point. I mean if 1000 loudmouths said I want to fight your just supposed to take them all when your the champ? Who has time for that? Who is Sonnen? If Sonnen wants to deserve the fight tell him to beat Silva. Sonnen did nothing to make somebody fight him but say oooo oooo oo I want to fight.[/quote]

Or if he wants a legitimate shot at the LHW belt, then he should move up to LHW and beat some other potential contenders just like everyone else.

Jones size advantage over almost everyone in the LHW division got me thinking, and this may be veering off topic a little…

Now obviously in MMA there are more options from the clinch, a fighter can take it to the ground etc.

However in terms of pure kickboxing/MT, does the larger fighter always dominate the plum? I can’t wrap my head around a shorter fighting dominating the thai clinch on a taller fighter, has this literally ever happened when there’s a notable height discrepancy?