[quote]Vonamberg wrote:
Zeb[quote]
Not really, you never explained how anyone could be loony enough to fall into such a cult. If someone told you that you were someday going to be a member of an organization that prohibited you from buying girl scout cookies you’d have said they were crazy. Unless of course you got into the cult as a child, in which case I feel sorry for you.[/quote]
Again about the girl scouts… are you getting a kick back or something? Personal choice no one has ever told me not to btw. Sorry to tell you but I was an adult. Since your so curious about me, when did you fall into to your sect?
-All earthly governments are controlled by the devil
Luke 4:5-8 So he brought him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time; 6�?� and the Devil said to him: �¢??I will give you all this authority and the glory of them, because it has been delivered to me, and to whomever I wish I give it. 7�?� You, therefore, if you do an act of worship before me, it will all be yours.�¢?? 8�?� In reply Jesus said to him: �¢??It is written, �¢??It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service
Matthew 4:8-11 Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, 9�?� and he said to him: �¢??All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.�¢?? 10�?� Then Jesus said to him: �¢??Go away, Satan! For it is written, �¢??It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.�¢??�¢?? 11�?� Then the Devil left him, and, look! angels came and began to minister to him.
Revelation 2:12-13 �¢??And to the angel of the congregation in Per�¢?�²ga�¢?�§mum write: These are the things that he says who has the sharp, long two-edged sword, 13�?� �¢??I know where you are dwelling, that is, where the throne of Satan is; and yet you keep on holding fast my name, and you did not deny your faith in me even in the days of An�¢?�²ti�¢?�§pas, my witness, the faithful one, who was killed by YOUR side, where Satan is dwelling
Revelation 12:9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
How could Satan offer Jesus the kingdoms of the world if he didnt control them? AS Revelation say Satan is here on earth misleading the entire world.
-The Holy Spirit is only available to this one cult
Luke 11:13 Therefore, if YOU, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to YOUR children, how much more so will the Father in heaven give holy spirit to those asking him!�¢??
Galatians 5:22-23 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, 23Ã??Ã? mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Ã??Ã?Â
As Luke says Jehovah gives Holy Spirit to those asking but you can recgonize those who have it by the fruitage they produce.
-There is no Hell
Revelation 12:9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
Revelation 20:1-3 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven with the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2�?� And he seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3�?� And he hurled him into the abyss and shut [it] and sealed [it] over him, that he might not mislead the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After these things he must be let loose for a little while.
Satan and his demons are confined to the earth not in a hell. Him and is demons will be confined in a pit for a 1000 years then he will be let out for a short time. Then he will be destroyed permanately.
-God is unable to be omnipresent or omniscient
-Omnipresent
1 King 8:49 you must also hear from the heavens, your established place of dwelling, their prayer and their request for favor, and you must execute judgment for them,
Hebrews 9:24 24�?� For Christ entered, not into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us.
Isaiah 66:1 This is what Jehovah has said: �¢??The heavens are my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Where, then, is the house that YOU people can build for me, and where, then, is the place as a resting-place for me?
Jehovah is in the heaven not every at once.
-Omniscient
Romans 9:10-13 Yet not that case alone, but also when Re�¢?�§bek�¢?�²ah conceived twins from the one [man], Isaac our forefather: 11�?� for when they had not yet been born nor had practiced anything good or vile, in order that the purpose of God respecting the choosing might continue dependent, not upon works, but upon the One who calls, 12�?� it was said to her: �¢??The older will be the slave of the younger.�¢?? 13�?� Just as it is written: �¢??I loved Jacob, but E�¢?�²sau I hated.�¢??
Ephesians 1:4-5 4�?� just as he chose us in union with him before the founding of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love. 5�?� For he foreordained us to the adoption through Jesus Christ as sons to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.
Yes Jehovah can see everything that has happened and will happen but that doesnt mean he has to use it. Example After creating adam and eve he saw everything was good and rested.If he knew they where going to sin do you think he would have rested? Would he have not stopped Cain from killing Abel who he loved? If Jehovah had foreknowledge, the opportunity to receive the benefits of Christ Jesus�¢?? ransom sacrifice were already irrevocably sealed off from some, perhaps for millions of people, even before their birth, so that such ones could never prove worthy, it could not truly be said that the ransom was made available to all men.
-There is no life after death except for 144,000 select members of this cult
John 10:16-18 And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd. 17�?� This is why the Father loves me, because I surrender my soul, in order that I may receive it again. 18�?� No man has taken it away from me, but I surrender it of my own initiative. I have authority to surrender it, and I have authority to receive it again. The commandment on this I received from my Father.
Revelation 21:1-4 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2�?� I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3�?� With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: �¢??Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4�?� And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.
John 5:25-30 25�?� �¢??Most truly I say to YOU, The hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who have given heed will live. 26�?� For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself. 27�?� And he has given him authority to do judging, because Son of man he is. 28�?� Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29�?� and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. 30�?� I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative; just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.
revelation 20:12-13 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. 13�?� And the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Ha�¢?�²des gave up those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds
After Jesus destroys this system of thing,paradise will be restored where the righteous will live forever as well as the dead will be resurrected.
-Jesus second coming happened in (LOL) secret in 1914
Mark 13:8 For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, there will be earthquakes in one place after another, there will be food shortages. These are a beginning of pangs of distress.
First Thessalonians 5:1-4 Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, YOU need nothing to be written to YOU. 2�?� For YOU yourselves know quite well that Jehovah�¢??s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. 3�?� Whenever it is that they are saying: �¢??Peace and security!�¢?? then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape. 4�?� But YOU, brothers, YOU are not in darkness, so that that day should overtake YOU as it would thieves
Matthew 24:29-30 �¢??Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30�?� And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Jesus has not come yet as the scriptures point out. In 1914 Jesus was anoited king in heaven and removed Satan and his demons from heaven which resulted in the first part of the sign at Mark 13:8 nations will rise against nation.
-Jesus Christ is a created being (like an angel) who one time did not exist
Revelation 3:14 And to the angel of the congregation in La�¢?�§o�¢?�§di�¢?�§ce�¢?�²a write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God.
John 6:56-57 He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and I in union with him. 57�?� Just as the living Father sent me forth and I live because of the Father, he also that feeds on me, even that one will live because of me.
John 6:42 Jesus said to them: �¢??If God were YOUR Father, YOU would love me, for from God I came forth and am here. Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth
Just like it says at rev 3:14 Jesus was the beginning of Jehovahs creation.
-Salvation can only be earned by being loyal to this one cult
Revelation 7:10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: �¢??Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.�¢??
Acts 4:12 Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.
Salavation is thru Jehovah.
-“The first” resurrection occurred in 1918
Revelation 20:4-5 And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years. 5�?� This is the first resurrection.
As you can see the first resurrection was of those of the 144000 who were dead. Example Peter Matthew Paul Timothy and who ever else was choosen and died. I have no idea of the date but it must have occured shortly after Jesus become king and threw satan to the earth.
-These cultists are not allowed to do any of the following; serve in the military, buy grils scout cookies, celebrate Christimas or Easter, or even their own birthday. Run for political office, vote, serve on a jury, own or wear a cross, donate blood, or accept a blood donation even in an emergency. salute the flag, be involved in martial arts, boxing or wrestling. They can’t even play Chess!
I have given you the reasons for christmas birthdays and easter, they are pagan holidays incorporated into your religion after 1000 ad. As for the rest…
Blood
Leviticus 3:17 It is a statute to time indefinite for YOUR generations, in all YOUR dwelling places: YOU must not eat any fat or any blood at all.
Deuteronomy 15:23 Only its blood you must not eat. Upon the earth you should pour it out as water
Acts 15:29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!�¢??
The bible clearly states we must not eat or use blood.
Political
John 17:15 �¢??I request you, not to take them out of the world, but to watch over them because of the wicked one. 16�?� They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.
Colossians 2:8-10 Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry YOU off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ; 9�?� because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily. 10�?� And so YOU are possessed of a fullness by means of him, who is the head of all government and authority.
Acts 5:29 In answer Peter and the [other] apostles said: �¢??We must obey God as ruler rather than men.
We obey all laws but we must obey god.
Violence
Psalms 11:5 Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one,
And anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates.
Last one… the cross
1 corinthians 10:14 Therefore, my beloved ones, flee from idolatry
Exodus 20:4-5 �¢??You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth. 5�?� You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them, because I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation, in the case of those who hate me;
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(With Glassy Eyes and a robotic sounding voice) Yes master…I read and obey…I will now knock on every door on my block and present to them the truth as our cult sees it.
(coming out of trance but still not quite back to reality)
I now realize that the 10’s of thousands of Christian Bible scholars who dedicated their lives to scripture interpretation have simply wasted their time. They should have just read the writings of a crazy old man from the 1800’s. How could I have been so wrong. Please mail me some of those cool pamphlets and I’ll hit the sidewalks as soon as the weather clears. Oh…and I will make sure to toss out those 6 boxes of GS cookies that my wife got suckered into buying from those evil little girls.
And now that I know there is no hell I can pretty much do what I want—what is it now you just disappear when you die? Is that it? Well, heck yeah that system is much nicer than the truth…err I mean those Christian lies. No punishment, and no reward either just POOF…Cool. And now that I’m doing away with Christmas (what self-respecting cult with have anything to do with celebrating Jesus Christ’s birthday anyway) I’ll be saving a bundle on presents. And no easter either so I don’t have to worry about all the chocolate bunny’s. That used to screw up my diet anyway. I’m going to looooove my new life in wacky land 
Once again I thank you so much for opening my eyes to the truth.