Jehovah's Witness Q & A

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[quote]honest_lifter wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]honest_lifter wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
Zeb, what religion are you? (I figure Christian, but what denomination?)[/quote]Non-denominational Christian. You? Oh that’s right never mind :slight_smile:
[/quote]I looked up what that meant, and didn’t fully understand it. So do you belong to a church? Meaning, do you go to a specific church? [/quote]It means he belongs to a church that isn’t necessarily associated in a governmental way with a specific established Christian body commonly known as a “denomination”. It also means, from what I can tell from him here, that the core of what his church believes is also however shared by all orthodox denominations. The reasons behind “why don’t they all get together then?” are pretty involved, but don’t indicate nearly as much division as is commonly represented.
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Well said, but I was patiently waiting for the next question.
[/quote]I apologize. See what I get for being impatient.
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Oh, sorry. I wasn’t planning a next question.[/quote]

What? Now how do you expect to convert me if you don’t go through the process?

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At least I don’t have to feel bad for butting in now.

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Long time no speaky!

I wanted to ask:

What do you guys have to say about the various JW prophesies that never came true?

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I think they said, “Um…oh just skip it…um we were just messing with you guys…HEY LEAVE US ALONE!”

:slight_smile:

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[quote]forbes wrote:
Long time no speaky!

I wanted to ask:

What do you guys have to say about the various JW prophesies that never came true? [/quote]

You are doing the whole religion thing wrong.

See, either they have not come true yet, or you misread their prophecies and they did come true after all and you are just ignoring it because the devil is deceiving you.

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[quote]forbes wrote:
Long time no speaky!

I wanted to ask:

What do you guys have to say about the various JW prophesies that never came true? [/quote]
That’s a good question. There’s been one prophecy that Jehovah’s Witness focused on and we have made some mistakes about the prophecy in the past. And because of that many think that we’re false prophets. This is not the case. The Bible Students as Jehovah’s Witnesses were called back in the late 19th and early 20th century never said that the 1914 date came about by divine intervention such as a vision, dream or spoken directly from God. When a one claims to have received a message or prophecy directly from God and the message or prophecy turns out to be false then that one is a false prophet. There are actually groups out there that say God told them that the end is going to come on this date at this time. That was not the case with the Bible Students. The Bible Students knew that they did not have all the answers and that they were learning. Calling themselves “Bible Students” is evidence of this. In the 1800’s there were people trying to figure out a statement Jesus made at Luke 21:24 where he stated that “Jeruselam would be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.” Most people did not and still don’t understand what the scripture means. But there were some in the 1800’s that were able to figure out what that verse meant by looking at the Bible. The key to understanding that verse is to first understand Ezekial 21:26, 27 which states: “Remove the turban, and lift off the crown. . . . It will certainly become no one’s until he comes who has the legal right, and I must give it to him.” This prophecy is talking about King Zedekiah who was the last king in the line of King David to rule in Israel. 2 Kings 25:1-26 shows that the Babylonians removed King Zedekiah and destroyed Jerusalem. These kings were unique because according to 2 Chronicles 28:5 and 29:23 they sat on God’s throne as representatives of God himself. So once Babylon over threw Jerusalem and killed King Zedekiah the trampling of Jerusalem began. Now there were other kings that ruled in Israel after Cyrus allowed the Israelite to return to Jerusalem in 537 B.C.E. but never did another king in the Davidic line rule over Israel.

As to when this trampling would end or how long the throne would be vacant Ezekial 21:26 states that the crown would become no one’s until he who has the legal right comes. Who has the legal right to the Davidic throne? The person who has the legal right is none other than Jesus. Several places in the Bible state this such as Isaiah 9:6 which states: “To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom in order to establish it firmly and to sustain it by means of justice and by means of righteousness, from now on and to time indefinite. The very zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.” And at Luke 1:32 where the angel Gabriel tells Mary: “This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High; and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, 33 and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom.” Once Jesus becomes king then the trampling of Jerusalem by the nations would end.

To find out how long the trampling of Jerusalem or how long the throne would be vacant one must look at Daniel chapter 4. The account in Daniel chapter 4 holds the key to knowing how long that period would last. It relates a prophetic dream experienced by King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. He saw an immense tree that was chopped down. Its stump could not grow because it was banded with iron and copper. An angel declared: “Let seven times pass over it.” In the Bible, trees are sometimes used to represent rulership as noted at Ezekiel 17:22-24; 31:2-5 and Revelation 12: 6, 14, Numbers 14:34 and Ezekial 4:6 was used to determine how long that period of time was. Revelation 12:6, 14 indicates that three and a half times equal “a thousand two hundred and sixty days.” “Seven times” would therefore last twice as long, or 2,520 days. But the Gentile nations did not stop ‘trampling’ on God’s rulership for only 2,520 days after Jerusalemâ??s fall. Evidently, then, this prophecy covers a much longer period of time. On the basis of Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6, which speak of “a day for a year,” the “seven times” would cover 2,520 years. Bible chronology puts the destruction of Babylon at 607 B.C.E. and if one were to count up 2520 years he would be taken to the year 1914 A.D. Now once the Bible Students had this information they didn’t exactly know what would happen. They wrongly thought that when the appointed time of the nations ended and Jesus took the vacant throne of David and became king over God’s kingdom in heaven that Armageddon would start. When this didn’t happen this actually refined their faith. Because they knew that “something” happened due to the fact an event took place that never happened before on such a grand scale: WW1. This caused them to turn to the Bible and re-examine it closer and they realized that when Jesus became king in heaven in 1914, he kicked Satan out of heaven, turned his attention to the earth and this was when the Last Days or Conclusion of the system of things started.

Now to finally answer your question. Jesus told his disciples to keep on the watch, to stay alert and stay vigilant because no one knew the day or hour that Armageddon would start. So thatâ??s exactly what Jehovah’s Witnesses have been doing. They kept on the watch. Just imagine a guard who is assigned to watch for a burglar that for a certainty is coming. If he’s vigilant he’s going to become eager and any cracking of the house or any noise that he hears is going to cause him to think that the burglar has arrived. Jehovahâ??s Witnesses are eager for Armageddon to come and this has caused some within the organization to get over anxious which is why some, not all, alluded to the end coming in 1975. Most did not think that. For example, my parents were Jehovahâ??s Witnesses in 1975 and neither thought that the end was coming in 1975. And since Iâ??ve been alive, there have not been any dates as to when Armageddon will come. We realize that were not a perfect religion and we make mistakes. We see examples of this in the Bible. John 21:20-23 is one such scripture. Peter misunderstood the statement Jesus made and thought John would never die and this misunderstanding spread among the brothers and many thought John would not die. Another example is at Act 1:6 where the apostles asked Jesus if he was restoring the kingdom to Israel at that time. Even after Jesus stressed that his Kingdom was no part of the world, the apostles still thought that Jesus was going to restore Israel to its former glory. In both of the above examples the disciples had to adjust their thinking when they realized they were wrong. That’s exactly what the Bible Students did. In regards to the 1914 date they re-examined the scriptures and as the signs Jesus mentions at Matthew 24 became more visible they realized that 1914 was the end of the appointed times of the nations, when Jesus became king of Godâ??s kingdom in heaven, when Satan was kicked out of heaven and when the conclusion of the system of things or Last Days began.

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[quote]mse2us wrote:
<<< The Bible Students as Jehovah’s Witnesses were called back in the late 19th and early 20th century never said that the 1914 date came about by divine intervention such as a vision, dream or spoken directly from God. >>>
[/quote]What does “cannot be of human origin” mean?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]mse2us wrote:
<<< The Bible Students as Jehovah’s Witnesses were called back in the late 19th and early 20th century never said that the 1914 date came about by divine intervention such as a vision, dream or spoken directly from God. >>>
[/quote]What does “cannot be of human origin” mean?
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I think you mean that a prophecy can never originate from a human and that it must come from God. The Bible Students never said that they prophesied or were given a prophecy. Jesus is the one who stated the prophecy. At luke 21:24 he spoke about a future event that had not taken place which is one of the definitions of a prophecy. Jesus said “Jerusalem would be trampled on by the Gentiles (or Nations) until the appointed times are fulfilled.” That prophecy had a start date and an end date. Like I mentioned in my previous post in the 1800’s there were many people trying to figure out how long Jesus’ prophecy regarding the times of the Gentiles would last and when it would end. As early as 1823, John A. Brown, whose work was published in London, England, calculated the “seven times” of Daniel chapter 4 to be 2,520 years in length based on Revelation 12: 6, 14, Numbers 16:34 and Ezekiel 4:6. But he did not clearly discern the date with which the prophetic time period began or when it would end. He did, however, connect these “seven times” with the Gentile Times of Luke 21:24. Then, in the August, September, and October 1875 issues of Herald of the Morning, N. H Barbour helped to harmonize details that had been pointed out by others. Using chronology compiled by Christopher Bowen, a clergyman in England, and published by E. B. Elliott, Barbour identified the start of the Gentile Times with King Zedekiah’s removal from kingship as foretold at Ezekiel 21:25, 26, and he pointed to 1914 as marking the end of the Gentile Times. Charles Russell (the man who started the Bible Students) met with Barbour and two reasoned from the scriptures that the “seven times” would end in 1914 and that this would be the end of the Gentile Times. They then jointly published books explaining this. So the Bible Students started to look to 1914 as a year of great significance but they didn’t know exactly what would happen. They wrongly thought that when Jesus became king over God’s kingdom that Armageddon would start but once they realized they were wrong the had to re-examine the Bible and re-adjust their thinking. Even before 1914 came Charles Russell started to caution the other Bible Students that 1914 may not bring about Armageddon but that they still needed to keep alert. To make a long story short. The Bible Students realized after re-examining the Bible that 1914 was the end of the Gentile times and was the start of God’s Kingdom where Jesus would turn his attention to the earth. Matthew 25:31-33 states this clearly:
“When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. 32 And all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.”

They were also able to see from the Bible that once Jesus became king bad things would start to take place on earth. Why? Because according to Revelation chapter 12 once Jesus becomes king Satan is kicked out of heaven and thrown down to the earth. Once that happens Revelation 12:10 states: “Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ.” God’s kingdom comes to power and the authority is given to Jesus. Verses 12 states that there is going to be “Woe” for the earth because Satan has great anger knowing he has a short period of time. Evidence of this “Woe” is at Revelation chapter 6 which talks about the four horsemen of the apocalypse. The first rider is on a white horse and a crown is given him. This rider is none other than Jesus. Several passages in the Bible show this. Daniel 7:14 is a prophecy about Jesus becoming king in heaven were he is given “rulership” and “kingship.” And Revelation 19:11 states that the person on the white horse is called “Faithful and True.” Jesus calls himself “Faithful and True” at Revelation 3:14. Why would the newly crowned Jesus ride with war, famine and pestilence? It’s because after he is king and Satan is kicked out of heaven, Satan causes “Woe” for the earth. This “Woe” comes in the form of War which is symbolized by the second rider. 1914 - World War I, first ever World War. The next “Woe” is symbolized as the third rider, famine which as a result of World War I many nations begin to ration food. The next “Woe” is symbolized as the fourth rider pestilence. 1918 - Spanish Flu, never had a disease killed over 20 - 50 million people on a global scale in only a year and a half.

From re-examining the Bible, the Bible Students where also able to see that when the Gentile Times ended, when Jesus became king in heaven and when Satan got kicked out of heaven and the bad conditions that followed due to Satan’s ousting, that this was the start of the “Last Days” or the “conclusion of the system of things.” The conditions symbolized by the three horsemen - war, famine and pestilence were the some of the exact signs Jesus told his disciples to look for that would mark his presence in heaven and the conclusion of the system of things. Jesus tells his disciples to look for these signs at Matthew 24:3-44, Mark 13 and Luke 21:10-29.

The Bible Students never claimed to be the first ones to calculate that the Gentile times ended in 1914. They were not the first. There were many at that time trying to figure out what Jesus was talking about. The Bible Students progressively, through study of the Bible, were able to completely understand the significance of 1914 and they were humble enough to admit when they were wrong and re-adjust their thinking when they had new understanding from studying the Bible.

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Can any JWs tell me what happens to the rest of y’all (the none 144,000) that don’t make it to Paradise on Earth, when Earth it ends? Which is going to be soon right? Just curious!

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]mse2us wrote:
<<< The Bible Students as Jehovah’s Witnesses were called back in the late 19th and early 20th century never said that the 1914 date came about by divine intervention such as a vision, dream or spoken directly from God. >>>
[/quote]What does “cannot be of human origin” mean?
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it means it came from a Cylon clone. (google: wikipedia battle star galactica)

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[quote]BreStruction wrote:
Can any JWs tell me what happens to the rest of y’all (the none 144,000) that don’t make it to Paradise on Earth, when Earth it ends? Which is going to be soon right? Just curious! [/quote]
I’m not sure what you mean. Are you talking about non-JW’s that don’t make it to paradise or JW’s that don’t make it to paradise.

Also, according to the Bible the earth will never end or be destroyed. Psalms 104:5 states:
“He has founded the earth upon its established places; It will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever.”

And Ecclesiastes 1:4 which states:
“A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite.”

According to the Bible paradise is never associated with heaven. Paradise, which means garden like park, refers to the earth only. Psalms 37:11 and 29 explains paradise on earth:
Verse 11 states: “But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.”

Verse 29 states:
“The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it.”

Yes, we are living in the last days. The last days of the Jewish system of things lasted from 30 C.E. - 70 C.E. which was when Rome completely destroyed Jerusalem. According to Bible prophecy, the last days has been since 1914, so yes, we believe that we are in the last part of the last days.

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[quote]mse2us wrote:<<< I think you mean that a prophecy can never originate from a human and that it must come from God. >>>[/quote]I mean what did Russel mean when he said the end of the age would occur before the end of 1914 and that the glorious tapestry of truth he had uncovered could not be of human origin. If not human then what? This scan is from my original copy of volume 2 of the Studies in the Scriptures. The same volume wherein he predicts what is essentially the end of the world. I’ll scan that too if I get a chance.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]mse2us wrote:<<< I think you mean that a prophecy can never originate from a human and that it must come from God. >>>[/quote]I mean what did Russel mean when he said the end of the age would occur before the end of 1914 and that the glorious tapestry of truth he had uncovered could not be of human origin. If not human then what? This scan is from my original copy of volume 2 of the Studies in the Scriptures. The same volume wherein he predicts what is essentially the end of the world. I’ll scan that too if I get a chance.
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Thanks for clarifying that. Russell was right. What I explained in my two post above is not from human origin - it’s all based on the Bible. And of course the Bible is not from human origin. Let me give you some examples of customs and traditions of a number of religions that are from human origin. Lent. No where in the Christian-Greek scriptures is there anything remotely close to this practice. The sacredness of the cross. No where in the Bible is the instrument of Jesus’ death revered or prayed to or used to bring one closer to God. In fact, there is not a single instance in Scripture where faithful servants of Jehovah resorted to the use of visual aids to pray to God or engaged in a form of relative worship. No matter how ones spins it, using any image as part of ones worship to God is clear violation of God’s command to flee from idolatry. Those are two examples of believes that are widely practiced that are from human origin because they did not originate in the Bible.

Again, Russell and his associates were not the ones who figured out that the Gentile Times would end in 1914 and that Jesus would be installed as king in heaven. There were a number of people who over a period of decades who were able to figure out what Jesus meant at Luke 21:24 by using the Bible and the Bible only. None of this is based on theological reasoning which would be from human origin. It’s all based on the Bible which is not from human origin. One of biggest misconceptions about Jehovah’s Witnesses is that we were the ones who came up with the 1914 date and as Zeb said in an earlier post, that Jesus came down and told only Russell and his associates that he’d return in 1914. Russell credits other people for calculating how long the Gentile Times would last, when in history the Gentile Times began and when the Gentile Times would end. Now this is the main difference between Russell and his associates and the other men who contributed to figuring out when the Gentile Times began and how long it would last. The other men were students of the Bible but they were part of established religions that would have quickly dismissed this information because it went against what was taught in their denominations. On the other hand, Russell was part of a group called the Bible Students who were a group of individuals who were not part of a formal religion. These were men and women who started as a study group with the intent to find the truth. They had the understanding that they did not yet have the truth and that they were learning which is why they called themselves Bible Students. Where this information was dismissed by the other people who contributed to figuring out the Gentile Times prophecy by their denominations, the Bible Students on the hand, embraced it and looked forward to that date as a year of significance. Since they didn’t have a full understanding of what exactly would happen once the Gentile Times ended they wrongly thought that the end would come. But here is the difference between the Bible Students at that time and other religions. They were humble enough to admit that they didn’t have all of the answers. Several years before 1914 came, Russell was telling the other Bible Students that the end may not come and if it didn’t, that they were the ones who errored regarding what would happen when the Gentile Times ended. They were humble which is a quality the God likes.

Tiribulus, you’re quoting from a book that was written in the late 1800’s when the Bible Students were in their infancy and they knew that they didn’t have the complete truth. Heck, when that book was written the Bible Students used the cross in their worship and believed that the pyramids in Giza was from divine origin. They eventually realized that both were unscriptural and removed the cross from their worship and clearly explained from the Bible why this was idolatry and wrote an article in the journal The Watchtower about why the pyramid of Giza is a pagan monument. What your doing with that book you have would be like taking the New England Journal of Medicine or some other prominent journal that started in the 1800’s and going to the publisher today and saying you guys are full of crap because back in this 1850 issue you guys said something that turned out to be false. We haven’t used that book for about 70 years because we have a much better understanding of the scriptures than what the Bible Students had back in the late 1800’s.

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[quote]BreStruction wrote:
Can any JWs tell me what happens to the rest of y’all (the none 144,000) that don’t make it to Paradise on Earth, when Earth it ends? Which is going to be soon right? Just curious! [/quote]

The earth will never be destroyed.
psalms 78:69 And he began to build his sanctuary just like the heights,
Like the earth that he has founded to time indefinite
isaiah 45:18 For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: â??I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.
psalms 37:11 But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.
Psalm 37:29 The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it.

So the meek ones will live forever on the earth forever just as Jehovah’s original plan was.

Someone also asked if adam and eve died the same day. The answer is yes according to Jehovah.
2 peter 3:8 However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.

So 1 day is a 1000 years to Jehovah and since no man has lived a 1000 years, Adam died the same day to Jehovah.

Finally from Jesus’ own mouth he stated at John 3:16 For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

Here is the definition of begotten from Begotten - definition of begotten by The Free Dictionary

adj. 1. begotten - (of offspring) generated by procreation; “naturally begotten child”
biological - of parents and children; related by blood; “biological child”

So Jesus was the only creation by his own hands {figurative} that he created. Since Jehovah has no beginning or end he cant be Jehovah.

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[quote]Vonamberg wrote:

[quote]BreStruction wrote:
Can any JWs tell me what happens to the rest of y’all (the none 144,000) that don’t make it to Paradise on Earth, when Earth it ends? Which is going to be soon right? Just curious! [/quote]

The earth will never be destroyed.
psalms 78:69 And he began to build his sanctuary just like the heights,
Like the earth that he has founded to time indefinite
isaiah 45:18 For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: �¢??I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.
psalms 37:11 But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.
Psalm 37:29 The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it.

So the meek ones will live forever on the earth forever just as Jehovah’s original plan was.

Someone also asked if adam and eve died the same day. The answer is yes according to Jehovah.
2 peter 3:8 However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.

So 1 day is a 1000 years to Jehovah and since no man has lived a 1000 years, Adam died the same day to Jehovah.

Finally from Jesus’ own mouth he stated at John 3:16 For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

Here is the definition of begotten from Begotten - definition of begotten by The Free Dictionary

adj. 1. begotten - (of offspring) generated by procreation; “naturally begotten child”
biological - of parents and children; related by blood; “biological child”

So Jesus was the only creation by his own hands {figurative} that he created. Since Jehovah has no beginning or end he cant be Jehovah.

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LMAO…you guys kill me I love it…GO GO GO GO…Do more of this nonsense I need to be entertained!

(The trinity has you befuddled huh?)

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OMG! I mean…nevermind

Vomanberg…

Half your verses don’t even mention the destruction of the earth.

The “1000 years is like a day and a day is like a 1000 years” is just expressing that God is not confined by time. He doesn’t experience time like we do.

Only things of the same essence (being) can beget their own kind. God can only beget a creature that shares his same qualities. Anything else is FORMED (or created). If Jesus is begotten of the Father (and shares his essence…which is WHAT he is) then Jesus shares the quality of ETERNALITY. Remember, something can only beget another thing that has the same qualities. A human can only beget a human. God can only beget God, and God is eternal. So what does this mean then? Well we can’t compare God’s nature to his creation. So in what way was Jesus begotten? His sonship. His son-like relationship to the first person of the trinity. That is what is meant by begotten. And this relationship is by his own accord. He agreed to subject himself to the Father.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Vonamberg wrote:

[quote]BreStruction wrote:
Can any JWs tell me what happens to the rest of y’all (the none 144,000) that don’t make it to Paradise on Earth, when Earth it ends? Which is going to be soon right? Just curious! [/quote]

The earth will never be destroyed.
psalms 78:69 And he began to build his sanctuary just like the heights,
Like the earth that he has founded to time indefinite
isaiah 45:18 For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: �?�¢??I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.
psalms 37:11 But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.
Psalm 37:29 The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it.

So the meek ones will live forever on the earth forever just as Jehovah’s original plan was.

Someone also asked if adam and eve died the same day. The answer is yes according to Jehovah.
2 peter 3:8 However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.

So 1 day is a 1000 years to Jehovah and since no man has lived a 1000 years, Adam died the same day to Jehovah.

Finally from Jesus’ own mouth he stated at John 3:16 For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

Here is the definition of begotten from Begotten - definition of begotten by The Free Dictionary

adj. 1. begotten - (of offspring) generated by procreation; “naturally begotten child”
biological - of parents and children; related by blood; “biological child”

So Jesus was the only creation by his own hands {figurative} that he created. Since Jehovah has no beginning or end he cant be Jehovah.

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LMAO…you guys kill me I love it…GO GO GO GO…Do more of this nonsense I need to be entertained!

(The trinity has you befuddled huh?)
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No I choice not to accept pagan beliefs in my worship. If you want to go ahead we all have free will.

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[quote]Vonamberg wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Vonamberg wrote:

[quote]BreStruction wrote:
Can any JWs tell me what happens to the rest of y’all (the none 144,000) that don’t make it to Paradise on Earth, when Earth it ends? Which is going to be soon right? Just curious! [/quote]

The earth will never be destroyed.
psalms 78:69 And he began to build his sanctuary just like the heights,
Like the earth that he has founded to time indefinite
isaiah 45:18 For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: �??�?�¢??I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.
psalms 37:11 But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.
Psalm 37:29 The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it.

So the meek ones will live forever on the earth forever just as Jehovah’s original plan was.

Someone also asked if adam and eve died the same day. The answer is yes according to Jehovah.
2 peter 3:8 However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.

So 1 day is a 1000 years to Jehovah and since no man has lived a 1000 years, Adam died the same day to Jehovah.

Finally from Jesus’ own mouth he stated at John 3:16 For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

Here is the definition of begotten from Begotten - definition of begotten by The Free Dictionary

adj. 1. begotten - (of offspring) generated by procreation; “naturally begotten child”
biological - of parents and children; related by blood; “biological child”

So Jesus was the only creation by his own hands {figurative} that he created. Since Jehovah has no beginning or end he cant be Jehovah.

[/quote]

LMAO…you guys kill me I love it…GO GO GO GO…Do more of this nonsense I need to be entertained!

(The trinity has you befuddled huh?)
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No I choice not to accept pagan beliefs in my worship. If you want to go ahead we all have free will. [/quote]

And it just so happens that you and the cult that you’re in are the only ones who know the real truth…shhh…top secret.

LOL—No really, you need to read up on your Bible history. There are a multitude of Bible scholars who have dedicated their lives to interpreting scripture. Pick one of them outside your cult and give it a shot.

Otherwise, all you have are half truths seeded with a little fiction.

Sorry man, I wish I had better news.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

And it just so happens that you and the cult that you’re in are the only ones who know the real truth…shhh…top secret.
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I know, right?

It is obvious that the Hindus have it all figured out!

I mean, a Jewish carpenter that was neiled to a cross by which he takes away all of mankinds sins?

Puuuu-lease!

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

And it just so happens that you and the cult that you’re in are the only ones who know the real truth…shhh…top secret.
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I know, right?

It is obvious that the Hindus have it all figured out!

I mean, a Jewish carpenter that was neiled to a cross by which he takes away all of mankinds sins?

Puuuu-lease![/quote]

No an Austrian who lives on an American body building web site has it all figured out. (Eye Roll)