Jesus Christ, this thread should be retitled “Jim Wendler’s Dick: Hop on!”
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and in the spirit of the thread
I <3 Jim
His dick could total way more then 1760 raw.
Jim has shown what good strength is. Go back and get some PLUSA mags from 81-87. The gear has twisted people’s ideas about what strong is. I saw on another site his lifts being criticized as not to great, when in reality just using knee wraps would have been a helluva total in the mid 80s if your name wasn’t Ed Coan.
I’m not gear hater, but it has changed this game,and I don’t know if it’s for the best. In my first meet I used Marathon gear, a supersuit ( which I believe was their trade name for their product. and if you ask who Marathon is or was, you’re to young ton know what I’m talking about in the first place).
Probably gave me 30-50 lbs total at 132 pounds on my squat. there were no bench shirts yet (1982), and if they were mom and dad didn’t buy me one. Inzer, Frantz and Crain were also the the scene with gear. I switched to Inzer app 1984/85.
Bob Morris, RIP, was the first to make power belts and maybe was the best ever. My son has abandoned my Bob Morris in favor for an Elite systems belt. Probably because he thinks they’re cool. But his Morris belt is better. This belt cost me 50+ dollars in 83 and was super hand made stitched etc.
And there is nothing with Elite’s belt. It’s good. Hell, I post over at Elite. But Morris belts were craftmanship at it’s finest. So regular suits, wraps,and crappy Inzer blast shirts that gave everyone ten pound regardless of weight was the gear then.
My son is going at it raw for now. I won’t buy him and gear because he didn’t even get strong yet. And he’s fifteen. I roll my eyes at girls trying 275 pound canvas squats. What’s their raw lift, 100?? Tom is hoping and getting close to 225-250, 170-185, and 350-375 at 132.
If he does well and when he gains a little weight, I might let him use it. But first I want to see close to 400 , 225, 400+ at 148. Then it might be worth his while.
With gear you have two choices, gear up or lift raw. with the better guys lifting geared and leaving the less good to go raw, raw weenies place to much on gear for success and geared guys get a disproportionate idea on how strong they are. Wendler doing a meet and hitting what I think was an old school elite total show people what strong is.
I’m basing Elite on doing this at 220, which he was about 10-12 over. From my understanding he just entered for some fun so I’m sure he didn’t cut weight.
Here are some of my off the top of my head best raw or close to it lifts. Kaz’s 880+ deadlift. Kuc’s 870 at 242. Weils’ 485 bp at 165. Bridges geared 2100+ total in the early 80s. I’m sure he didn’t wear a bench shirt but he used a suit and wraps. People have forgotten what strong is or how to get strong.
Jim’s meet is an eye opener in many ways and for many people.
Jesus, it’s Homer Simpson’s Dad posting in here!
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Jim has shown what good strength is. Go back and get some PLUSA mags from 81-87. The gear has twisted people’s ideas about what strong is. I saw on another site his lifts being criticized as not to great, when in reality just using knee wraps would have been a helluva total in the mid 80s if your name wasn’t Ed Coan.
I’m not gear hater, but it has changed this game,and I don’t know if it’s for the best. In my first meet I used Marathon gear, a supersuit ( which I believe was their trade name for their product. and if you ask who Marathon is or was, you’re to young ton know what I’m talking about in the first place).
Probably gave me 30-50 lbs total at 132 pounds on my squat. there were no bench shirts yet (1982), and if they were mom and dad didn’t buy me one. Inzer, Frantz and Crain were also the the scene with gear. I switched to Inzer app 1984/85.
Bob Morris, RIP, was the first to make power belts and maybe was the best ever. My son has abandoned my Bob Morris in favor for an Elite systems belt. Probably because he thinks they’re cool. But his Morris belt is better. This belt cost me 50+ dollars in 83 and was super hand made stitched etc.
And there is nothing with Elite’s belt. It’s good. Hell, I post over at Elite. But Morris belts were craftmanship at it’s finest. So regular suits, wraps,and crappy Inzer blast shirts that gave everyone ten pound regardless of weight was the gear then.
My son is going at it raw for now. I won’t buy him and gear because he didn’t even get strong yet. And he’s fifteen. I roll my eyes at girls trying 275 pound canvas squats. What’s their raw lift, 100?? Tom is hoping and getting close to 225-250, 170-185, and 350-375 at 132.
If he does well and when he gains a little weight, I might let him use it. But first I want to see close to 400 , 225, 400+ at 148. Then it might be worth his while.
With gear you have two choices, gear up or lift raw. with the better guys lifting geared and leaving the less good to go raw, raw weenies place to much on gear for success and geared guys get a disproportionate idea on how strong they are. Wendler doing a meet and hitting what I think was an old school elite total show people what strong is.
I’m basing Elite on doing this at 220, which he was about 10-12 over. From my understanding he just entered for some fun so I’m sure he didn’t cut weight.
Here are some of my off the top of my head best raw or close to it lifts. Kaz’s 880+ deadlift. Kuc’s 870 at 242. Weils’ 485 bp at 165. Bridges geared 2100+ total in the early 80s. I’m sure he didn’t wear a bench shirt but he used a suit and wraps. People have forgotten what strong is or how to get strong.
Jim’s meet is an eye opener in many ways and for many people.
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Not the gear v raw again if your a strong motherfucker your a strong motherfucker regardless. Wendler was strong with it and continues to be strong without it, I don’t wear it personally but if somebody does and lifts a huge weight I admire them greatly. Who cares stop posting mad shit and lift a wendleresque total.
By the way Jim is one strong motherfucker, 5/3/1 best out there imo, Pegg is alright but he wears gear!!!LOL
[quote]irishlifting wrote:
Pegg is alright but he wears gear!!!LOL
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Way to knock him down a peg.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Jim has shown what good strength is. Go back and get some PLUSA mags from 81-87. The gear has twisted people’s ideas about what strong is. I saw on another site his lifts being criticized as not to great, when in reality just using knee wraps would have been a helluva total in the mid 80s if your name wasn’t Ed Coan.
I’m not gear hater, but it has changed this game,and I don’t know if it’s for the best. In my first meet I used Marathon gear, a supersuit ( which I believe was their trade name for their product. and if you ask who Marathon is or was, you’re to young ton know what I’m talking about in the first place).
Probably gave me 30-50 lbs total at 132 pounds on my squat. there were no bench shirts yet (1982), and if they were mom and dad didn’t buy me one. Inzer, Frantz and Crain were also the the scene with gear. I switched to Inzer app 1984/85.
Bob Morris, RIP, was the first to make power belts and maybe was the best ever. My son has abandoned my Bob Morris in favor for an Elite systems belt. Probably because he thinks they’re cool. But his Morris belt is better. This belt cost me 50+ dollars in 83 and was super hand made stitched etc.
And there is nothing with Elite’s belt. It’s good. Hell, I post over at Elite. But Morris belts were craftmanship at it’s finest. So regular suits, wraps,and crappy Inzer blast shirts that gave everyone ten pound regardless of weight was the gear then.
My son is going at it raw for now. I won’t buy him and gear because he didn’t even get strong yet. And he’s fifteen. I roll my eyes at girls trying 275 pound canvas squats. What’s their raw lift, 100?? Tom is hoping and getting close to 225-250, 170-185, and 350-375 at 132.
If he does well and when he gains a little weight, I might let him use it. But first I want to see close to 400 , 225, 400+ at 148. Then it might be worth his while.
With gear you have two choices, gear up or lift raw. with the better guys lifting geared and leaving the less good to go raw, raw weenies place to much on gear for success and geared guys get a disproportionate idea on how strong they are. Wendler doing a meet and hitting what I think was an old school elite total show people what strong is.
I’m basing Elite on doing this at 220, which he was about 10-12 over. From my understanding he just entered for some fun so I’m sure he didn’t cut weight.
Here are some of my off the top of my head best raw or close to it lifts. Kaz’s 880+ deadlift. Kuc’s 870 at 242. Weils’ 485 bp at 165. Bridges geared 2100+ total in the early 80s. I’m sure he didn’t wear a bench shirt but he used a suit and wraps. People have forgotten what strong is or how to get strong.
Jim’s meet is an eye opener in many ways and for many people.
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Surprised you did not mention Doug Young. 2017 total @ 242- with 3 broken ribs.
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Jim has shown what good strength is. Go back and get some PLUSA mags from 81-87. The gear has twisted people’s ideas about what strong is. I saw on another site his lifts being criticized as not to great, when in reality just using knee wraps would have been a helluva total in the mid 80s if your name wasn’t Ed Coan.
I’m not gear hater, but it has changed this game,and I don’t know if it’s for the best. In my first meet I used Marathon gear, a supersuit ( which I believe was their trade name for their product. and if you ask who Marathon is or was, you’re to young ton know what I’m talking about in the first place).
Probably gave me 30-50 lbs total at 132 pounds on my squat. there were no bench shirts yet (1982), and if they were mom and dad didn’t buy me one. Inzer, Frantz and Crain were also the the scene with gear. I switched to Inzer app 1984/85.
Bob Morris, RIP, was the first to make power belts and maybe was the best ever. My son has abandoned my Bob Morris in favor for an Elite systems belt. Probably because he thinks they’re cool. But his Morris belt is better. This belt cost me 50+ dollars in 83 and was super hand made stitched etc.
And there is nothing with Elite’s belt. It’s good. Hell, I post over at Elite. But Morris belts were craftmanship at it’s finest. So regular suits, wraps,and crappy Inzer blast shirts that gave everyone ten pound regardless of weight was the gear then.
My son is going at it raw for now. I won’t buy him and gear because he didn’t even get strong yet. And he’s fifteen. I roll my eyes at girls trying 275 pound canvas squats. What’s their raw lift, 100?? Tom is hoping and getting close to 225-250, 170-185, and 350-375 at 132.
If he does well and when he gains a little weight, I might let him use it. But first I want to see close to 400 , 225, 400+ at 148. Then it might be worth his while.
With gear you have two choices, gear up or lift raw. with the better guys lifting geared and leaving the less good to go raw, raw weenies place to much on gear for success and geared guys get a disproportionate idea on how strong they are. Wendler doing a meet and hitting what I think was an old school elite total show people what strong is.
I’m basing Elite on doing this at 220, which he was about 10-12 over. From my understanding he just entered for some fun so I’m sure he didn’t cut weight.
Here are some of my off the top of my head best raw or close to it lifts. Kaz’s 880+ deadlift. Kuc’s 870 at 242. Weils’ 485 bp at 165. Bridges geared 2100+ total in the early 80s. I’m sure he didn’t wear a bench shirt but he used a suit and wraps. People have forgotten what strong is or how to get strong.
Jim’s meet is an eye opener in many ways and for many people.
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Surprised you did not mention Doug Young. 2017 total @ 242- with 3 broken ribs.
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Just going off the top of my head on that post. But your right.
[quote]Woppa wrote:
Jesus, it’s Homer Simpson’s Dad posting in here![/quote]
Nope, just a reality check on what strong is.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
[quote]Woppa wrote:
Jesus, it’s Homer Simpson’s Dad posting in here![/quote]
Nope, just a reality check on what strong is.[/quote]
So Greg Panora, Dave Hoff, AJ Roberts, Matt Kroc, Josh McMillan, Chuck Vogelpohl, Vincent Dizenzo, Luke Edwards, Jason Fry, etc, etc, are not strong huh. Thats something new. Im tired of people shitting on geared lifters just because they like raw power lifting. Raw or Geared I think one major powerlifting federation whether it be mutli ply, single ply, or raw with all the top guys competing would be awesome and no assisted vs. not assisted debate either. Too bad Ill probably never see that in my lifetime even though Im only 19.
[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
[quote]Woppa wrote:
Jesus, it’s Homer Simpson’s Dad posting in here![/quote]
Nope, just a reality check on what strong is.[/quote]
So Greg Panora, Dave Hoff, AJ Roberts, Matt Kroc, Josh McMillan, Chuck Vogelpohl, Vincent Dizenzo, Luke Edwards, Jason Fry, etc, etc, are not strong huh. Thats something new. Im tired of people shitting on geared lifters just because they like raw power lifting. Raw or Geared I think one major powerlifting federation whether it be mutli ply, single ply, or raw with all the top guys competing would be awesome and no assisted vs. not assisted debate either. Too bad Ill probably never see that in my lifetime even though Im only 19.[/quote]
I just re-read his whole post, and I don’t see where he shit on anybody, or disparaged the people you referenced, or demonized geared lifters.
If I may: Tom63 is saying that with the advent of all the new “gear” and how good at what it does it just throws off peoples perceptions of strength.
Jim Wendler is strong. Jason Pegg is strong.
He also has another point (with his own kid as an example) is that with all the gear being more readily available nowadays you need a good base strength level before adding in the complexities of using gear.