[quote]BreStruction wrote:
Can any JWs tell me what happens to the rest of y’all (the none 144,000) that don’t make it to Paradise on Earth, when Earth it ends? Which is going to be soon right? Just curious! [/quote]
The earth will never be destroyed.
psalms 78:69 And he began to build his sanctuary just like the heights,
Like the earth that he has founded to time indefinite
isaiah 45:18 For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: �??�??�??�?�¢??I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.
psalms 37:11 But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.
Psalm 37:29 The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it.
So the meek ones will live forever on the earth forever just as Jehovah’s original plan was.
Someone also asked if adam and eve died the same day. The answer is yes according to Jehovah.
2 peter 3:8 However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.
So 1 day is a 1000 years to Jehovah and since no man has lived a 1000 years, Adam died the same day to Jehovah.
Finally from Jesus’ own mouth he stated at John 3:16 For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
adj. 1. begotten - (of offspring) generated by procreation; “naturally begotten child”
biological - of parents and children; related by blood; “biological child”
So Jesus was the only creation by his own hands {figurative} that he created. Since Jehovah has no beginning or end he cant be Jehovah.
[/quote]
LMAO…you guys kill me I love it…GO GO GO GO…Do more of this nonsense I need to be entertained!
(The trinity has you befuddled huh?)
[/quote]
No I choice not to accept pagan beliefs in my worship. If you want to go ahead we all have free will. [/quote]
And it just so happens that you and the cult that you’re in are the only ones who know the real truth…shhh…top secret.
LOL—No really, you need to read up on your Bible history. There are a multitude of Bible scholars who have dedicated their lives to interpreting scripture. Pick one of them outside your cult and give it a shot.
Otherwise, all you have are half truths seeded with a little fiction.
Sorry man, I wish I had better news.[/quote]
Christmas http://www.essortment.com/all/christmaspagan_rece.htm
No one knows what day Jesus Christ was born on. From the biblical description, most historians believe that his birth probably occurred in September, approximately six months after Passover. One thing they agree on is that it is very unlikely that Jesus was born in December, since the bible records shepherds tending their sheep in the fields on that night. This is quite unlikely to have happened during a cold Judean winter. So why do we celebrate Christâ??s birthday as Christmas, on December the 25th?
The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.
In Rome, the Winter Solstice was celebrated many years before the birth of Christ. The Romans called their winter holiday Saturnalia, honoring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. In January, they observed the Kalends of January, which represented the triumph of life over death. This whole season was called Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. The festival season was marked by much merrymaking. It is in ancient Rome that the tradition of the Mummers was born. The Mummers were groups of costumed singers and dancers who traveled from house to house entertaining their neighbors. From this, the Christmas tradition of caroling was born.
In northern Europe, many other traditions that we now consider part of Christian worship were begun long before the participants had ever heard of Christ. The pagans of northern Europe celebrated the their own winter solstice, known as Yule. Yule was symbolic of the pagan Sun God, Mithras, being born, and was observed on the shortest day of the year. As the Sun God grew and matured, the days became longer and warmer. It was customary to light a candle to encourage Mithras, and the sun, to reappear next year.
Huge Yule logs were burned in honor of the sun. The word Yule itself means â??wheel,â?? the wheel being a pagan symbol for the sun. Mistletoe was considered a sacred plant, and the custom of kissing under the mistletoe began as a fertility ritual. Hollyberries were thought to be a food of the gods.
The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.
In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christâ??s birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is little doubt that he was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans (who remained a majority at that time) to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them.
Christmas (Christ-Mass) as we know it today, most historians agree, began in Germany, though Catholics and Lutherans still disagree about which church celebrated it first. The earliest record of an evergreen being decorated in a Christian celebration was in 1521 in the Alsace region of Germany. A prominent Lutheran minister of the day cried blasphemy: â??Better that they should look to the true tree of life, Christ.â??
The controversy continues even today in some fundamentalist sects.
The name â??Easterâ?? has its roots in ancient polytheistic religions (paganism). On this, all scholars agree. This name is never used in the original Scriptures, nor is it ever associated biblically with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. For these reasons, we prefer to use the term â??Resurrection Sundayâ?? rather than â??Easterâ?? when referring to the annual Christian remembrance of Christ’s resurrection.
Ancient origin
Most reference books say that the name â??Easterâ?? derived from the Eastre, the Teutonic goddess of Spring. Although this relationship exists, in reality, the origin of the name and the goddess are far more ancient - going all the way back to the Tower of Babel. The origin begins not long after the biblical Flood.
Copyright, Eden Communications. All rights reserved. Photographer: Paul S. Taylor. The Flood was a divine judgment sent on mankind after evil had become all pervasive and all people everywhere were totally unresponsive to God. The Bible says that “the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually” (Genesis 6:5, NKJV). It is not difficult to imagine that life must have been almost unbearable at this time in history. God gave humankind a second chance by preserving the righteous man Noah and his family (a total of 8 people).
After the Flood, Noah had a talented, but evil, great-grandson named Nimrod (Genesis 10:6-10) who rebelled greatly against God. The Bible says that he was â??a mighty oneâ??[1] Jewish tradition indicates that Nimrod was a tyrant “who made all of the people rebellious against God.”[2] It is evident from history that Nimrod was not only a political leader, but also the lead priest of a form of occultic worship.[3]
King Nimrod, Queen Semiramis (Easter), and Tammuz (the â??reincarnatedâ?? Nimrod)
Nimrod built and organized major cities. The Bible notes that these included Babel, Asshur, Nineveh and Calah (Genesis 10:10-12). If you know anything about ancient history, the mention of these places may send shivers up your spine. For these were cities of great, almost unimaginable practices and perversion.
When Nimrod eventually died, the Babylonian mystery religion in which he figured prominently continued on. His wife Queen Semiramis saw to that. Once he was dead, she deified him as the Sun-god. In various cultures he later became known as Baal, the Great Life Giver, the god of fire, Baalim, Bel, Molech, etc.
â??Later, when this adulterous and idolatrous woman gave birth to an illegitimate son, she claimed that this son, Tammuz by name, was Nimrod reborn.â??[4] Semiramis â??claimed that her son was supernaturally conceived [no human father] and that he was the promised seed, the 'savior’â?? - promised by God in Genesis 3:15. â??However, not only was the child worshipped, but the woman, the MOTHER, was also worshipped as much (or more) than the son!â??[5] Nimrod deified as the god of the sun and father of creation. Semiramis became the goddess of the moon, fertility, etc.
"In the old fables of the Mystery cults, their ‘savior’ Tammuz, was worshipped with various rites at the Spring season. According to the legends, after he was slain [killed by a wild boar], he went into the underworld. But through the weeping of his motherâ?¦ he mystically revived in the springing forth of the vegetation - in Spring! Each year a spring festival dramatically represented this supposed ‘resurrection’ from the underworld.[6]
Thus, a terrible false religion developed with its sun and moon worship, priests, astrology, demonic worship, worship of stars associated with their gods, idolatry, mysterious rites, human sacrifice, and more. Frankly, the practices which went on were so horrible that it is not fitting for me to speak of them here.
Copyright, Eden Communications. All rights reserved. Artist: Paul S. Taylor. It was at Nimrod’s city of Babel that a towering structure was first built in defiance of God as part of their Satanic religion. Archaeological evidence indicates that this was a spectacular pyramid-shaped structure (ziggurat). The Bible tells us that at this time there was only one language in the world and that most of the world’s population centered in this area and participated in this religion. It was evident to God that all mankind would soon degenerate into a level of evil that would parallel that of the pre-Flood world. For humanity’s sake, something had to be done to slow and frustrate this organization of an evil one world, tyrannical government.
God confused their language, so that they could not understand each other (Genesis 11:7). (This is the ultimate source of the world’s many languages.) As a result, many people moved away from the area in groups according to their particular new language. Most, if not all, of these people carried their evil Sun-God-based religion with them. They continued to worship the stars and practice all the other ungodly rituals of their religion. Some also continued to build pyramids reminiscent of the Tower of Babel as part of this mystery religion. Today, we can still find remnants of these throughout the world (e.g., Iraq, South America, Central America, Egypt, Burma).
Babel was the origin of an idolatrous system that swept the world. The Bible says of her, â??Babylonâ?¦ the nations drank her wine; Therefore the nations are derangedâ?? (Jeremiah 51:7). The Bible often speaks of the Satanic religions which came from her. The ancient Greek historian Herodotus "witnessed the Mystery religion and its rites in numerous countries and mentions how Babylon was the primeval source from which ALL systems of idolatry flowed.[7] Austen Layard said â??that we have the united testimony of sacred and profane history that idolatry originated in the area of Babylonia - the most ancient of religious systems.â??[8]
Basically, almost every vile, profane and idolatrous practice you can think of originated at Babel with Queen Semiramis, the Mother Goddess and Nimrod. As the people scattered from Babel with their different languages, they, of course, used different names for Nimrod (Tammuz) and Semiramis. Some called the Mother Goddess â??ISHTARâ?? (originally pronounced â??Easterâ??).[9] In other lands, she was called Eostre, Astarte, Ostera, and Eastre. Other names for Semiramis, the Mother Goddess include: Wife of Baal, Ashtaroth or Ashtoreth, and Queen of Heaven.[10] The Mother goddess was frequently worshipped as the goddess of fertility - and as a sort of Mother Nature and goddess of Spring and sexual love and birth. She was also worshipped as a mediator between god and man. Sexual orgies and temple prostitutes were often used in her worship and in attempting to gain her favor.
The Easter Rabbit or Hare
Easter Bunny and EggsThe rabbit is well known as a sexual symbol of fertility. In various parts of the world, religions which developed from Babel also associate the rabbit with periodicity, both human and lunar (Egypt, China, etc.). As you may remember, the Mother Goddess Semiramis (Easter) is associated with the Moon. In other words, the Easter bunny symbolizes the Mother Goddess. Annual Spring time fertility rituals are associated worship of the Mother Goddess and Tammuz, the reincarnation of her husband Nimrod.
The Easter Egg
Most children and families who color or hide Easter eggs as part of their Resurrection Sunday tradition have no knowledge of the origin of these traditions. Easter egg activities have become a part of Western culture. Many would be surprised and even dismayed to learn where the traditions originated.
â??The egg was a sacred symbol among the Babylonians. They believed an old fable about an egg of wondrous size which was supposed to have fallen from heaven into the Euphrates River. From this marvelous egg - according to the ancient story - the Goddess Astarte (Easter) [Semiramis], was hatched. And so the egg came to symbolize the Goddess Easter.â??[11]
The idea of a mystic egg spread from Babylon to many parts of the world.[12] In Rome, the mystic egg preceded processions in honor of the Mother Goddess Roman. The egg was part of the sacred ceremonies of the Mysteries of Bacchus. The Druids used the egg as their sacred emblem. In Northern Europe, China and Japan the eggs were colored for their sacred festivals.[13]
The egg was also a symbol of fertility; Semiramis (Easter) was the goddess of Fertility. The Easter egg is a symbol of the pagan Mother Goddess, and it even bears one of her names.
Summary and Conclusion
â??Easterâ?? is simply one of the names of a woman who mightily deceived the world and whose religion has caused untold suffering and misery.[14] She was clearly an enemy of Christianity, and her son Tammuz was an anti-Christ, a false messiah that ultimately deceived millions.
If you are Christian, it is not difficult to discern the bizarre deception and confusion that Satan has successfully orchestrated. For example, notice the embarrassing irony in these traditions which are practiced innocently by most people. They are repeated year after year, because they have become traditional and their origin is unknown to many.
* On the day commemorating Christ's resurrection, Americans roll decorated eggs on the White House lawn and pretend the Easter rabbit hid them. The same ritual is practiced at some Christian churches.
* â??In Lancashire [England] on Easter eve boys and men have been in the habit of touring the towns and villages as 'Pace-eggers' begging for eggs before performing the 'Pace-Egging' or Pasch (i.e., Easter) play.â??[15]
* In Greece each person in a group bangs his red EASTER EGG [not knowing that it is symbol of the Goddess] against the eggs of all the others present in turn, saying 'Christ is risen,' and receives the reply 'He is risen indeed.'"[16]
The seductive symbols of ancient ungodly religions inspired by Satan have been incorporated into people’s everyday lives, even to this day - continuing to obscure the truth of God .
One might wonder if there is a better way for Christians to celebrate Jesus Christ’s resurrection, the most important of all Christian holy days. In retrospect, it seems obvious that it would have been a better witness to the world if Christians had not attempted to â??Christianizeâ?? pagan celebrations - adopting the name â??Easterâ?? (Ishtar/Semiramis) in remembrance of Christ. Jesus has been obscured by painted eggs and bunnies. Attention has been shifted away from spiritual truth and toward materialism (clothing, products and candies with the wrong symbolism). Stores merchandise the name of Easter (not â??Resurrection Sundayâ??) and sell goods that have nothing to do with Christ’s death and resurrection. Christians naively use symbols and practices that unknowingly perpetuate ancient anti-Christ traditions - symbolic customs followed by the same religious cults that inspired the destruction of great numbers of Christians and Jews. Is the Devil laughing at us?
Many church bodies recognize the problem and make every effort to keep the focus of Resurrection Sunday totally on Jesus Christ and the Good News that He brought.
Birthdays
Religious opposition
[edit] Judaism
In Judaism, the perspective on birthday celebrations is disputed by various rabbis.[11] In the Hebrew Bible, the one single mention of a celebration being held in commemoration of someone’s day of birth is for the Egyptian Pharaoh.[12]
The bar mitzvah of 13-year-old Jewish boys, or bat mitzvah for 12-year-old Jewish girls, is perhaps the only Jewish celebration undertaken in what is often perceived to be in coalition with a birthday. However, the essence of a bar/bat mitzvah celebration is entirely religious in origin (i.e. the attainment of religious maturity according to Jewish law) and not secular, despite modern celebrations where the secular “birthday” element often overshadows the essence of it as a religious rite. With or without the “birthday” celebration, the child nevertheless becomes a bar or bat mitzvah, and the celebration can be on that day or any date after it.
[edit] Christianity
The early Christians did not celebrate Christ’s birth because they considered the celebration of anyone’s birth to be a pagan custom. Few branches of Christianity today hold an official stance on birthdays. Orthodox Christianity prefers the celebration of name days only, though not for theological reasons. Some Christian communities, especially in the Hispanosphere, celebrate both naming days and birthdays. Jehovah’s Witnesses and some Sacred Name groups refrain from celebrating birthdays on the basis that they are portrayed in a negative light in the Bible and have historical connections with magic, superstitions, and Paganism.[13][14][15][16][17]
In the Greek Scriptures, King Herod beheaded John the Baptizer, at his birthday celebration. By reading first Job 1:4 and then Job 3:1, 3 it is seen that the children of righteous Job had special banquets. ( Job 1:4 Does not say anywhere that these were on their birthdays, it just states that they did not all hold them on the same day, but they took turns). The original-language words for â??dayâ?? and â??birthdayâ?? are different, each having its own meaning. (Like at Genesis 40:20; “Now on the third day it turned out to be Pharâ?²aohâ??s birthday”).
The Hebrew word for day is yohm, The Hebrew word for birthday is a compound of the two Hebrew words yohm(the day) and (hul·le�dheth) as in Genesis 40:20
â??Now on the third day [yohm] it turned out to be Pharaohâ??s birthday [literally, â??the day (yohm) of the birth (hul·leâ?²dheth) of Pharaohâ??].â?? So it is certain that Job 1:4 does not refer to a birthday, as is unquestionably the case at Genesis 40:20. It would seem that Jobâ??s seven sons held a family gathering (possibly a spring or harvest festival) and as the feasting made the week-long circuit, each son hosted the banquet in his own house â??on his own day.â??
Job 3:1,3 does not talk about a yearly birthdays celebration, but about the day he was actually born. That is quite clear from the last part of verse 3. In this account, Job is being tested by Satan being stricken by every sort of torture to test his loyalty toward Jehovah God and in his sufferings he is at this point, of losing everything, is regretting his birth (hul·le�dheth) altogether.
In Luke Chapter 2 verses 6-20 the Bible describes the angels and the shepherds celebrating the day Christ was born. Specifically verses 10-14 show the celebration the angels did during that day. Nowhere in the Bible does it mention Christ’s birthday.
"10 but the angel reassured them. â??Donâ??t be afraid!â?? he said. â??I bring you good news that will bring great joy to all people. 11 The Saviorâ??yes, the Messiah, the Lordâ??has been born today in Bethlehem, the city of David! 12 And you will recognize him by this sign: You will find a baby wrapped snugly in strips of cloth, lying in a manger.â?? 13 Suddenly, the angel was joined by a vast host of othersâ??the armies of heavenâ??praising God and saying, 14 â??Glory to God in highest heaven, and peace on earth to those with whom God is pleased.â??"
The World Book Encyclopedia considered anyone who celebrated the birth of anyone a pagan custom. The ancient Greeks, for instance, believed that each person had a protective spirit that attended the personâ??s birth and thereafter watched over him. That spirit â??had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born,â?? says the book The Lore of Birthdays.
[edit] Superstitious origins of celebrations
A number of possible superstitious origins for customs associated with birthday celebrations have been suggested. One source states that the tradition of birthday parties started in Europe. It was feared that evil spirits were particularly attracted to people on their birthdays and to protect them, they would be visited by friends and family, who would bring good thoughts and wishes.[18]
[quote]BreStruction wrote:
Can any JWs tell me what happens to the rest of y’all (the none 144,000) that don’t make it to Paradise on Earth, when Earth it ends? Which is going to be soon right? Just curious! [/quote]
The earth will never be destroyed.
psalms 78:69 And he began to build his sanctuary just like the heights,
Like the earth that he has founded to time indefinite
isaiah 45:18 For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: �??�??�??�??�?�¢??I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.
psalms 37:11 But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.
Psalm 37:29 The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it.
So the meek ones will live forever on the earth forever just as Jehovah’s original plan was.
Someone also asked if adam and eve died the same day. The answer is yes according to Jehovah.
2 peter 3:8 However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.
So 1 day is a 1000 years to Jehovah and since no man has lived a 1000 years, Adam died the same day to Jehovah.
Finally from Jesus’ own mouth he stated at John 3:16 For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
adj. 1. begotten - (of offspring) generated by procreation; “naturally begotten child”
biological - of parents and children; related by blood; “biological child”
So Jesus was the only creation by his own hands {figurative} that he created. Since Jehovah has no beginning or end he cant be Jehovah.
[/quote]
LMAO…you guys kill me I love it…GO GO GO GO…Do more of this nonsense I need to be entertained!
(The trinity has you befuddled huh?)
[/quote]
No I choice not to accept pagan beliefs in my worship. If you want to go ahead we all have free will. [/quote]
And it just so happens that you and the cult that you’re in are the only ones who know the real truth…shhh…top secret.
LOL—No really, you need to read up on your Bible history. There are a multitude of Bible scholars who have dedicated their lives to interpreting scripture. Pick one of them outside your cult and give it a shot.
Otherwise, all you have are half truths seeded with a little fiction.
Sorry man, I wish I had better news.[/quote]
Christmas http://www.essortment.com/all/christmaspagan_rece.htm
No one knows what day Jesus Christ was born on. From the biblical description, most historians believe that his birth probably occurred in September, approximately six months after Passover. One thing they agree on is that it is very unlikely that Jesus was born in December, since the bible records shepherds tending their sheep in the fields on that night. This is quite unlikely to have happened during a cold Judean winter. So why do we celebrate Christ�¢??s birthday as Christmas, on December the 25th?
The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.
In Rome, the Winter Solstice was celebrated many years before the birth of Christ. The Romans called their winter holiday Saturnalia, honoring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. In January, they observed the Kalends of January, which represented the triumph of life over death. This whole season was called Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. The festival season was marked by much merrymaking. It is in ancient Rome that the tradition of the Mummers was born. The Mummers were groups of costumed singers and dancers who traveled from house to house entertaining their neighbors. From this, the Christmas tradition of caroling was born.
In northern Europe, many other traditions that we now consider part of Christian worship were begun long before the participants had ever heard of Christ. The pagans of northern Europe celebrated the their own winter solstice, known as Yule. Yule was symbolic of the pagan Sun God, Mithras, being born, and was observed on the shortest day of the year. As the Sun God grew and matured, the days became longer and warmer. It was customary to light a candle to encourage Mithras, and the sun, to reappear next year.
Huge Yule logs were burned in honor of the sun. The word Yule itself means �¢??wheel,�¢?? the wheel being a pagan symbol for the sun. Mistletoe was considered a sacred plant, and the custom of kissing under the mistletoe began as a fertility ritual. Hollyberries were thought to be a food of the gods.
The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.
In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ�¢??s birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is little doubt that he was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans (who remained a majority at that time) to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them.
Christmas (Christ-Mass) as we know it today, most historians agree, began in Germany, though Catholics and Lutherans still disagree about which church celebrated it first. The earliest record of an evergreen being decorated in a Christian celebration was in 1521 in the Alsace region of Germany. A prominent Lutheran minister of the day cried blasphemy: �¢??Better that they should look to the true tree of life, Christ.�¢??
The controversy continues even today in some fundamentalist sects.
The name Ã?¢??EasterÃ?¢?? has its roots in ancient polytheistic religions (paganism). On this, all scholars agree. This name is never used in the original Scriptures, nor is it ever associated biblically with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. For these reasons, we prefer to use the term Ã?¢??Resurrection SundayÃ?¢?? rather than Ã?¢??EasterÃ?¢?? when referring to the annual Christian remembrance of Christ’s resurrection.
Ancient origin
Most reference books say that the name �¢??Easter�¢?? derived from the Eastre, the Teutonic goddess of Spring. Although this relationship exists, in reality, the origin of the name and the goddess are far more ancient - going all the way back to the Tower of Babel. The origin begins not long after the biblical Flood.
Copyright, Eden Communications. All rights reserved. Photographer: Paul S. Taylor. The Flood was a divine judgment sent on mankind after evil had become all pervasive and all people everywhere were totally unresponsive to God. The Bible says that “the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually” (Genesis 6:5, NKJV). It is not difficult to imagine that life must have been almost unbearable at this time in history. God gave humankind a second chance by preserving the righteous man Noah and his family (a total of 8 people).
After the Flood, Noah had a talented, but evil, great-grandson named Nimrod (Genesis 10:6-10) who rebelled greatly against God. The Bible says that he was Ã?¢??a mighty oneÃ?¢??[1] Jewish tradition indicates that Nimrod was a tyrant “who made all of the people rebellious against God.”[2] It is evident from history that Nimrod was not only a political leader, but also the lead priest of a form of occultic worship.[3]
King Nimrod, Queen Semiramis (Easter), and Tammuz (the �¢??reincarnated�¢?? Nimrod)
Nimrod built and organized major cities. The Bible notes that these included Babel, Asshur, Nineveh and Calah (Genesis 10:10-12). If you know anything about ancient history, the mention of these places may send shivers up your spine. For these were cities of great, almost unimaginable practices and perversion.
When Nimrod eventually died, the Babylonian mystery religion in which he figured prominently continued on. His wife Queen Semiramis saw to that. Once he was dead, she deified him as the Sun-god. In various cultures he later became known as Baal, the Great Life Giver, the god of fire, Baalim, Bel, Molech, etc.
Ã?¢??Later, when this adulterous and idolatrous woman gave birth to an illegitimate son, she claimed that this son, Tammuz by name, was Nimrod reborn.Ã?¢??[4] Semiramis Ã?¢??claimed that her son was supernaturally conceived [no human father] and that he was the promised seed, the 'savior’Ã?¢?? - promised by God in Genesis 3:15. Ã?¢??However, not only was the child worshipped, but the woman, the MOTHER, was also worshipped as much (or more) than the son!Ã?¢??[5] Nimrod deified as the god of the sun and father of creation. Semiramis became the goddess of the moon, fertility, etc.
"In the old fables of the Mystery cults, their ‘savior’ Tammuz, was worshipped with various rites at the Spring season. According to the legends, after he was slain [killed by a wild boar], he went into the underworld. But through the weeping of his motherÃ?¢?Ã?¦ he mystically revived in the springing forth of the vegetation - in Spring! Each year a spring festival dramatically represented this supposed ‘resurrection’ from the underworld.[6]
Thus, a terrible false religion developed with its sun and moon worship, priests, astrology, demonic worship, worship of stars associated with their gods, idolatry, mysterious rites, human sacrifice, and more. Frankly, the practices which went on were so horrible that it is not fitting for me to speak of them here.
Copyright, Eden Communications. All rights reserved. Artist: Paul S. Taylor. It was at Nimrod’s city of Babel that a towering structure was first built in defiance of God as part of their Satanic religion. Archaeological evidence indicates that this was a spectacular pyramid-shaped structure (ziggurat). The Bible tells us that at this time there was only one language in the world and that most of the world’s population centered in this area and participated in this religion. It was evident to God that all mankind would soon degenerate into a level of evil that would parallel that of the pre-Flood world. For humanity’s sake, something had to be done to slow and frustrate this organization of an evil one world, tyrannical government.
God confused their language, so that they could not understand each other (Genesis 11:7). (This is the ultimate source of the world’s many languages.) As a result, many people moved away from the area in groups according to their particular new language. Most, if not all, of these people carried their evil Sun-God-based religion with them. They continued to worship the stars and practice all the other ungodly rituals of their religion. Some also continued to build pyramids reminiscent of the Tower of Babel as part of this mystery religion. Today, we can still find remnants of these throughout the world (e.g., Iraq, South America, Central America, Egypt, Burma).
Babel was the origin of an idolatrous system that swept the world. The Bible says of her, �¢??Babylon�¢?�¦ the nations drank her wine; Therefore the nations are deranged�¢?? (Jeremiah 51:7). The Bible often speaks of the Satanic religions which came from her. The ancient Greek historian Herodotus "witnessed the Mystery religion and its rites in numerous countries and mentions how Babylon was the primeval source from which ALL systems of idolatry flowed.[7] Austen Layard said �¢??that we have the united testimony of sacred and profane history that idolatry originated in the area of Babylonia - the most ancient of religious systems.�¢??[8]
Basically, almost every vile, profane and idolatrous practice you can think of originated at Babel with Queen Semiramis, the Mother Goddess and Nimrod. As the people scattered from Babel with their different languages, they, of course, used different names for Nimrod (Tammuz) and Semiramis. Some called the Mother Goddess �¢??ISHTAR�¢?? (originally pronounced �¢??Easter�¢??).[9] In other lands, she was called Eostre, Astarte, Ostera, and Eastre. Other names for Semiramis, the Mother Goddess include: Wife of Baal, Ashtaroth or Ashtoreth, and Queen of Heaven.[10] The Mother goddess was frequently worshipped as the goddess of fertility - and as a sort of Mother Nature and goddess of Spring and sexual love and birth. She was also worshipped as a mediator between god and man. Sexual orgies and temple prostitutes were often used in her worship and in attempting to gain her favor.
The Easter Rabbit or Hare
Easter Bunny and EggsThe rabbit is well known as a sexual symbol of fertility. In various parts of the world, religions which developed from Babel also associate the rabbit with periodicity, both human and lunar (Egypt, China, etc.). As you may remember, the Mother Goddess Semiramis (Easter) is associated with the Moon. In other words, the Easter bunny symbolizes the Mother Goddess. Annual Spring time fertility rituals are associated worship of the Mother Goddess and Tammuz, the reincarnation of her husband Nimrod.
The Easter Egg
Most children and families who color or hide Easter eggs as part of their Resurrection Sunday tradition have no knowledge of the origin of these traditions. Easter egg activities have become a part of Western culture. Many would be surprised and even dismayed to learn where the traditions originated.
�¢??The egg was a sacred symbol among the Babylonians. They believed an old fable about an egg of wondrous size which was supposed to have fallen from heaven into the Euphrates River. From this marvelous egg - according to the ancient story - the Goddess Astarte (Easter) [Semiramis], was hatched. And so the egg came to symbolize the Goddess Easter.�¢??[11]
The idea of a mystic egg spread from Babylon to many parts of the world.[12] In Rome, the mystic egg preceded processions in honor of the Mother Goddess Roman. The egg was part of the sacred ceremonies of the Mysteries of Bacchus. The Druids used the egg as their sacred emblem. In Northern Europe, China and Japan the eggs were colored for their sacred festivals.[13]
The egg was also a symbol of fertility; Semiramis (Easter) was the goddess of Fertility. The Easter egg is a symbol of the pagan Mother Goddess, and it even bears one of her names.
Summary and Conclusion
�¢??Easter�¢?? is simply one of the names of a woman who mightily deceived the world and whose religion has caused untold suffering and misery.[14] She was clearly an enemy of Christianity, and her son Tammuz was an anti-Christ, a false messiah that ultimately deceived millions.
If you are Christian, it is not difficult to discern the bizarre deception and confusion that Satan has successfully orchestrated. For example, notice the embarrassing irony in these traditions which are practiced innocently by most people. They are repeated year after year, because they have become traditional and their origin is unknown to many.
* On the day commemorating Christ's resurrection, Americans roll decorated eggs on the White House lawn and pretend the Easter rabbit hid them. The same ritual is practiced at some Christian churches.
* �¢??In Lancashire [England] on Easter eve boys and men have been in the habit of touring the towns and villages as 'Pace-eggers' begging for eggs before performing the 'Pace-Egging' or Pasch (i.e., Easter) play.�¢??[15]
* In Greece each person in a group bangs his red EASTER EGG [not knowing that it is symbol of the Goddess] against the eggs of all the others present in turn, saying 'Christ is risen,' and receives the reply 'He is risen indeed.'"[16]
The seductive symbols of ancient ungodly religions inspired by Satan have been incorporated into people’s everyday lives, even to this day - continuing to obscure the truth of God .
One might wonder if there is a better way for Christians to celebrate Jesus Christ’s resurrection, the most important of all Christian holy days. In retrospect, it seems obvious that it would have been a better witness to the world if Christians had not attempted to Ã?¢??ChristianizeÃ?¢?? pagan celebrations - adopting the name Ã?¢??EasterÃ?¢?? (Ishtar/Semiramis) in remembrance of Christ. Jesus has been obscured by painted eggs and bunnies. Attention has been shifted away from spiritual truth and toward materialism (clothing, products and candies with the wrong symbolism). Stores merchandise the name of Easter (not Ã?¢??Resurrection SundayÃ?¢??) and sell goods that have nothing to do with Christ’s death and resurrection. Christians naively use symbols and practices that unknowingly perpetuate ancient anti-Christ traditions - symbolic customs followed by the same religious cults that inspired the destruction of great numbers of Christians and Jews. Is the Devil laughing at us?
Many church bodies recognize the problem and make every effort to keep the focus of Resurrection Sunday totally on Jesus Christ and the Good News that He brought.
Birthdays
Religious opposition
[edit] Judaism
In Judaism, the perspective on birthday celebrations is disputed by various rabbis.[11] In the Hebrew Bible, the one single mention of a celebration being held in commemoration of someone’s day of birth is for the Egyptian Pharaoh.[12]
The bar mitzvah of 13-year-old Jewish boys, or bat mitzvah for 12-year-old Jewish girls, is perhaps the only Jewish celebration undertaken in what is often perceived to be in coalition with a birthday. However, the essence of a bar/bat mitzvah celebration is entirely religious in origin (i.e. the attainment of religious maturity according to Jewish law) and not secular, despite modern celebrations where the secular “birthday” element often overshadows the essence of it as a religious rite. With or without the “birthday” celebration, the child nevertheless becomes a bar or bat mitzvah, and the celebration can be on that day or any date after it.
[edit] Christianity
The early Christians did not celebrate Christ’s birth because they considered the celebration of anyone’s birth to be a pagan custom. Few branches of Christianity today hold an official stance on birthdays. Orthodox Christianity prefers the celebration of name days only, though not for theological reasons. Some Christian communities, especially in the Hispanosphere, celebrate both naming days and birthdays. Jehovah’s Witnesses and some Sacred Name groups refrain from celebrating birthdays on the basis that they are portrayed in a negative light in the Bible and have historical connections with magic, superstitions, and Paganism.[13][14][15][16][17]
In the Greek Scriptures, King Herod beheaded John the Baptizer, at his birthday celebration. By reading first Job 1:4 and then Job 3:1, 3 it is seen that the children of righteous Job had special banquets. ( Job 1:4 Does not say anywhere that these were on their birthdays, it just states that they did not all hold them on the same day, but they took turns). The original-language words for â??dayâ?? and â??birthdayâ?? are different, each having its own meaning. (Like at Genesis 40:20; “Now on the third day it turned out to be Pharâ?²aohâ??s birthday”).
The Hebrew word for day is yohm, The Hebrew word for birthday is a compound of the two Hebrew words yohm(the day) and (hul�·leâ?²dheth) as in Genesis 40:20
â??Now on the third day [yohm] it turned out to be Pharaohâ??s birthday [literally, â??the day (yohm) of the birth (hul�·leâ?²dheth) of Pharaohâ??].â?? So it is certain that Job 1:4 does not refer to a birthday, as is unquestionably the case at Genesis 40:20. It would seem that Jobâ??s seven sons held a family gathering (possibly a spring or harvest festival) and as the feasting made the week-long circuit, each son hosted the banquet in his own house â??on his own day.â??
Job 3:1,3 does not talk about a yearly birthdays celebration, but about the day he was actually born. That is quite clear from the last part of verse 3. In this account, Job is being tested by Satan being stricken by every sort of torture to test his loyalty toward Jehovah God and in his sufferings he is at this point, of losing everything, is regretting his birth (hul�·leâ?²dheth) altogether.
In Luke Chapter 2 verses 6-20 the Bible describes the angels and the shepherds celebrating the day Christ was born. Specifically verses 10-14 show the celebration the angels did during that day. Nowhere in the Bible does it mention Christ’s birthday.
"10 but the angel reassured them. â??Donâ??t be afraid!â?? he said. â??I bring you good news that will bring great joy to all people. 11 The Saviorâ??yes, the Messiah, the Lordâ??has been born today in Bethlehem, the city of David! 12 And you will recognize him by this sign: You will find a baby wrapped snugly in strips of cloth, lying in a manger.â?? 13 Suddenly, the angel was joined by a vast host of othersâ??the armies of heavenâ??praising God and saying, 14 â??Glory to God in highest heaven, and peace on earth to those with whom God is pleased.â??"
The World Book Encyclopedia considered anyone who celebrated the birth of anyone a pagan custom. The ancient Greeks, for instance, believed that each person had a protective spirit that attended the personâ??s birth and thereafter watched over him. That spirit â??had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born,â?? says the book The Lore of Birthdays.
[edit] Superstitious origins of celebrations
A number of possible superstitious origins for customs associated with birthday celebrations have been suggested. One source states that the tradition of birthday parties started in Europe. It was feared that evil spirits were particularly attracted to people on their birthdays and to protect them, they would be visited by friends and family, who would bring good thoughts and wishes.[18][/quote]
LOL…did they stuff this down your throat when you were little? No seriously, someone could not get this screwed up as an adult, I refuse to believe it.
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
ZEB, are you saying that what was written in Vonamburg’s post is incorrect about holiday and birthday celebrations is incorrect? [/quote]
(Eye Roll) No one ever said that the day we celebrate Christ’s birthday is the actual day he was born.
Anyone with an IQ higher than their shoe size knows this stuff. Let’s not do this anymore okay?
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
ZEB, are you saying that what was written in Vonamburg’s post is incorrect about holiday and birthday celebrations is incorrect? [/quote]
(Eye Roll) No one ever said that the day we celebrate Christ’s birthday is the actual day he was born.
Anyone with an IQ higher than their shoe size knows this stuff. Let’s not do this anymore okay?
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For someone who claims to be a follower of Jesus’ teachings, you are quite a haughty person.
So you KNOW that these holidays all have very clear pagan origins, and yet you choose to celebrate them.
For someone who claims to be a follower of Jesus’ teachings, you are quite a haughty person.[/quote]
And for someone who claims to be a Christian you are…oh that’s right you don’t claim to be a Christian you’re in a cult. That sucks huh?
Yeah, cool how we co-Opted the pagan holidays and made them Christian holidays. Kudos to us right? Oh that’s right you don’t like that hmm…Maybe we should talk about it endlessly page after page? No, we already did that. I dunno I’m fresh out of ideas. You?
…CHRIST IS ONLY AN ANGEL!!
Sorry sometimes I break out into crazy JW comments…I don’t mean them. But you do AHHHHHHH…
For someone who claims to be a follower of Jesus’ teachings, you are quite a haughty person.[/quote]
And for someone who claims to be a Christian you are…oh that’s right you don’t claim to be a Christian you’re in a cult. That sucks huh?
Yeah, cool how we co-Opted the pagan holidays and made them Christian holidays. Kudos to us right? Oh that’s right you don’t like that hmm…Maybe we should talk about it endlessly page after page? No, we already did that. I dunno I’m fresh out of ideas. You?
…CHRIST IS ONLY AN ANGEL!!
Sorry sometimes I break out into crazy JW comments…I don’t mean them. But you do AHHHHHHH…
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Correct, you are sharing celebrations with pagan religions. There is no need for endless debate. There is no need for any debate, really.
For someone who claims to be a follower of Jesus’ teachings, you are quite a haughty person.[/quote]
And for someone who claims to be a Christian you are…oh that’s right you don’t claim to be a Christian you’re in a cult. That sucks huh?
Yeah, cool how we co-Opted the pagan holidays and made them Christian holidays. Kudos to us right? Oh that’s right you don’t like that hmm…Maybe we should talk about it endlessly page after page? No, we already did that. I dunno I’m fresh out of ideas. You?
…CHRIST IS ONLY AN ANGEL!!
Sorry sometimes I break out into crazy JW comments…I don’t mean them. But you do AHHHHHHH…
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Correct, you are sharing celebrations with pagan religions. There is no need for endless debate. There is no need for any debate, really. [/quote]
You say “sharing” because part of your mission is to denigrate the Christian faith. But if millions of Christians are worshiping Jesus Christ (as the only son of God by the way) on Christmas day I think we’ve (Christians) won that one. But feel free to continue to degrade the Christian faith it’s what you guys do best.
Remove Hell, lower Jesus Christ’s stature…yeah you guys are a cult and a pretty evil one at that.
[quote]forbes wrote:
The “1000 years is like a day and a day is like a 1000 years” is just expressing that God is not confined by time. He doesn’t experience time like we do.
Only things of the same essence (being) can beget their own kind. God can only beget a creature that shares his same qualities. Anything else is FORMED (or created). If Jesus is begotten of the Father (and shares his essence…which is WHAT he is) then Jesus shares the quality of ETERNALITY. Remember, something can only beget another thing that has the same qualities. A human can only beget a human. God can only beget God, and God is eternal. So what does this mean then? Well we can’t compare God’s nature to his creation. So in what way was Jesus begotten? His sonship. His son-like relationship to the first person of the trinity. That is what is meant by begotten. And this relationship is by his own accord. He agreed to subject himself to the Father.[/quote]
Forbes, you don’t know that Jesus is a created being? Just kidding, I’m sure you don’t. But according to the Bible that’s exactly what Jesus is - a created spirit being.
Colossians 1:15-17 states:
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things and by means of him all other things were made to exist.
Revelation 3:14 states: 14 “And to the angel of the congregation in Laodicea write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God,”
According to the Bible, Jesus was not only created by God but he is the first and only thing directly created by God. God used Jesus to create all other things. That’s why John 3:16 states that Jesus is Jehovah’s only begotten son - it’s because Jesus is the only thing God directly created. There are many scriptures that state that God used Jesus to create everything. I’ll list a couple.
1 Corinthians 8:4-6 states: “there is no God but one. 5 For even though there are those who are called “gods,” whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ,through whom all things are, and we through him.”
Forbes, can you see the difference between what God did and what Jesus did? If it’s not clear maybe the below scripture will clarify it.
Hebrews 1:1-3 states: “God, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, 2 has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. 3 He is the reflection of his glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places.”
Proverbs 8:23-28 explains all of this very well. “22Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. 23 From time indefinite I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth. 24 When there were no watery deeps I was brought forth as with labor pains, when there were no springs heavily charged with water. 25 Before the mountains themselves had been settled down, ahead of the hills, [u]I was brought forth as with labor pains, 26 when as yet he had not made the earth and the open spaces and the first part of the dust masses of the productive land[/u]. 27 [u]When he prepared the heavens I was there; when he decreed a circle upon the face of the watery deep, 28 when he made firm the cloud masses above, when he caused the fountains of the watery deep to be strong, 29 when he set for the sea his decree that the waters themselves should not pass beyond his order, when he decreed the foundations of the earth, 30 then I came to be beside him as a master worker[/u], and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time, 31 being glad at the productive land of his earth, and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men.”
This is Jesus in his pre-human existance and everything thst’s stated in the above passage is stated in the scriptures preceding the above passage. Let me break down the above passage. Verses 22-26 states that God produced Jesus as the earliest of his achievements before the earth was created. This harmonizes with Colossians 1:15 and Revelation 3:14 which state that Jesus is first born of all creation and the beginning of creation by God. Jesus himself states at John 17:5 that he was at God’s side before the earth was created. Verses 27-30 states that when God prepared the heavens and the earth Jesus was there and verse 30 states that he became his Master Worker or Craftsman as some translations state. Just like an architect who draws out the plans and designs and then uses a construction company to do the building, God designed and prepared all things and then used Jesus to to build or create everything. This is the of meaning 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 where it states all things are from God and all things are through Jesus.
So yes, Jesus was created by God and God used Jesus to create all of the other things which is why Jesus regularly referred to God as his Father and why God states that Jesus is his only begotten son . This is based strictly on what the Bible states. None of what I stated above is based on theological reasoning.
Oh yeah, yes Jesus is referred to as “Wisdom” at 1 Corinthians 1:30 which states:
“But it is due to him that you are in union with Christ Jesus, who has become to us wisdom from God.”
Half your verses don’t even mention the destruction of the earth.
The “1000 years is like a day and a day is like a 1000 years” is just expressing that God is not confined by time. He doesn’t experience time like we do.
Only things of the same essence (being) can beget their own kind. God can only beget a creature that shares his same qualities. Anything else is FORMED (or created). If Jesus is begotten of the Father (and shares his essence…which is WHAT he is) then Jesus shares the quality of ETERNALITY. Remember, something can only beget another thing that has the same qualities. A human can only beget a human. God can only beget God, and God is eternal. So what does this mean then? Well we can’t compare God’s nature to his creation. So in what way was Jesus begotten? His sonship. His son-like relationship to the first person of the trinity. That is what is meant by begotten. And this relationship is by his own accord. He agreed to subject himself to the Father.[/quote]
Where are you getting this information? What is your scriptural basis for making this?
Half your verses don’t even mention the destruction of the earth.
The “1000 years is like a day and a day is like a 1000 years” is just expressing that God is not confined by time. He doesn’t experience time like we do.
Only things of the same essence (being) can beget their own kind. God can only beget a creature that shares his same qualities. Anything else is FORMED (or created). If Jesus is begotten of the Father (and shares his essence…which is WHAT he is) then Jesus shares the quality of ETERNALITY. Remember, something can only beget another thing that has the same qualities. A human can only beget a human. God can only beget God, and God is eternal. So what does this mean then? Well we can’t compare God’s nature to his creation. So in what way was Jesus begotten? His sonship. His son-like relationship to the first person of the trinity. That is what is meant by begotten. And this relationship is by his own accord. He agreed to subject himself to the Father.[/quote]
Where are you getting this information? What is your scriptural basis for making this?
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Says a member of the JW who are well known throughout the world for their ability to distort scripture so that it says what they want it to say.
For someone who claims to be a follower of Jesus’ teachings, you are quite a haughty person.[/quote]
And for someone who claims to be a Christian you are…oh that’s right you don’t claim to be a Christian you’re in a cult. That sucks huh?
Yeah, cool how we co-Opted the pagan holidays and made them Christian holidays. Kudos to us right? Oh that’s right you don’t like that hmm…Maybe we should talk about it endlessly page after page? No, we already did that. I dunno I’m fresh out of ideas. You?
…CHRIST IS ONLY AN ANGEL!!
Sorry sometimes I break out into crazy JW comments…I don’t mean them. But you do AHHHHHHH…
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Correct, you are sharing celebrations with pagan religions. There is no need for endless debate. There is no need for any debate, really. [/quote]
You say “sharing” because part of your mission is to denigrate the Christian faith. But if millions of Christians are worshiping Jesus Christ (as the only son of God by the way) on Christmas day I think we’ve (Christians) won that one. But feel free to continue to degrade the Christian faith it’s what you guys do best.
Remove Hell, lower Jesus Christ’s stature…yeah you guys are a cult and a pretty evil one at that.
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matthew 28:18-20 18Â And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: â??All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19Â Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20Â teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.â??
I know you guys love part of this scripture to try to prove Jesus is god but he didnt receive his authority until after his resurrection. Thats why Jesus commanded everyone to preach and make disciples, that is why we preach. As you read â??All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth."
Since 1914 Jesus has ruled as king and priest before Jehovah.
Revelation 7:7-9 7 And war broke out in heaven: Miâ?²chaâ?§el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
The devil is trapped here on earth not in some hell.
1914 is the year that Jesus hurled the satan to the earth. Oh and if you question how we got to that conclusion here is a simple answer.
Mark 13:3-8 3Â And as he was sitting on the Mount of Olives with the temple in view, Peter and James and John and Andrew began to ask him privately: 4Â â??Tell us, When will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are destined to come to a conclusion?â?? 5Â So Jesus started to say to them: â??Look out that nobody misleads YOU. 6Â Many will come on the basis of my name, saying, â??I am he,â?? and will mislead many. 7Â Moreover, when YOU hear of wars and reports of wars, do not be terrified; [these things] must take place, but the end is not yet.
8Â â??For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, there will be earthquakes in one place after another, there will be food shortages. These are a beginning of pangs of distress.
1914 is the year when basically the entire earth was engaged in war against each other. That was when Jesus become king and priest before Jehovah. His first action as king was to toss satan from heaven.
let the ridicule begin…
oh one question… how can you take a holiday that in gods eyes is evil and make it good?
For someone who claims to be a follower of Jesus’ teachings, you are quite a haughty person.[/quote]
And for someone who claims to be a Christian you are…oh that’s right you don’t claim to be a Christian you’re in a cult. That sucks huh?
Yeah, cool how we co-Opted the pagan holidays and made them Christian holidays. Kudos to us right? Oh that’s right you don’t like that hmm…Maybe we should talk about it endlessly page after page? No, we already did that. I dunno I’m fresh out of ideas. You?
…CHRIST IS ONLY AN ANGEL!!
Sorry sometimes I break out into crazy JW comments…I don’t mean them. But you do AHHHHHHH…
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Correct, you are sharing celebrations with pagan religions. There is no need for endless debate. There is no need for any debate, really. [/quote]
You say “sharing” because part of your mission is to denigrate the Christian faith. But if millions of Christians are worshiping Jesus Christ (as the only son of God by the way) on Christmas day I think we’ve (Christians) won that one. But feel free to continue to degrade the Christian faith it’s what you guys do best.
Remove Hell, lower Jesus Christ’s stature…yeah you guys are a cult and a pretty evil one at that.
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matthew 28:18-20 18� And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: â??All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19� Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20� teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.â??
I know you guys love part of this scripture to try to prove Jesus is god but he didnt receive his authority until after his resurrection. Thats why Jesus commanded everyone to preach and make disciples, that is why we preach. As you read â??All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth."
Since 1914 Jesus has ruled as king and priest before Jehovah.
Revelation 7:7-9 7 And war broke out in heaven: Miâ?²chaâ?§el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
The devil is trapped here on earth not in some hell.
1914 is the year that Jesus hurled the satan to the earth. Oh and if you question how we got to that conclusion here is a simple answer.
Mark 13:3-8 3� And as he was sitting on the Mount of Olives with the temple in view, Peter and James and John and Andrew began to ask him privately: 4� â??Tell us, When will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are destined to come to a conclusion?â?? 5� So Jesus started to say to them: â??Look out that nobody misleads YOU. 6� Many will come on the basis of my name, saying, â??I am he,â?? and will mislead many. 7� Moreover, when YOU hear of wars and reports of wars, do not be terrified; [these things] must take place, but the end is not yet.
8� â??For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, there will be earthquakes in one place after another, there will be food shortages. These are a beginning of pangs of distress.
1914 is the year when basically the entire earth was engaged in war against each other. That was when Jesus become king and priest before Jehovah. His first action as king was to toss satan from heaven.
let the ridicule begin…
oh one question… how can you take a holiday that in gods eyes is evil and make it good?
[quote]How can you heal on the sabbath and make it good?
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Matthew 12:9-13
9 After departing from that place he went into their synagogue; 10 and, look! a man with a withered hand! So they asked him, â??Is it lawful to cure on the sabbath?â?? that they might get an accusation against him. 11 He said to them: â??Who will be the man among YOU that has one sheep and, if this falls into a pit on the sabbath, will not get hold of it and lift it out? 12 All considered, of how much more worth is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do a fine thing on the sabbath.â?? 13 Then he said to the man: â??Stretch out your hand.â?? And he stretched it out, and it was restored sound like the other hand.
Mark 3:1-5
Once again he entered into a synagogue, and a man was there with a dried-up hand. 2Â So they were watching him closely to see whether he would cure the man on the sabbath, in order that they might accuse him. 3Â And he said to the man with the withered hand: â??Get up [and come] to the center.â?? 4Â Next he said to them: â??Is it lawful on the sabbath to do a good deed or to do a bad deed, to save or to kill a soul?â?? But they kept silent. 5Â And after looking around upon them with indignation, being thoroughly grieved at the insensibility of their hearts, he said to the man: â??Stretch out your hand.â?? And he stretched it out, and his hand was restored.
Matthew 12:1-8
At that season Jesus went through the grainfields on the sabbath. His disciples got hungry and started to pluck heads of grain and to eat. 2Â At seeing this the Pharisees said to him: â??Look! Your disciples are doing what it is not lawful to do on the sabbath.â?? 3Â He said to them: â??Have YOU not read what David did when he and the men with him got hungry? 4Â How he entered into the house of God and they ate the loaves of presentation, something that it was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those with him, but for the priests only? 5Â Or, have YOU not read in the Law that on the sabbaths the priests in the temple treat the sabbath as not sacred and continue guiltless? 6Â But I tell YOU that something greater than the temple is here. 7Â However, if YOU had understood what this means, â??I want mercy, and not sacrifice,â?? YOU would not have condemned the guiltless ones. 8Â For Lord of the sabbath is what the Son of man is.
how do you compare pagan holidays to Jesus healing a man? As the scriptures explained ppl would go out and rescue animals on their day of rest, so what is better and helping a man or an animal?