[quote]ZEB wrote:
Hey do you JW’s have quota’s? Do you have to knock on x amount of doors per day or pay a fine to the grand puba?[/quote]
that is the stupidest thing Ive seen you write since this began. There are no quotas no fines. Speaking of money how much is your tithe?
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You think that’s stupid? Here are some things that are really off the wall retarded.
There is a cult that believes the following:
-All earthly governments are controlled by the devil
-The Holy Spirit is only available to this one cult
-There is no Hell
-God is unable to be omnipresent or omniscient
-There is no life after death except for 144,000 select members of this cult
-Jesus second coming happened in (LOL) secret in 1914
-Jesus Christ is a created being (like an angel) who one time did not exist
-Salvation can only be earned by being loyal to this one cult
-“The first” resurrection occurred in 1918
-These cultists are not allowed to do any of the following; serve in the military, buy grils scout cookies, celebrate Christimas or Easter, or even their own birthday. Run for political office, vote, serve on a jury, own or wear a cross, donate blood, or accept a blood donation even in an emergency. salute the flag, be involved in martial arts, boxing or wrestling. They can’t even play Chess!
Can you imagine the IQ level of the pea brains that believe in these lies? LOL…no come on we can all join in laughing at this crap…OH WAIT…I guess you can’t huh?
Now now ZEB, as much as I disagree with the JW beliefs, we must be respectful. They themselves have been respectful and down grading anyone will not get anyone, anywhere and it only serves to make the other side mad. Christ would most definitely rebuke their ways, but then he would open up his arms and love them.
-All earthly governments are controlled by the devil
Luke 4:5-8 So he brought him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time; 6 and the Devil said to him: I will give you all this authority and the glory of them, because it has been delivered to me, and to whomever I wish I give it. 7 You, therefore, if you do an act of worship before me, it will all be yours. 8� In reply Jesus said to him: It is written, It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service
Matthew 4:8-11 Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, 9� and he said to him: All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me. 10 Then Jesus said to him: Go away, Satan! For it is written, It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service. 11 Then the Devil left him, and, look! angels came and began to minister to him.
Revelation 2:12-13 And to the angel of the congregation in Pergamum write: These are the things that he says who has the sharp, long two-edged sword,  13 know where you are dwelling, that is, where the throne of Satan is; and yet you keep on holding fast my name, and you did not deny your faith in me even in the days of Anâtiâpas, my witness, the faithful one, who was killed by YOUR side, where Satan is dwelling
Revelation 12:9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
How could Satan offer Jesus the kingdoms of the world if he didnt control them? AS Revelation say Satan is here on earth misleading the entire world.
-The Holy Spirit is only available to this one cult
Luke 11:13 Therefore, if YOU, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to YOUR children, how much more so will the Father in heaven give holy spirit to those asking him!
Galatians 5:22-23 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, 23� mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.
As Luke says Jehovah gives Holy Spirit to those asking but you can recgonize those who have it by the fruitage they produce.
-There is no Hell
Revelation 12:9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
Revelation 20:1-3 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven with the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2Â And he seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3Â And he hurled him into the abyss and shut [it] and sealed [it] over him, that he might not mislead the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After these things he must be let loose for a little while.
Satan and his demons are confined to the earth not in a hell. Him and is demons will be confined in a pit for a 1000 years then he will be let out for a short time. Then he will be destroyed permanately.
-God is unable to be omnipresent or omniscient
-Omnipresent
1 King 8:49 you must also hear from the heavens, your established place of dwelling, their prayer and their request for favor, and you must execute judgment for them,
Hebrews 9:24 24� For Christ entered, not into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us.
Isaiah 66:1 This is what Jehovah has said: The heavens are my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Where, then, is the house that YOU people can build for me, and where, then, is the place as a resting-place for me?
Jehovah is in the heaven not every at once.
-Omniscient
Romans 9:10-13 Yet not that case alone, but also when Rebekah conceived twins from the one [man], Isaac our forefather: 11� for when they had not yet been born nor had practiced anything good or vile, in order that the purpose of God respecting the choosing might continue dependent, not upon works, but upon the One who calls, 12� it was said to her: â??The older will be the slave of the younger.â?? 13� Just as it is written: I loved Jacob, but Eâsau I hated.
Ephesians 1:4-5 4Â just as he chose us in union with him before the founding of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love. 5Â For he foreordained us to the adoption through Jesus Christ as sons to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.
Yes Jehovah can see everything that has happened and will happen but that doesnt mean he has to use it. Example After creating adam and eve he saw everything was good and rested.If he knew they where going to sin do you think he would have rested? Would he have not stopped Cain from killing Abel who he loved? If Jehovah had foreknowledge, the opportunity to receive the benefits of Christ Jesusâ?? ransom sacrifice were already irrevocably sealed off from some, perhaps for millions of people, even before their birth, so that such ones could never prove worthy, it could not truly be said that the ransom was made available to all men.
-There is no life after death except for 144,000 select members of this cult
John 10:16-18 And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd. 17Â This is why the Father loves me, because I surrender my soul, in order that I may receive it again. 18Â No man has taken it away from me, but I surrender it of my own initiative. I have authority to surrender it, and I have authority to receive it again. The commandment on this I received from my Father.
Revelation 21:1-4 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2Â I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3Â With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4Â And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.
John 5:25-30 25 Most truly I say to YOU, The hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who have given heed will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to do judging, because Son of man he is. 28� Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29� and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. 30� I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative; just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.
revelation 20:12-13 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Haâdes gave up those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds
After Jesus destroys this system of thing,paradise will be restored where the righteous will live forever as well as the dead will be resurrected.
-Jesus second coming happened in (LOL) secret in 1914
Mark 13:8 For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, there will be earthquakes in one place after another, there will be food shortages. These are a beginning of pangs of distress.
First Thessalonians 5:1-4 Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, YOU need nothing to be written to YOU. 2� For YOU yourselves know quite well that Jehovahs day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. 3� Whenever it is that they are saying: Peace and security then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape. 4 But YOU, brothers, YOU are not in darkness, so that that day should overtake YOU as it would thieves
Matthew 24:29-30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Â And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Jesus has not come yet as the scriptures point out. In 1914 Jesus was anoited king in heaven and removed Satan and his demons from heaven which resulted in the first part of the sign at Mark 13:8 nations will rise against nation.
-Jesus Christ is a created being (like an angel) who one time did not exist
Revelation 3:14 And to the angel of the congregation in Laodiâ write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God.
John 6:56-57 He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and I in union with him. 57Â Just as the living Father sent me forth and I live because of the Father, he also that feeds on me, even that one will live because of me.
John 6:42 Jesus said to them: If God were YOUR Father, YOU would love me, for from God I came forth and am here. Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth
Just like it says at rev 3:14 Jesus was the beginning of Jehovahs creation.
-Salvation can only be earned by being loyal to this one cult
Revelation 7:10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.
Acts 4:12 Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.
Salavation is thru Jehovah.
-“The first” resurrection occurred in 1918
Revelation 20:4-5 And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years. 5� This is the first resurrection.
As you can see the first resurrection was of those of the 144000 who were dead. Example Peter Matthew Paul Timothy and who ever else was choosen and died. I have no idea of the date but it must have occured shortly after Jesus become king and threw satan to the earth.
-These cultists are not allowed to do any of the following; serve in the military, buy grils scout cookies, celebrate Christimas or Easter, or even their own birthday. Run for political office, vote, serve on a jury, own or wear a cross, donate blood, or accept a blood donation even in an emergency. salute the flag, be involved in martial arts, boxing or wrestling. They can’t even play Chess!
I have given you the reasons for christmas birthdays and easter, they are pagan holidays incorporated into your religion after 1000 ad. As for the rest…
Blood
Leviticus 3:17 It is a statute to time indefinite for YOUR generations, in all YOUR dwelling places: YOU must not eat any fat or any blood at all.
Deuteronomy 15:23 Only its blood you must not eat. Upon the earth you should pour it out as water
Acts 15:29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!
The bible clearly states we must not eat or use blood.
Political
John 17:15 I request you, not to take them out of the world, but to watch over them because of the wicked one. 16Â They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.
Colossians 2:8-10 Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry YOU off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ; 9Â because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily. 10Â And so YOU are possessed of a fullness by means of him, who is the head of all government and authority.
Acts 5:29 In answer Peter and the [other] apostles said: We must obey God as ruler rather than men.
We obey all laws but we must obey god.
Violence
Psalms 11:5 Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one,
And anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates.
Last one… the cross
1 corinthians 10:14 Therefore, my beloved ones, flee from idolatry
Exodus 20:4-5 You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth. 5� You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them, because I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation, in the case of those who hate me;
[quote]forbes wrote:
Now now ZEB, as much as I disagree with the JW beliefs, we must be respectful. They themselves have been respectful and down grading anyone will not get anyone, anywhere and it only serves to make the other side mad. Christ would most definitely rebuke their ways, but then he would open up his arms and love them.[/quote]
I think you have that all wrong. Christ never allowed any sort of twisting of the scriptures and told the Devil where to go when he tried twisting the scriptures as do the JW’s. He further showed moral indignation when they tried to turn the temple into a den of iniquity. I think I’m on the right track here. This group is absolutly NOT of God and I will treat it as such.
[quote]Vonamberg wrote:
-All earthly governments are controlled by the devil
Luke 4:5-8 So he brought him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time; 6� and the Devil said to him: I will give you all this authority and the glory of them, because it has been delivered to me, and to whomever I wish I give it. 7� You, therefore, if you do an act of worship before me, it will all be yours. 8�?� In reply Jesus said to him: It is written, It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service
Matthew 4:8-11 Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, 9�?� and he said to him: All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me. 10� Then Jesus said to him: Go away, Satan! For it is written, It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service. 11� Then the Devil left him, and, look! angels came and began to minister to him.
Revelation 2:12-13 And to the angel of the congregation in Pergamum write: These are the things that he says who has the sharp, long two-edged sword, � 13 know where you are dwelling, that is, where the throne of Satan is; and yet you keep on holding fast my name, and you did not deny your faith in me even in the days of An�¢ti�¢pas, my witness, the faithful one, who was killed by YOUR side, where Satan is dwelling
Revelation 12:9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
How could Satan offer Jesus the kingdoms of the world if he didnt control them? AS Revelation say Satan is here on earth misleading the entire world.
-The Holy Spirit is only available to this one cult
Luke 11:13 Therefore, if YOU, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to YOUR children, how much more so will the Father in heaven give holy spirit to those asking him!
Galatians 5:22-23 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, 23�?� mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.
As Luke says Jehovah gives Holy Spirit to those asking but you can recgonize those who have it by the fruitage they produce.
-There is no Hell
Revelation 12:9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
Revelation 20:1-3 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven with the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2� And he seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3� And he hurled him into the abyss and shut [it] and sealed [it] over him, that he might not mislead the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After these things he must be let loose for a little while.
Satan and his demons are confined to the earth not in a hell. Him and is demons will be confined in a pit for a 1000 years then he will be let out for a short time. Then he will be destroyed permanately.
-God is unable to be omnipresent or omniscient
-Omnipresent
1 King 8:49 you must also hear from the heavens, your established place of dwelling, their prayer and their request for favor, and you must execute judgment for them,
Hebrews 9:24 24�?� For Christ entered, not into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us.
Isaiah 66:1 This is what Jehovah has said: The heavens are my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Where, then, is the house that YOU people can build for me, and where, then, is the place as a resting-place for me?
Jehovah is in the heaven not every at once.
-Omniscient
Romans 9:10-13 Yet not that case alone, but also when Rebekah conceived twins from the one [man], Isaac our forefather: 11�?� for when they had not yet been born nor had practiced anything good or vile, in order that the purpose of God respecting the choosing might continue dependent, not upon works, but upon the One who calls, 12�?� it was said to her: �¢??The older will be the slave of the younger.�¢?? 13�?� Just as it is written: I loved Jacob, but E�¢sau I hated.
Ephesians 1:4-5 4� just as he chose us in union with him before the founding of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love. 5� For he foreordained us to the adoption through Jesus Christ as sons to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.
Yes Jehovah can see everything that has happened and will happen but that doesnt mean he has to use it. Example After creating adam and eve he saw everything was good and rested.If he knew they where going to sin do you think he would have rested? Would he have not stopped Cain from killing Abel who he loved? If Jehovah had foreknowledge, the opportunity to receive the benefits of Christ Jesus�¢?? ransom sacrifice were already irrevocably sealed off from some, perhaps for millions of people, even before their birth, so that such ones could never prove worthy, it could not truly be said that the ransom was made available to all men.
-There is no life after death except for 144,000 select members of this cult
John 10:16-18 And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd. 17� This is why the Father loves me, because I surrender my soul, in order that I may receive it again. 18� No man has taken it away from me, but I surrender it of my own initiative. I have authority to surrender it, and I have authority to receive it again. The commandment on this I received from my Father.
Revelation 21:1-4 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2� I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3� With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4� And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.
John 5:25-30 25 Most truly I say to YOU, The hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who have given heed will live. 26� For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself. 27� And he has given him authority to do judging, because Son of man he is. 28�?� Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29�?� and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. 30�?� I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative; just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.
revelation 20:12-13 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. 13� And the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Ha�¢des gave up those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds
After Jesus destroys this system of thing,paradise will be restored where the righteous will live forever as well as the dead will be resurrected.
-Jesus second coming happened in (LOL) secret in 1914
Mark 13:8 For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, there will be earthquakes in one place after another, there will be food shortages. These are a beginning of pangs of distress.
First Thessalonians 5:1-4 Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, YOU need nothing to be written to YOU. 2�?� For YOU yourselves know quite well that Jehovahs day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. 3�?� Whenever it is that they are saying: Peace and security then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape. 4� But YOU, brothers, YOU are not in darkness, so that that day should overtake YOU as it would thieves
Matthew 24:29-30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30� And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Jesus has not come yet as the scriptures point out. In 1914 Jesus was anoited king in heaven and removed Satan and his demons from heaven which resulted in the first part of the sign at Mark 13:8 nations will rise against nation.
-Jesus Christ is a created being (like an angel) who one time did not exist
Revelation 3:14 And to the angel of the congregation in Laodi�¢ write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God.
John 6:56-57 He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and I in union with him. 57� Just as the living Father sent me forth and I live because of the Father, he also that feeds on me, even that one will live because of me.
John 6:42 Jesus said to them: If God were YOUR Father, YOU would love me, for from God I came forth and am here. Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth
Just like it says at rev 3:14 Jesus was the beginning of Jehovahs creation.
-Salvation can only be earned by being loyal to this one cult
Revelation 7:10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.
Acts 4:12 Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.
Salavation is thru Jehovah.
-“The first” resurrection occurred in 1918
Revelation 20:4-5 And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years. 5�?� This is the first resurrection.
As you can see the first resurrection was of those of the 144000 who were dead. Example Peter Matthew Paul Timothy and who ever else was choosen and died. I have no idea of the date but it must have occured shortly after Jesus become king and threw satan to the earth.
-These cultists are not allowed to do any of the following; serve in the military, buy grils scout cookies, celebrate Christimas or Easter, or even their own birthday. Run for political office, vote, serve on a jury, own or wear a cross, donate blood, or accept a blood donation even in an emergency. salute the flag, be involved in martial arts, boxing or wrestling. They can’t even play Chess!
I have given you the reasons for christmas birthdays and easter, they are pagan holidays incorporated into your religion after 1000 ad. As for the rest…
Blood
Leviticus 3:17 It is a statute to time indefinite for YOUR generations, in all YOUR dwelling places: YOU must not eat any fat or any blood at all.
Deuteronomy 15:23 Only its blood you must not eat. Upon the earth you should pour it out as water
Acts 15:29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!
The bible clearly states we must not eat or use blood.
Political
John 17:15 I request you, not to take them out of the world, but to watch over them because of the wicked one. 16� They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.
Colossians 2:8-10 Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry YOU off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ; 9� because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily. 10� And so YOU are possessed of a fullness by means of him, who is the head of all government and authority.
Acts 5:29 In answer Peter and the [other] apostles said: We must obey God as ruler rather than men.
We obey all laws but we must obey god.
Violence
Psalms 11:5 Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one,
And anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates.
Last one… the cross
1 corinthians 10:14 Therefore, my beloved ones, flee from idolatry
Exodus 20:4-5 You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth. 5�?� You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them, because I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation, in the case of those who hate me;
Oh btw I enjoy playing chess
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Then you better stick to chess and drop this JW nonsense.
Once again these things cannot be justified by anything in the scripture. But you can twist it and turn it until you have rationalized such things. And that is exactly what JW do best.
Now tell us again why you think some of the things that you do?
-All earthly governments are controlled by the devil (come on fess up on this one it’s one of the best)
-The Holy Spirit is only available to this one cult
-There is no Hell
-God is unable to be omnipresent or omniscient
-There is no life after death except for 144,000 select members of this cult
-Jesus second coming happened in (LOL) secret in 1914
-Jesus Christ is a created being (like an angel) who one time did not exist
-Salvation can only be earned by being loyal to this one cult
-“The first” resurrection occurred in 1918
-These cultists are not allowed to do any of the following; serve in the military, buy girl scout cookies, celebrate Christmas or Easter, or even their own birthday. Run for political office, vote, serve on a jury, own or wear a cross, donate blood, or accept a blood donation even in an emergency. salute the flag, be involved in martial arts, boxing or wrestling. They can’t even play Chess!
Come on what did the girl scouts ever do to you? LOL
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Hey do you JW’s have quota’s? Do you have to knock on x amount of doors per day or pay a fine to the grand puba?[/quote]
that is the stupidest thing Ive seen you write since this began. There are no quotas no fines. Speaking of money how much is your tithe?
[/quote]
You think that’s stupid? Here are some things that are really off the wall retarded.
There is a cult that believes the following:
-All earthly governments are controlled by the devil
-The Holy Spirit is only available to this one cult
-There is no Hell
-God is unable to be omnipresent or omniscient
-There is no life after death except for 144,000 select members of this cult
-Jesus second coming happened in (LOL) secret in 1914
-Jesus Christ is a created being (like an angel) who one time did not exist
-Salvation can only be earned by being loyal to this one cult
-“The first” resurrection occurred in 1918
-These cultists are not allowed to do any of the following; serve in the military, buy grils scout cookies, celebrate Christimas or Easter, or even their own birthday. Run for political office, vote, serve on a jury, own or wear a cross, donate blood, or accept a blood donation even in an emergency. salute the flag, be involved in martial arts, boxing or wrestling. They can’t even play Chess!
Can you imagine the IQ level of the pea brains that believe in these lies? LOL…no come on we can all join in laughing at this crap…OH WAIT…I guess you can’t huh?
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Yeah, I know, right?
Who in his right mind would believe that nonsense?
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
ZEB, are you saying that what was written in Vonamburg’s post is incorrect about holiday and birthday celebrations is incorrect? [/quote]
(Eye Roll) No one ever said that the day we celebrate Christ’s birthday is the actual day he was born.
Anyone with an IQ higher than their shoe size knows this stuff. Let’s not do this anymore okay?
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For someone who claims to be a follower of Jesus’ teachings, you are quite a haughty person.
So you KNOW that these holidays all have very clear pagan origins, and yet you choose to celebrate them. [/quote]
Christmas was put there for a very good reason. I’ll have to get back to you on the reason, because I have to take care of myself since I have become under the weather.
For someone who claims to be a follower of Jesus’ teachings, you are quite a haughty person.[/quote]
And for someone who claims to be a Christian you are…oh that’s right you don’t claim to be a Christian you’re in a cult. That sucks huh?
Yeah, cool how we co-Opted the pagan holidays and made them Christian holidays. Kudos to us right? Oh that’s right you don’t like that hmm…Maybe we should talk about it endlessly page after page? No, we already did that. I dunno I’m fresh out of ideas. You?
…CHRIST IS ONLY AN ANGEL!!
Sorry sometimes I break out into crazy JW comments…I don’t mean them. But you do AHHHHHHH…
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Correct, you are sharing celebrations with pagan religions. There is no need for endless debate. There is no need for any debate, really. [/quote]
You say “sharing” because part of your mission is to denigrate the Christian faith. But if millions of Christians are worshiping Jesus Christ (as the only son of God by the way) on Christmas day I think we’ve (Christians) won that one. But feel free to continue to degrade the Christian faith it’s what you guys do best.
Remove Hell, lower Jesus Christ’s stature…yeah you guys are a cult and a pretty evil one at that.
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This has always been my stance on it, I follow the truth no matter where it leads me. So, if that means I’m a pagan because I follow the truth, then so be it (or Amen in Hebrew).
What did the Girl Scouts of America ever do to the JW’s? Come on gang lighten up on the girls, bye some cookies. Will the grand puba throw you out for buying GS cookies?
(shaking head) Yeah you guys got your act together for sure.
[quote]mse2us wrote:
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things and by means of him all other things were made to exist.
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Just read that again. Image of the invisible God. Firstborn of all creation, if you read the rest of the verse…it’s saying he was before anything else. And the verse also attributes all creation to Jesus, that is a little blasphemous if Jesus isn’t God. Didn’t God create the Angels? It just said Jesus did, Jesus created himself? I do not think so. He is before all things? ALL THINGS? That means he’s before Jehovah, God? What?? Blasphemy!
Oh, and your translators forgot to change something, "In answer Thomas said to him: â??My Lord and my God!â?? Thomas must be a blasphemer like Jesus. He just called Jesus’ his God. Thomas said to HIM…My Lord AND my God…must be a Catholic.
For someone who claims to be a follower of Jesus’ teachings, you are quite a haughty person.[/quote]
And for someone who claims to be a Christian you are…oh that’s right you don’t claim to be a Christian you’re in a cult. That sucks huh?
Yeah, cool how we co-Opted the pagan holidays and made them Christian holidays. Kudos to us right? Oh that’s right you don’t like that hmm…Maybe we should talk about it endlessly page after page? No, we already did that. I dunno I’m fresh out of ideas. You?
…CHRIST IS ONLY AN ANGEL!!
Sorry sometimes I break out into crazy JW comments…I don’t mean them. But you do AHHHHHHH…
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Correct, you are sharing celebrations with pagan religions. There is no need for endless debate. There is no need for any debate, really. [/quote]
You say “sharing” because part of your mission is to denigrate the Christian faith. But if millions of Christians are worshiping Jesus Christ (as the only son of God by the way) on Christmas day I think we’ve (Christians) won that one. But feel free to continue to degrade the Christian faith it’s what you guys do best.
Remove Hell, lower Jesus Christ’s stature…yeah you guys are a cult and a pretty evil one at that.
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matthew 28:18-20 18� And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: â??All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19� Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20� teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.â??
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So, God gave Jesus all authority…ALL Authority both in heaven and on the earth? So, basically he has the authorities of God…yet is not God. That is one and the same interesting and contradictory. And this verse doesn’t say when Jesus was given that authority.
I’ll leave you with another verse, “In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2 This one was in [the] beginning with God. 3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.”
So, the Word, which is Jesus, in the beginning was…he just was…the Word was with God…okay, so Jesus was with God in the beginning…and the Word was a(?) god. So, either there is two Gods or Jesus is God.
Again, This one was in the beginning with God. All things came into existence through him…okay, so all things if Jesus is just an Angel how did he come into existence through himself? And If he was created then how could he exist if not even one thin came into existence…apart from him.
[quote]Vonamberg wrote:
-All earthly governments are controlled by the devil
Luke 4:5-8 So he brought him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time; 6�?� and the Devil said to him: I will give you all this authority and the glory of them, because it has been delivered to me, and to whomever I wish I give it. 7�?� You, therefore, if you do an act of worship before me, it will all be yours. 8�??�?� In reply Jesus said to him: It is written, It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service
Matthew 4:8-11 Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, 9�??�?� and he said to him: All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me. 10�?� Then Jesus said to him: Go away, Satan! For it is written, It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service. 11�?� Then the Devil left him, and, look! angels came and began to minister to him.
Revelation 2:12-13 And to the angel of the congregation in Pergamum write: These are the things that he says who has the sharp, long two-edged sword, �?� 13 know where you are dwelling, that is, where the throne of Satan is; and yet you keep on holding fast my name, and you did not deny your faith in me even in the days of An�?�¢ti�?�¢pas, my witness, the faithful one, who was killed by YOUR side, where Satan is dwelling
Revelation 12:9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
How could Satan offer Jesus the kingdoms of the world if he didnt control them? AS Revelation say Satan is here on earth misleading the entire world.
-The Holy Spirit is only available to this one cult
Luke 11:13 Therefore, if YOU, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to YOUR children, how much more so will the Father in heaven give holy spirit to those asking him!
Galatians 5:22-23 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, 23�??�?� mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.
As Luke says Jehovah gives Holy Spirit to those asking but you can recgonize those who have it by the fruitage they produce.
-There is no Hell
Revelation 12:9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
Revelation 20:1-3 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven with the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2�?� And he seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3�?� And he hurled him into the abyss and shut [it] and sealed [it] over him, that he might not mislead the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After these things he must be let loose for a little while.
Satan and his demons are confined to the earth not in a hell. Him and is demons will be confined in a pit for a 1000 years then he will be let out for a short time. Then he will be destroyed permanately.
-God is unable to be omnipresent or omniscient
-Omnipresent
1 King 8:49 you must also hear from the heavens, your established place of dwelling, their prayer and their request for favor, and you must execute judgment for them,
Hebrews 9:24 24�??�?� For Christ entered, not into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us.
Isaiah 66:1 This is what Jehovah has said: The heavens are my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Where, then, is the house that YOU people can build for me, and where, then, is the place as a resting-place for me?
Jehovah is in the heaven not every at once.
-Omniscient
Romans 9:10-13 Yet not that case alone, but also when Rebekah conceived twins from the one [man], Isaac our forefather: 11�??�?� for when they had not yet been born nor had practiced anything good or vile, in order that the purpose of God respecting the choosing might continue dependent, not upon works, but upon the One who calls, 12�??�?� it was said to her: �?�¢??The older will be the slave of the younger.�?�¢?? 13�??�?� Just as it is written: I loved Jacob, but E�?�¢sau I hated.
Ephesians 1:4-5 4�?� just as he chose us in union with him before the founding of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love. 5�?� For he foreordained us to the adoption through Jesus Christ as sons to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.
Yes Jehovah can see everything that has happened and will happen but that doesnt mean he has to use it. Example After creating adam and eve he saw everything was good and rested.If he knew they where going to sin do you think he would have rested? Would he have not stopped Cain from killing Abel who he loved? If Jehovah had foreknowledge, the opportunity to receive the benefits of Christ Jesus�?�¢?? ransom sacrifice were already irrevocably sealed off from some, perhaps for millions of people, even before their birth, so that such ones could never prove worthy, it could not truly be said that the ransom was made available to all men.
-There is no life after death except for 144,000 select members of this cult
John 10:16-18 And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd. 17�?� This is why the Father loves me, because I surrender my soul, in order that I may receive it again. 18�?� No man has taken it away from me, but I surrender it of my own initiative. I have authority to surrender it, and I have authority to receive it again. The commandment on this I received from my Father.
Revelation 21:1-4 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2�?� I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3�?� With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4�?� And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.
John 5:25-30 25 Most truly I say to YOU, The hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who have given heed will live. 26�?� For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself. 27�?� And he has given him authority to do judging, because Son of man he is. 28�??�?� Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29�??�?� and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. 30�??�?� I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative; just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.
revelation 20:12-13 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. 13�?� And the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Ha�?�¢des gave up those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds
After Jesus destroys this system of thing,paradise will be restored where the righteous will live forever as well as the dead will be resurrected.
-Jesus second coming happened in (LOL) secret in 1914
Mark 13:8 For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, there will be earthquakes in one place after another, there will be food shortages. These are a beginning of pangs of distress.
First Thessalonians 5:1-4 Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, YOU need nothing to be written to YOU. 2�??�?� For YOU yourselves know quite well that Jehovahs day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. 3�??�?� Whenever it is that they are saying: Peace and security then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape. 4�?� But YOU, brothers, YOU are not in darkness, so that that day should overtake YOU as it would thieves
Matthew 24:29-30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30�?� And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Jesus has not come yet as the scriptures point out. In 1914 Jesus was anoited king in heaven and removed Satan and his demons from heaven which resulted in the first part of the sign at Mark 13:8 nations will rise against nation.
-Jesus Christ is a created being (like an angel) who one time did not exist
Revelation 3:14 And to the angel of the congregation in Laodi�?�¢ write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God.
John 6:56-57 He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and I in union with him. 57�?� Just as the living Father sent me forth and I live because of the Father, he also that feeds on me, even that one will live because of me.
John 6:42 Jesus said to them: If God were YOUR Father, YOU would love me, for from God I came forth and am here. Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth
Just like it says at rev 3:14 Jesus was the beginning of Jehovahs creation.
-Salvation can only be earned by being loyal to this one cult
Revelation 7:10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.
Acts 4:12 Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.
Salavation is thru Jehovah.
-“The first” resurrection occurred in 1918
Revelation 20:4-5 And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years. 5�??�?� This is the first resurrection.
As you can see the first resurrection was of those of the 144000 who were dead. Example Peter Matthew Paul Timothy and who ever else was choosen and died. I have no idea of the date but it must have occured shortly after Jesus become king and threw satan to the earth.
-These cultists are not allowed to do any of the following; serve in the military, buy grils scout cookies, celebrate Christimas or Easter, or even their own birthday. Run for political office, vote, serve on a jury, own or wear a cross, donate blood, or accept a blood donation even in an emergency. salute the flag, be involved in martial arts, boxing or wrestling. They can’t even play Chess!
I have given you the reasons for christmas birthdays and easter, they are pagan holidays incorporated into your religion after 1000 ad. As for the rest…
Blood
Leviticus 3:17 It is a statute to time indefinite for YOUR generations, in all YOUR dwelling places: YOU must not eat any fat or any blood at all.
Deuteronomy 15:23 Only its blood you must not eat. Upon the earth you should pour it out as water
Acts 15:29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!
The bible clearly states we must not eat or use blood.
Political
John 17:15 I request you, not to take them out of the world, but to watch over them because of the wicked one. 16�?� They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.
Colossians 2:8-10 Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry YOU off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ; 9�?� because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily. 10�?� And so YOU are possessed of a fullness by means of him, who is the head of all government and authority.
Acts 5:29 In answer Peter and the [other] apostles said: We must obey God as ruler rather than men.
We obey all laws but we must obey god.
Violence
Psalms 11:5 Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one,
And anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates.
Last one… the cross
1 corinthians 10:14 Therefore, my beloved ones, flee from idolatry
Exodus 20:4-5 You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth. 5�??�?� You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them, because I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation, in the case of those who hate me;
Oh btw I enjoy playing chess
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Then you better stick to chess and drop this JW nonsense.
Once again these things cannot be justified by anything in the scripture. But you can twist it and turn it until you have rationalized such things. And that is exactly what JW do best.
Now tell us again why you think some of the things that you do?
-All earthly governments are controlled by the devil (come on fess up on this one it’s one of the best)
-The Holy Spirit is only available to this one cult
-There is no Hell
-God is unable to be omnipresent or omniscient
-There is no life after death except for 144,000 select members of this cult
-Jesus second coming happened in (LOL) secret in 1914
-Jesus Christ is a created being (like an angel) who one time did not exist
-Salvation can only be earned by being loyal to this one cult
-“The first” resurrection occurred in 1918
-These cultists are not allowed to do any of the following; serve in the military, buy girl scout cookies, celebrate Christmas or Easter, or even their own birthday. Run for political office, vote, serve on a jury, own or wear a cross, donate blood, or accept a blood donation even in an emergency. salute the flag, be involved in martial arts, boxing or wrestling. They can’t even play Chess!
Come on what did the girl scouts ever do to you? LOL
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Nothing by it is training for a military and associated with religion.
For someone who claims to be a follower of Jesus’ teachings, you are quite a haughty person.[/quote]
And for someone who claims to be a Christian you are…oh that’s right you don’t claim to be a Christian you’re in a cult. That sucks huh?
Yeah, cool how we co-Opted the pagan holidays and made them Christian holidays. Kudos to us right? Oh that’s right you don’t like that hmm…Maybe we should talk about it endlessly page after page? No, we already did that. I dunno I’m fresh out of ideas. You?
…CHRIST IS ONLY AN ANGEL!!
Sorry sometimes I break out into crazy JW comments…I don’t mean them. But you do AHHHHHHH…
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Correct, you are sharing celebrations with pagan religions. There is no need for endless debate. There is no need for any debate, really. [/quote]
You say “sharing” because part of your mission is to denigrate the Christian faith. But if millions of Christians are worshiping Jesus Christ (as the only son of God by the way) on Christmas day I think we’ve (Christians) won that one. But feel free to continue to degrade the Christian faith it’s what you guys do best.
Remove Hell, lower Jesus Christ’s stature…yeah you guys are a cult and a pretty evil one at that.
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matthew 28:18-20 18�?� And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: �¢??All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19�?� Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20�?� teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.�¢??
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So, God gave Jesus all authority…ALL Authority both in heaven and on the earth? So, basically he has the authorities of God…yet is not God. That is one and the same interesting and contradictory. And this verse doesn’t say when Jesus was given that authority.
I’ll leave you with another verse, “In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2 This one was in [the] beginning with God. 3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.”
So, the Word, which is Jesus, in the beginning was…he just was…the Word was with God…okay, so Jesus was with God in the beginning…and the Word was a(?) god. So, either there is two Gods or Jesus is God.
Again, This one was in the beginning with God. All things came into existence through him…okay, so all things if Jesus is just an Angel how did he come into existence through himself? And If he was created then how could he exist if not even one thin came into existence…apart from him.
Interesting.[/quote]
So explain to me how can jesus be with god and be god?
colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
revelation 3:4 And to the angel of the congregation in Laâ?§oâ?§diâ?§ceâ?²a write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God.
These 2 verse explain clearly that Jesus was the first creation of Jehovah.
[quote]Vonamberg wrote:
-All earthly governments are controlled by the devil
Luke 4:5-8 So he brought him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time; 6�??�?� and the Devil said to him: I will give you all this authority and the glory of them, because it has been delivered to me, and to whomever I wish I give it. 7�??�?� You, therefore, if you do an act of worship before me, it will all be yours. 8�??�??�?� In reply Jesus said to him: It is written, It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service
Matthew 4:8-11 Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, 9�??�??�?� and he said to him: All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me. 10�??�?� Then Jesus said to him: Go away, Satan! For it is written, It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service. 11�??�?� Then the Devil left him, and, look! angels came and began to minister to him.
Revelation 2:12-13 And to the angel of the congregation in Pergamum write: These are the things that he says who has the sharp, long two-edged sword, �??�?� 13 know where you are dwelling, that is, where the throne of Satan is; and yet you keep on holding fast my name, and you did not deny your faith in me even in the days of An�??�?�¢ti�??�?�¢pas, my witness, the faithful one, who was killed by YOUR side, where Satan is dwelling
Revelation 12:9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
How could Satan offer Jesus the kingdoms of the world if he didnt control them? AS Revelation say Satan is here on earth misleading the entire world.
-The Holy Spirit is only available to this one cult
Luke 11:13 Therefore, if YOU, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to YOUR children, how much more so will the Father in heaven give holy spirit to those asking him!
Galatians 5:22-23 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, 23�??�??�?� mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.
As Luke says Jehovah gives Holy Spirit to those asking but you can recgonize those who have it by the fruitage they produce.
-There is no Hell
Revelation 12:9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
Revelation 20:1-3 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven with the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2�??�?� And he seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3�??�?� And he hurled him into the abyss and shut [it] and sealed [it] over him, that he might not mislead the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After these things he must be let loose for a little while.
Satan and his demons are confined to the earth not in a hell. Him and is demons will be confined in a pit for a 1000 years then he will be let out for a short time. Then he will be destroyed permanately.
-God is unable to be omnipresent or omniscient
-Omnipresent
1 King 8:49 you must also hear from the heavens, your established place of dwelling, their prayer and their request for favor, and you must execute judgment for them,
Hebrews 9:24 24�??�??�?� For Christ entered, not into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us.
Isaiah 66:1 This is what Jehovah has said: The heavens are my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Where, then, is the house that YOU people can build for me, and where, then, is the place as a resting-place for me?
Jehovah is in the heaven not every at once.
-Omniscient
Romans 9:10-13 Yet not that case alone, but also when Rebekah conceived twins from the one [man], Isaac our forefather: 11�??�??�?� for when they had not yet been born nor had practiced anything good or vile, in order that the purpose of God respecting the choosing might continue dependent, not upon works, but upon the One who calls, 12�??�??�?� it was said to her: �??�?�¢??The older will be the slave of the younger.�??�?�¢?? 13�??�??�?� Just as it is written: I loved Jacob, but E�??�?�¢sau I hated.
Ephesians 1:4-5 4�??�?� just as he chose us in union with him before the founding of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love. 5�??�?� For he foreordained us to the adoption through Jesus Christ as sons to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.
Yes Jehovah can see everything that has happened and will happen but that doesnt mean he has to use it. Example After creating adam and eve he saw everything was good and rested.If he knew they where going to sin do you think he would have rested? Would he have not stopped Cain from killing Abel who he loved? If Jehovah had foreknowledge, the opportunity to receive the benefits of Christ Jesus�??�?�¢?? ransom sacrifice were already irrevocably sealed off from some, perhaps for millions of people, even before their birth, so that such ones could never prove worthy, it could not truly be said that the ransom was made available to all men.
-There is no life after death except for 144,000 select members of this cult
John 10:16-18 And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd. 17�??�?� This is why the Father loves me, because I surrender my soul, in order that I may receive it again. 18�??�?� No man has taken it away from me, but I surrender it of my own initiative. I have authority to surrender it, and I have authority to receive it again. The commandment on this I received from my Father.
Revelation 21:1-4 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2�??�?� I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3�??�?� With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4�??�?� And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.
John 5:25-30 25 Most truly I say to YOU, The hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who have given heed will live. 26�??�?� For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself. 27�??�?� And he has given him authority to do judging, because Son of man he is. 28�??�??�?� Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29�??�??�?� and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. 30�??�??�?� I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative; just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.
revelation 20:12-13 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. 13�??�?� And the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Ha�??�?�¢des gave up those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds
After Jesus destroys this system of thing,paradise will be restored where the righteous will live forever as well as the dead will be resurrected.
-Jesus second coming happened in (LOL) secret in 1914
Mark 13:8 For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, there will be earthquakes in one place after another, there will be food shortages. These are a beginning of pangs of distress.
First Thessalonians 5:1-4 Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, YOU need nothing to be written to YOU. 2�??�??�?� For YOU yourselves know quite well that Jehovahs day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. 3�??�??�?� Whenever it is that they are saying: Peace and security then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape. 4�??�?� But YOU, brothers, YOU are not in darkness, so that that day should overtake YOU as it would thieves
Matthew 24:29-30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30�??�?� And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Jesus has not come yet as the scriptures point out. In 1914 Jesus was anoited king in heaven and removed Satan and his demons from heaven which resulted in the first part of the sign at Mark 13:8 nations will rise against nation.
-Jesus Christ is a created being (like an angel) who one time did not exist
Revelation 3:14 And to the angel of the congregation in Laodi�??�?�¢ write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God.
John 6:56-57 He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and I in union with him. 57�??�?� Just as the living Father sent me forth and I live because of the Father, he also that feeds on me, even that one will live because of me.
John 6:42 Jesus said to them: If God were YOUR Father, YOU would love me, for from God I came forth and am here. Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth
Just like it says at rev 3:14 Jesus was the beginning of Jehovahs creation.
-Salvation can only be earned by being loyal to this one cult
Revelation 7:10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.
Acts 4:12 Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.
Salavation is thru Jehovah.
-“The first” resurrection occurred in 1918
Revelation 20:4-5 And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years. 5�??�??�?� This is the first resurrection.
As you can see the first resurrection was of those of the 144000 who were dead. Example Peter Matthew Paul Timothy and who ever else was choosen and died. I have no idea of the date but it must have occured shortly after Jesus become king and threw satan to the earth.
-These cultists are not allowed to do any of the following; serve in the military, buy grils scout cookies, celebrate Christimas or Easter, or even their own birthday. Run for political office, vote, serve on a jury, own or wear a cross, donate blood, or accept a blood donation even in an emergency. salute the flag, be involved in martial arts, boxing or wrestling. They can’t even play Chess!
I have given you the reasons for christmas birthdays and easter, they are pagan holidays incorporated into your religion after 1000 ad. As for the rest…
Blood
Leviticus 3:17 It is a statute to time indefinite for YOUR generations, in all YOUR dwelling places: YOU must not eat any fat or any blood at all.
Deuteronomy 15:23 Only its blood you must not eat. Upon the earth you should pour it out as water
Acts 15:29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!
The bible clearly states we must not eat or use blood.
Political
John 17:15 I request you, not to take them out of the world, but to watch over them because of the wicked one. 16�??�?� They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.
Colossians 2:8-10 Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry YOU off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ; 9�??�?� because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily. 10�??�?� And so YOU are possessed of a fullness by means of him, who is the head of all government and authority.
Acts 5:29 In answer Peter and the [other] apostles said: We must obey God as ruler rather than men.
We obey all laws but we must obey god.
Violence
Psalms 11:5 Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one,
And anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates.
Last one… the cross
1 corinthians 10:14 Therefore, my beloved ones, flee from idolatry
Exodus 20:4-5 You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth. 5�??�??�?� You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them, because I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation, in the case of those who hate me;
Oh btw I enjoy playing chess
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Then you better stick to chess and drop this JW nonsense.
Once again these things cannot be justified by anything in the scripture. But you can twist it and turn it until you have rationalized such things. And that is exactly what JW do best.
Now tell us again why you think some of the things that you do?
-All earthly governments are controlled by the devil (come on fess up on this one it’s one of the best)
-The Holy Spirit is only available to this one cult
-There is no Hell
-God is unable to be omnipresent or omniscient
-There is no life after death except for 144,000 select members of this cult
-Jesus second coming happened in (LOL) secret in 1914
-Jesus Christ is a created being (like an angel) who one time did not exist
-Salvation can only be earned by being loyal to this one cult
-“The first” resurrection occurred in 1918
-These cultists are not allowed to do any of the following; serve in the military, buy girl scout cookies, celebrate Christmas or Easter, or even their own birthday. Run for political office, vote, serve on a jury, own or wear a cross, donate blood, or accept a blood donation even in an emergency. salute the flag, be involved in martial arts, boxing or wrestling. They can’t even play Chess!
Come on what did the girl scouts ever do to you? LOL
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Nothing by it is training for a military and associated with religion.[/quote]
LOL - The girl scouts are in training for the military? I call bull on that one. And you use that as an excuse to run the other way when the little tykes are selling cookies door to door? One would think that JW’s would have more empathy for those going door to door. No?
By the way what do you have against the military. There is nothing in the Bible, even with your incredible deliberate twisting of the scriptures that claims one cannot support the military.
So, God gave Jesus all authority…ALL Authority both in heaven and on the earth? So, basically he has the authorities of God…yet is not God. That is one and the same interesting and contradictory. And this verse doesn’t say when Jesus was given that authority.
I’ll leave you with another verse, “In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2 This one was in [the] beginning with God. 3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.”
So, the Word, which is Jesus, in the beginning was…he just was…the Word was with God…okay, so Jesus was with God in the beginning…and the Word was a(?) god. So, either there is two Gods or Jesus is God.
Again, This one was in the beginning with God. All things came into existence through him…okay, so all things if Jesus is just an Angel how did he come into existence through himself? And If he was created then how could he exist if not even one thin came into existence…apart from him.
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1 Chorithians 8:5 Â For even though there are those who are called â??gods,â?? whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many â??godsâ?? and many â??lords"
Explain this how could the word be with god and be him?
Since Jehovah has no beginning or end and Jesus did have a beginning. So its safe guess the one who had no beginning created Jesus. Everything else was created thru him and for him.
-All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.
If he was almighty god, wouldnt he have all authority before descending from heaven? The authority was given when he proved himself faithful even to death and not before.
1 Corinthians 15:27 For [God] â??subjected all things under his feet.â?? But when he says that â??all things have been subjected,â?? it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him.
1 Corinthians 15:24-28 Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25Â For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26Â As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 27Â For [God] â??subjected all things under his feet.â?? But when he says that â??all things have been subjected,â?? it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. 28Â But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.
I think that puts in plainly Jesus will again subject himself to Jehovah.
[quote]Vonamberg wrote:
-All earthly governments are controlled by the devil
Luke 4:5-8 So he brought him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time; 6�??�??�?� and the Devil said to him: I will give you all this authority and the glory of them, because it has been delivered to me, and to whomever I wish I give it. 7�??�??�?� You, therefore, if you do an act of worship before me, it will all be yours. 8�??�??�??�?� In reply Jesus said to him: It is written, It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service
Matthew 4:8-11 Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, 9�??�??�??�?� and he said to him: All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me. 10�??�??�?� Then Jesus said to him: Go away, Satan! For it is written, It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service. 11�??�??�?� Then the Devil left him, and, look! angels came and began to minister to him.
Revelation 2:12-13 And to the angel of the congregation in Pergamum write: These are the things that he says who has the sharp, long two-edged sword, �??�??�?� 13 know where you are dwelling, that is, where the throne of Satan is; and yet you keep on holding fast my name, and you did not deny your faith in me even in the days of An�??�??�?�¢ti�??�??�?�¢pas, my witness, the faithful one, who was killed by YOUR side, where Satan is dwelling
Revelation 12:9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
How could Satan offer Jesus the kingdoms of the world if he didnt control them? AS Revelation say Satan is here on earth misleading the entire world.
-The Holy Spirit is only available to this one cult
Luke 11:13 Therefore, if YOU, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to YOUR children, how much more so will the Father in heaven give holy spirit to those asking him!
Galatians 5:22-23 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, 23�??�??�??�?� mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.
As Luke says Jehovah gives Holy Spirit to those asking but you can recgonize those who have it by the fruitage they produce.
-There is no Hell
Revelation 12:9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
Revelation 20:1-3 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven with the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2�??�??�?� And he seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3�??�??�?� And he hurled him into the abyss and shut [it] and sealed [it] over him, that he might not mislead the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After these things he must be let loose for a little while.
Satan and his demons are confined to the earth not in a hell. Him and is demons will be confined in a pit for a 1000 years then he will be let out for a short time. Then he will be destroyed permanately.
-God is unable to be omnipresent or omniscient
-Omnipresent
1 King 8:49 you must also hear from the heavens, your established place of dwelling, their prayer and their request for favor, and you must execute judgment for them,
Hebrews 9:24 24�??�??�??�?� For Christ entered, not into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us.
Isaiah 66:1 This is what Jehovah has said: The heavens are my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Where, then, is the house that YOU people can build for me, and where, then, is the place as a resting-place for me?
Jehovah is in the heaven not every at once.
-Omniscient
Romans 9:10-13 Yet not that case alone, but also when Rebekah conceived twins from the one [man], Isaac our forefather: 11�??�??�??�?� for when they had not yet been born nor had practiced anything good or vile, in order that the purpose of God respecting the choosing might continue dependent, not upon works, but upon the One who calls, 12�??�??�??�?� it was said to her: �??�??�?�¢??The older will be the slave of the younger.�??�??�?�¢?? 13�??�??�??�?� Just as it is written: I loved Jacob, but E�??�??�?�¢sau I hated.
Ephesians 1:4-5 4�??�??�?� just as he chose us in union with him before the founding of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love. 5�??�??�?� For he foreordained us to the adoption through Jesus Christ as sons to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.
Yes Jehovah can see everything that has happened and will happen but that doesnt mean he has to use it. Example After creating adam and eve he saw everything was good and rested.If he knew they where going to sin do you think he would have rested? Would he have not stopped Cain from killing Abel who he loved? If Jehovah had foreknowledge, the opportunity to receive the benefits of Christ Jesus�??�??�?�¢?? ransom sacrifice were already irrevocably sealed off from some, perhaps for millions of people, even before their birth, so that such ones could never prove worthy, it could not truly be said that the ransom was made available to all men.
-There is no life after death except for 144,000 select members of this cult
John 10:16-18 And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd. 17�??�??�?� This is why the Father loves me, because I surrender my soul, in order that I may receive it again. 18�??�??�?� No man has taken it away from me, but I surrender it of my own initiative. I have authority to surrender it, and I have authority to receive it again. The commandment on this I received from my Father.
Revelation 21:1-4 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2�??�??�?� I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3�??�??�?� With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4�??�??�?� And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.
John 5:25-30 25 Most truly I say to YOU, The hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who have given heed will live. 26�??�??�?� For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself. 27�??�??�?� And he has given him authority to do judging, because Son of man he is. 28�??�??�??�?� Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29�??�??�??�?� and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. 30�??�??�??�?� I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative; just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.
revelation 20:12-13 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. 13�??�??�?� And the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Ha�??�??�?�¢des gave up those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds
After Jesus destroys this system of thing,paradise will be restored where the righteous will live forever as well as the dead will be resurrected.
-Jesus second coming happened in (LOL) secret in 1914
Mark 13:8 For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, there will be earthquakes in one place after another, there will be food shortages. These are a beginning of pangs of distress.
First Thessalonians 5:1-4 Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, YOU need nothing to be written to YOU. 2�??�??�??�?� For YOU yourselves know quite well that Jehovahs day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. 3�??�??�??�?� Whenever it is that they are saying: Peace and security then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape. 4�??�??�?� But YOU, brothers, YOU are not in darkness, so that that day should overtake YOU as it would thieves
Matthew 24:29-30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30�??�??�?� And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Jesus has not come yet as the scriptures point out. In 1914 Jesus was anoited king in heaven and removed Satan and his demons from heaven which resulted in the first part of the sign at Mark 13:8 nations will rise against nation.
-Jesus Christ is a created being (like an angel) who one time did not exist
Revelation 3:14 And to the angel of the congregation in Laodi�??�??�?�¢ write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God.
John 6:56-57 He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and I in union with him. 57�??�??�?� Just as the living Father sent me forth and I live because of the Father, he also that feeds on me, even that one will live because of me.
John 6:42 Jesus said to them: If God were YOUR Father, YOU would love me, for from God I came forth and am here. Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth
Just like it says at rev 3:14 Jesus was the beginning of Jehovahs creation.
-Salvation can only be earned by being loyal to this one cult
Revelation 7:10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.
Acts 4:12 Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.
Salavation is thru Jehovah.
-“The first” resurrection occurred in 1918
Revelation 20:4-5 And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years. 5�??�??�??�?� This is the first resurrection.
As you can see the first resurrection was of those of the 144000 who were dead. Example Peter Matthew Paul Timothy and who ever else was choosen and died. I have no idea of the date but it must have occured shortly after Jesus become king and threw satan to the earth.
-These cultists are not allowed to do any of the following; serve in the military, buy grils scout cookies, celebrate Christimas or Easter, or even their own birthday. Run for political office, vote, serve on a jury, own or wear a cross, donate blood, or accept a blood donation even in an emergency. salute the flag, be involved in martial arts, boxing or wrestling. They can’t even play Chess!
I have given you the reasons for christmas birthdays and easter, they are pagan holidays incorporated into your religion after 1000 ad. As for the rest…
Blood
Leviticus 3:17 It is a statute to time indefinite for YOUR generations, in all YOUR dwelling places: YOU must not eat any fat or any blood at all.
Deuteronomy 15:23 Only its blood you must not eat. Upon the earth you should pour it out as water
Acts 15:29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!
The bible clearly states we must not eat or use blood.
Political
John 17:15 I request you, not to take them out of the world, but to watch over them because of the wicked one. 16�??�??�?� They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.
Colossians 2:8-10 Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry YOU off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ; 9�??�??�?� because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily. 10�??�??�?� And so YOU are possessed of a fullness by means of him, who is the head of all government and authority.
Acts 5:29 In answer Peter and the [other] apostles said: We must obey God as ruler rather than men.
We obey all laws but we must obey god.
Violence
Psalms 11:5 Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one,
And anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates.
Last one… the cross
1 corinthians 10:14 Therefore, my beloved ones, flee from idolatry
Exodus 20:4-5 You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth. 5�??�??�??�?� You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them, because I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation, in the case of those who hate me;
Oh btw I enjoy playing chess
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Then you better stick to chess and drop this JW nonsense.
Once again these things cannot be justified by anything in the scripture. But you can twist it and turn it until you have rationalized such things. And that is exactly what JW do best.
Now tell us again why you think some of the things that you do?
-All earthly governments are controlled by the devil (come on fess up on this one it’s one of the best)
-The Holy Spirit is only available to this one cult
-There is no Hell
-God is unable to be omnipresent or omniscient
-There is no life after death except for 144,000 select members of this cult
-Jesus second coming happened in (LOL) secret in 1914
-Jesus Christ is a created being (like an angel) who one time did not exist
-Salvation can only be earned by being loyal to this one cult
-“The first” resurrection occurred in 1918
-These cultists are not allowed to do any of the following; serve in the military, buy girl scout cookies, celebrate Christmas or Easter, or even their own birthday. Run for political office, vote, serve on a jury, own or wear a cross, donate blood, or accept a blood donation even in an emergency. salute the flag, be involved in martial arts, boxing or wrestling. They can’t even play Chess!
Come on what did the girl scouts ever do to you? LOL
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Nothing by it is training for a military and associated with religion.[/quote]
LOL - The girl scouts are in training for the military? I call bull on that one. And you use that as an excuse to run the other way when the little tykes are selling cookies door to door? One would think that JW’s would have more empathy for those going door to door. No?
By the way what do you have against the military. There is nothing in the Bible, even with your incredible deliberate twisting of the scriptures that claims one cannot support the military.
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Why are u so passionate about them?
The BSA’s stated purpose at its incorporation in 1910 was "to teach [boys] patriotism, courage, self-reliance, and kindred values.
Revelation 6:15-17 And the kings of the earth and the top-ranking ones and the military commanders and the rich and the strong ones and every slave and [every] free person hid themselves in the caves and in the rock-masses of the mountains. 16Â And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rock-masses: â??Fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17Â because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?â??
Luke 6:27 â??But I say to YOU who are listening, Continue to love YOUR enemies, to do good to those hating YOU,
Psalms 46:9 He is making wars to cease to the extremity of the earth.
The bow he breaks apart and does cut the spear in pieces;
The wagons he burns in the fire.
John 13:35 By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU have love among yourselves.â??
Zeb if I am twisting scriptures prove it. All Ive seen so far is endless babble. Show me scriptures to back up your claims. You have asked questions and made claims and mse2us, honest_lifter and myself have tried to explain our point of view.
