[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
So why shouldent he fight chael , if he’s the best and I’m not gonna argue that . Then he should have no trouble running through chael [/quote]
It’s not why shouldn’t he, it’s why should he.
jon jones is a chump, you dont turn down fights down unless hurt…
The interview with Chael Sonnen on ESPN was EPIC. Really chewed JJ out. Jon Jones has lost my respect.
[quote]bartonmlee wrote:
jon jones is a chump, you dont turn down fights down unless hurt…[/quote]
Nonsense, he has put tons of time, energy, and money into becoming the LHW champ, it would be a stupid move on his part to jeopardize that investment on a spur of the moment fight just to appease the fanboys.
Some of you don’t seem to grasp that MMA is a business and like someone else said above, the fighters and their management have to look out for their best interests, because the organization (UFC) sure as hell is looking out for theirs. I know we’d all like it of the fighters were just doing it for the love of the sport, but that’s just not a realistic perspective.
I’m disappointed that Hendo got hurt because while I think Jones would smash him, I also know that Hendo would make it exciting until he eventually lost, and I like Hendo’s heart and character as a fighter. It’s also nice to see when an older guy like him can still give the younger fighters a run for their money. Hopefully as a result of him being out for a bit that’ll mean they have him rematch with Shogun, because THAT was an awesome fight.
^doesent change the fact that Jones is a chump
On one hand, Jones is looking out for HIS best interests, which a fighter should do as sentoguy pointed out. It’s not the amateurs, this is a career.
On the other hand, on a personal level, Jones is an absolute cunt. Because he’s afraid of taking a replacement fight in Sonnen (yes, I legit believe Jones is worried Sonnen will just grind out a win with his wrestling) that whole card is off - it’s no skin off Jones nose: he’s already got plenty of zeroes in his bank balance, but every other fighter on that card who has families to provide for is now out of pocket because the whole card is off. Although the UFC should rightly take blame for part of that: they could’ve just switched out the title fight for a different main event.
It seems like everything Jones does just digs him into a deeper hole popularity wise, the funny part is he thinks he’s like Ali: hated at the start, but people grow to love him and see his genius. He wishes.
Jones vs. Belfort is on! @UFC 152.
I guess it’s Jones Belfort now.
Is it just me or does it seem like mma fighters get hurt, in training, more often than athletes in other sports? It’s like every UFC card lately has some changes because of injuries. There have been fighters who pulled out with injury after they were called in to replace another fighter who was injured.
I was telling someone I know that I believe mma coaching is really behind other sports. If a football team had players getting injured in training all the time they would fire the S&C coach. I think a lot of us saw that video of Cain Velasquez “training” with a kettlebell and thought it and/or his trainer was incredibly stupid.
If Jones took the fight it would have been an honorable gesture on his part, but he didn’t have to, so no one should hold that against him.
The UFC thought that a Flyweight bout was good enough to headline a PPV. UFC 152 was a shitty card before Jones-Belfort was added.
We just had a PPV that was headlined by a bantamweight fight for an interim title.
What does it say about UFC 151 that they had to cancel after one fight was off? These was the rest of the card for 151:
Jake Ellenberger vs Jay Hieron
Dennis Siver vs Eddie Yagin
Dennis Hallman vs Thiago Tavares
John Lineker vs Yasuhiro Urushitani
They’re putting all of the blame on Jones, while they were going to put out a card like that? And Jones-Hendo wasn’t that good a match anyway–Jones was the heavy favourite. Jones vs. Rashad, Rampage, and Machida were more compelling.
But sure, let’s keep putting the blame on Jones. Not the bad luck surrounding injuries this year that kept the cards so thin, not the UFC for not responding with less cards to keep the quality good…
The UFC was more popular when it was putting out cards like UFC 92, UFC 94, UFC 98, UFC 100, etc. None of those cards would have gotten cancelled because of one fight.
It’s an unfortunate situation for the fans, the UFC, and especially the other fighters on the card. But it’s not Jon Jones’ fault. The UFC did a shitty thing to shift the blame on Jones, and apparently it’s working.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Is it just me or does it seem like mma fighters get hurt, in training, more often than athletes in other sports? It’s like every UFC card lately has some changes because of injuries. There have been fighters who pulled out with injury after they were called in to replace another fighter who was injured.
I was telling someone I know that I believe mma coaching is really behind other sports. If a football team had players getting injured in training all the time they would fire the S&C coach. I think a lot of us saw that video of Cain Velasquez “training” with a kettlebell and thought it and/or his trainer was incredibly stupid. [/quote]
Athletes have to push themselves more then ever, and they take so many supplements that allow them to push past limits. But at the end of the day they are limits for a reason.
What you said about the ufc I was thinking about the nfl last night and the nba last year.
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
On one hand, Jones is looking out for HIS best interests, which a fighter should do as sentoguy pointed out. It’s not the amateurs, this is a career.
On the other hand, on a personal level, Jones is an absolute cunt. Because he’s afraid of taking a replacement fight in Sonnen (yes, I legit believe Jones is worried Sonnen will just grind out a win with his wrestling) that whole card is off - it’s no skin off Jones nose: he’s already got plenty of zeroes in his bank balance, but every other fighter on that card who has families to provide for is now out of pocket because the whole card is off. Although the UFC should rightly take blame for part of that: they could’ve just switched out the title fight for a different main event.
It seems like everything Jones does just digs him into a deeper hole popularity wise, the funny part is he thinks he’s like Ali: hated at the start, but people grow to love him and see his genius. He wishes. [/quote]
Yeah, it definitely sucks for all the other fighters on that card. But, like you said, Jones didn’t cancel the whole card, that was Dana and the UFC’s doing (a great example of looking out for the organization’s interests rather than the fighters’). So I don’t really think you can put much blame on him for that.
[quote]DN90 wrote:
If Jones took the fight it would have been an honorable gesture on his part, but he didn’t have to, so no one should hold that against him.
The UFC thought that a Flyweight bout was good enough to headline a PPV. UFC 152 was a shitty card before Jones-Belfort was added.
We just had a PPV that was headlined by a bantamweight fight for an interim title.
What does it say about UFC 151 that they had to cancel after one fight was off? These was the rest of the card for 151:
Jake Ellenberger vs Jay Hieron
Dennis Siver vs Eddie Yagin
Dennis Hallman vs Thiago Tavares
John Lineker vs Yasuhiro Urushitani
They’re putting all of the blame on Jones, while they were going to put out a card like that? And Jones-Hendo wasn’t that good a match anyway–Jones was the heavy favourite. Jones vs. Rashad, Rampage, and Machida were more compelling.
But sure, let’s keep putting the blame on Jones. Not the bad luck surrounding injuries this year that kept the cards so thin, not the UFC for not responding with less cards to keep the quality good…
The UFC was more popular when it was putting out cards like UFC 92, UFC 94, UFC 98, UFC 100, etc. None of those cards would have gotten cancelled because of one fight.
It’s an unfortunate situation for the fans, the UFC, and especially the other fighters on the card. But it’s not Jon Jones’ fault. The UFC did a shitty thing to shift the blame on Jones, and apparently it’s working. [/quote]
Great post, right on the money
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Is it just me or does it seem like mma fighters get hurt, in training, more often than athletes in other sports? It’s like every UFC card lately has some changes because of injuries. There have been fighters who pulled out with injury after they were called in to replace another fighter who was injured.
I was telling someone I know that I believe mma coaching is really behind other sports. If a football team had players getting injured in training all the time they would fire the S&C coach. I think a lot of us saw that video of Cain Velasquez “training” with a kettlebell and thought it and/or his trainer was incredibly stupid. [/quote]
Athletes have to push themselves more then ever, and they take so many supplements that allow them to push past limits. But at the end of the day they are limits for a reason.
What you said about the ufc I was thinking about the nfl last night and the nba last year. [/quote]
I think that is definitely part of it, I think that the wear and tear of the sport as well as the nature of training for it also eventually catches up to people. I think that the increased frequency of shows may also be adding to that problem.
Another possibility is that the UFC’s illegal substances screening process has improved and thus the athletes are no longer able to take substances which had previously helped their bodies to recover faster from training, thus leading to an eventually breakdown of connective tissues and supporting structures, which in turn is leading to increased injuries.
[quote]John.Naumovski wrote:
Jones vs. Belfort is on! @UFC 152.
What an odd series of events this is turning out to be.
Machida seemed totally motivated to take his title back, what made him back out of the chance now? Then again, he probably expected a decent amount more time since Jones was scheduled to fight Hendo and there would likely be some recovery time following that fight before Jones would be ready to fight again.
I say have Machida fight Hendo (once he recovers) for the next shot at the title; that would be a great fight IMO and since both guys were originally scheduled to get a title shot anyway, seems like an obvious #1 contender bout.
I understand it’s a business, and Jones like to do the right thing, but his comments are starting to look too capitalistic. He could’ve just said I beat Machida in 10 sec, but by saying Machida was his lowest pay per view draw he’s making the public view him like a dishonorable spoiled brat. He needs to clean up his PR campaign a little the NBA knows about this very well. We all know it’s a money game but the public doesn’t want to face that reality. Sportsmanship
Its just like sonnen said
I?ve never seen anything like this,? said Sonnen. ?I?ve never seen a champion turn down a fight. I?ve never seen a main event turn down a fight, and I?ve never seen a guy that?s healthy and went through a training camp turn down a fight. All three happened today with the same person. And it was so surprising.?
Jones should have taken the fight and ufc shouldnt have cancelled the whole event and blammed it on jones…
that being said, Belfort and Jones is the worst fight ever, of course jones would take a fight with belfort and not sonnen… not buying this ppv
i guess my copy and paste didnt work
Prize fighter, NOT pride fighter.
Its a business, Zuffa, Jones, Sonnen all do this for money. Zuffa and Jones have a chance to loss money from this fight, Sonnen would only gain money. Hence their choices.
[quote]Gmoore17 wrote:
For the record, that picture you posted was just Chael trash-talking Jones a few days ago, Jones didn’t actually say those things, Chael fake-retweeted.[/quote]
Crap, I didn’t mean to be spreading gossip. I did try checking jones’ Twitter feed history yesterday, but it was having loading problems. My mistake. Still though, it says something that I wasn’t 100% certain he wouldn’t have said something along those lines.
I did listen to Dana White’s conference call announcement and he seems to be putting a majority of the blame on Greg Jackson, who it sounds like convinced Jones he wasn’t ready to fight anyone other than Hendo.
White flat-out called Jackson “a fucking sport killer.” Not sure that’s fair considering the number of champs he’s helped produce, but White is very pissed at him and very pissed at Jones. (But really, when isn’t he pissed at someone or something.)