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Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote] Wow. Contemporary history has it that muslims have greatly contributed to civilization in various fields.[ /quote]

From a pool of 1.4 BILLION Muslims which are 20% of the world’s population (2 out of every 10 people), you get six Noble prizes (one to terrorist Yasser Arafat for “peace”) – only 2 for actual science.

From a pool of 12 million Jews which are 0.2% of the World’s Population (2 out of every 1,000 people), you get 165 Noble prizes, the majority of which were in Chemistry, Physics, Economics, — real stuff.

Einstein, Jonas Salk (polio vaccine ), Christopher Columbus (mother Jewish), Ernst Chain (penecillian) to Michallangelo (the guy who painted the Vatican – Jewish/Italian).

But, yeah, the Jewish people are Bad – never contribute anything.

Muslims, good — they’ve done . … . well, they are really good at throwing rocks.

Pffft.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
(one to terrorist Yasser Arafat for “peace”) [/quote]

Was it naive and overreaching? Yes. Do I agree with it? No. But that whole “Arafat got a Nobel peace price” is so often quoted out of context that I just have to point it out…

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[quote]Alffi wrote:

[quote]Carl_ wrote:

Anyone not aggravated by this?

Criticism of Israel cannot automatically be perceived as Antisemitism, for sure. Endlessly pursuing that angle will ultimately end up hurting Israel itself.

But how can one not support basic (historical) Zionisism after this?[/quote]
It’s almost like being shot by friendly fire. Jews tear open the borders of sovereign nations and allow a mudslide of non-white immigrants including hostile muslims. Too bad some of their own are going to get hurt in the process.

Radical muslims cannot hurt us unless we let them in. 12 youths died in a train accident in Spain yesterday, trying to cross the rails. That’s probably more deaths than radical islam has accounted for in South Europe, East (unless, perhaps, Chechen-Russia conflict counts) or the West for many years.

As for Israel, Israel does not protect and lobby for us but only for its own self, and uses other countries as proxies. Even if we assume that Israel’s existence is just, there is no need to get worked up about it like the cons do. It’s just one conflict and licking jewish sack at every opportunity like american cons do is traitorous at worst and futile at best.[/quote]

Tear open the borders of sovereign nations? How exactly? By being attacked? Israel has been the aggressor in exactly NONE of the wars it has engaged in since it’s inception.

Are you saying that radical Islam has been responsible for less than 12 deaths in the WEST or did you mean Western Europe? Given your abysmal grasp of history and current world events, I actually think you might have meant the WEST.

America supports Israel because Israel opposes those who would harm Americans.

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

LOL - got any stats for those assumptions?

[/quote]

Come on, man. That was a good post of yours, but he’s got a point. Far right parties in Europe - Front Nationale, Vlaams Belang, Sweden Democrats. It goes on and on.

You’ve got those folks on your side of the pond too.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]Alffi wrote:

[quote]Carl_ wrote:

Anyone not aggravated by this?

Criticism of Israel cannot automatically be perceived as Antisemitism, for sure. Endlessly pursuing that angle will ultimately end up hurting Israel itself.

But how can one not support basic (historical) Zionisism after this?[/quote]
It’s almost like being shot by friendly fire. Jews tear open the borders of sovereign nations and allow a mudslide of non-white immigrants including hostile muslims. Too bad some of their own are going to get hurt in the process.

Radical muslims cannot hurt us unless we let them in. 12 youths died in a train accident in Spain yesterday, trying to cross the rails. That’s probably more deaths than radical islam has accounted for in South Europe, East (unless, perhaps, Chechen-Russia conflict counts) or the West for many years.

As for Israel, Israel does not protect and lobby for us but only for its own self, and uses other countries as proxies. Even if we assume that Israel’s existence is just, there is no need to get worked up about it like the cons do. It’s just one conflict and licking jewish sack at every opportunity like american cons do is traitorous at worst and futile at best.[/quote]

Tear open the borders of sovereign nations? How exactly? By being attacked? Israel has been the aggressor in exactly NONE of the wars it has engaged in since it’s inception.

Are you saying that radical Islam has been responsible for less than 12 deaths in the WEST or did you mean Western Europe? Given your abysmal grasp of history and current world events, I actually think you might have meant the WEST.

America supports Israel because Israel opposes those who would harm Americans.[/quote]

You have got to understand you are dealing with someone here who just arrived on earth after a long flight from one of Saturn’s moons.[/quote]

I think this comment would be more at home in the illegal alien thread.

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[quote]Carl_ wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

LOL - got any stats for those assumptions?

[/quote]

Come on, man. That was a good post of yours, but he’s got a point. Far right parties in Europe - Front Nationale, Vlaams Belang, Sweden Democrats. It goes on and on.

You’ve got those folks on your side of the pond too.[/quote]

Sorry, did not have those particualr groups in mind. not too well versed in the various political parties on that side of the pond - seems like you guys switch the whole thing up decade or so - lol, j/k

The stats I was asking for connected being anti-muslim to being a traditional racist. I was really curious if he had something that legitimately connected the two. Personally, form what I’ve seen hatred for islam and its practices extends thru every ethnic, political, cultural, social, and economic band - there’s not much love . . . red, yellow black and white, we’re all infidels in their sight . . .

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]Carl_ wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

LOL - got any stats for those assumptions?

[/quote]

Come on, man. That was a good post of yours, but he’s got a point. Far right parties in Europe - Front Nationale, Vlaams Belang, Sweden Democrats. It goes on and on.

You’ve got those folks on your side of the pond too.[/quote]

Sorry, did not have those particualr groups in mind. not too well versed in the various political parties on that side of the pond - seems like you guys switch the whole thing up decade or so - lol, j/k

The stats I was asking for connected being anti-muslim to being a traditional racist. I was really curious if he had something that legitimately connected the two. Personally, form what I’ve seen hatred for islam and its practices extends thru every ethnic, political, cultural, social, and economic band - there’s not much love . . . red, yellow black and white, we’re all infidels in their sight . . . [/quote]

Heh :slight_smile: - European political parties/groups are all over the place. I’m a huge Islam sceptic myself, but I’m leery of our far right groups. Bill Clinton warned us about Muslims potentially becoming the new Jews in Europe. He may be prone to hyperbole, but he has a point…

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote] Wow. Contemporary history has it that muslims have greatly contributed to civilization in various fields.[ /quote]

From a pool of 1.4 BILLION Muslims which are 20% of the world’s population (2 out of every 10 people), you get six Noble prizes (one to terrorist Yasser Arafat for “peace”) – only 2 for actual science.

From a pool of 12 million Jews which are 0.2% of the World’s Population (2 out of every 1,000 people), you get 165 Noble prizes, the majority of which were in Chemistry, Physics, Economics, — real stuff.

Einstein, Jonas Salk (polio vaccine ), Christopher Columbus (mother Jewish), Ernst Chain (penecillian) to Michallangelo (the guy who painted the Vatican – Jewish/Italian).

But, yeah, the Jewish people are Bad – never contribute anything.

Muslims, good — they’ve done . .. . well, they are really good at throwing rocks.

Pffft.[/quote]
The glory days of islamic science were before there was such a thing as a Nobel prize. I don’t have any argument with what you’re saying. All I said is that muslims have contributed, no matter how little it may relatively be.

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
those people are racist. there are racist jew haters over hear to, but luckily the are few here in norway, so I have not met one face to face. but sadly is alot of racist muslim haters and old-fashioned negroe haters here, they are so many that I have met to many of them. I would say anti-muslims are the biggest problem in my country. If we get a fascist coup over here, its not the jews that are being sent to camps, itt will be muslims, blacks and commies like me.[/quote]

LOL - you’re not a racist for hating muslims . . . they are not a race, they are a religion . . . [/quote]

ok, if a person hates people for theire religion only, they are not racist, but they still hate a group. its very similar. but many jew-haters or muslim-haters are also racist, they often also hates blacks, non-white immigrants and commies( I know commies are no race btw ). [/quote]

LOL - got any stats for those assumptions?

One other point of contention - there is only one race - human. Skin tone/melanonin levels are not a race, they are a genetic/physical trait. People are not hated because of the level of their melatonin, but because of the culture and values (regardless of sterotypes, accuracy, etc) that they represent. For instance, the communist labor unions of the late 19th, early 20th century hated blacks and chinese and refused to let them join their unions. Why did they hate blacks and chinese? Becuase they came from a hardworking, willing to accept lower pay culture that threatened the financial security of the communist whites. Their culture was deemed a threat by the communists and so they were beat, forced out of jobs, and generally mistreated by the communist labor unions.

The same thing happened in the democratic south. Blacks were seen as a cultural threat to the political dominance and security of the Democrat party in the south because they tended to vote republican in overwhleming numbers. So for years (1880’s thru the 1960’s) the Democrats actively tried to stomp out any black political organizations, civil rights groups, and republican voting blocks to prevent the blacks from threatening their political power.

Being from the South, I have watched the most amazing transformation in history as the party of slavery and the KKK was able via media assistance and poor public education to convince blacks that the Democrats were actually there to help them - and what has years of liberal Democrat “help” acheived for the black population of America? poorer education levels, deeper poverty, less property ownership, less voice in the politicla process - in short, the Democrats have re-enslaved the black population.

Flo, you have a warped view of the issue - hating muslims for what they do and have always done in the name of their religion is not even closely related to hating someone who has black skin. You will find that those who actually love blacks the most are on the right - not the left. We wnat them to succeed, to get an education, to run for office, to own businesses and property, to have the power to determine their own futures! Did you know that the majority of the founding officers of the Republican party were black?

We in America do not hate “non-white immigrants” - we love immigrants - we hate people who break the law! I am the offspring of non-white immigrants as are many if not most of those you will find on the right here in the US. We love immigration, we want everyone who can get here to get here and join us in the grandest country in the world. We just want you to do in a lawful and orderly manner. Respect us, respect our ways, respect our borders, respect our laws - join us! if not, we don’t want you here.

You once oversimplify and use incorrect generalizations . . .

[/quote]

I was talking about racists in norway btw. not republicans in the usa.

my point was not that hating muslims = hating blacks, but many of the anti-muslim groups here in norway, doent like black and brown people. is it clearer now.

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[quote]florelius wrote:
I was talking about racists in norway btw. not republicans in the usa.

my point was not that hating muslims = hating blacks, but many of the anti-muslim groups here in norway, doent like black and brown people. is it clearer now.
[/quote]

Yes, and my sincere apologies for misunderstanding you

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
I was talking about racists in norway btw. not republicans in the usa.

my point was not that hating muslims = hating blacks, but many of the anti-muslim groups here in norway, doent like black and brown people. is it clearer now.
[/quote]

Yes, and my sincere apologies for misunderstanding you[/quote]

thats ok:)

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
History lesson for the Norwegians:

The Israeli-Philistine (root word for Palestine) conflict goes clear back to the 12th century B.C.

Read the stories of Samson, Samuel, Saul and David.

Reading and knowing your Bible, even if in the Norwegian language, will help make you into well-rounded, insightful young men worthy of consideration here in the hallowed halls of TN PWI.[/quote]

An intelligent and insightful comment as usual…

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

…well the conflict of today have nothing to do with the biblical conflict. I tought that was obvious for everyone, even ultra-conservatives like you push.[/quote]

This is why history dunces like you should be bounced off PWI. The historical perspective of a conflict ALWAYS has something to do with the discussion.[/quote]

I dont get your strawman argument here push. even if dont agree with you on that the conflict between
israel and palestina is linked to the conflict between the jews and philistines in the bible. it doesnt
make me think that an historical perspective has nothing to do with an discussion. if you check many of my post in this forum, you see I use an history alot and again I study history, you dont think I use that knowledge I gather at the university in discussions here. nice try but you failed hard:)[/quote]

Flowery, there is a thread of conflict that begins way back yonder in the 12th century B.C. If we follow that thread down through the ages right up until our present time we will gain perspective into current affairs. Not to mention you will impress the chicks.

Now quit jousting with me, in essence saying, “I don’t need to know nuthin about the past in order to understand the present, Push. I can just limit my knowledge to the past few decades and I’ll do just fine.” That is sheer unadulterated stupidity, my dear fellow.[/quote]

mmm I should go kill some englishman to make them pay for the Hundred Years’ War.

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
those people are racist. there are racist jew haters over hear to, but luckily the are few here in norway, so I have not met one face to face. but sadly is alot of racist muslim haters and old-fashioned negroe haters here, they are so many that I have met to many of them. I would say anti-muslims are the biggest problem in my country. If we get a fascist coup over here, its not the jews that are being sent to camps, itt will be muslims, blacks and commies like me.[/quote]

LOL - you’re not a racist for hating muslims . . . they are not a race, they are a religion . . . [/quote]

loll they are not a religion they are adherent of the religion of Islam.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote] Wow. Contemporary history has it that muslims have greatly contributed to civilization in various fields.[ /quote]

From a pool of 1.4 BILLION Muslims which are 20% of the world’s population (2 out of every 10 people), you get six Noble prizes (one to terrorist Yasser Arafat for “peace”) – only 2 for actual science.

From a pool of 12 million Jews which are 0.2% of the World’s Population (2 out of every 1,000 people), you get 165 Noble prizes, the majority of which were in Chemistry, Physics, Economics, — real stuff.

Einstein, Jonas Salk (polio vaccine ), Christopher Columbus (mother Jewish), Ernst Chain (penecillian) to Michallangelo (the guy who painted the Vatican – Jewish/Italian).

But, yeah, the Jewish people are Bad – never contribute anything.

Muslims, good — they’ve done . … . well, they are really good at throwing rocks.

Pffft.[/quote]

Yasser Arafat was a terrorist only until 1988. After that, since he was a US friend, he all of a sudden became a very good guy. How strange. Anyway the Nobel peace prize is a joke.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
…even if in the Norwegian language[/quote]

What difference does the language make?[/quote]

Makes a lot of difference, pal. Can you imagine how those stories would read in the Canadian language?[/quote]
In the canadian bible david defeated goliath in a hockey match, then they shared some pancakes with maple syrup and canadian bacon(ham) and became best of freinds.

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[quote]Carl_ wrote:

Anyone not aggravated by this?

Criticism of Israel cannot automatically be perceived as Antisemitism, for sure. Endlessly pursuing that angle will ultimately end up hurting Israel itself.

But how can one not support basic (historical) Zionisism after this?[/quote]

Letting anti-western Muslims (are there any other kind?) into your country is a formula for disaster. People who worship death should be on the ‘No Admittance’ list.