Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution

The chef being/not-being a douche bag aside, feeding kids those kind of diets is tantamount to serious child abuse. Abuse by parents and the government.

I read an article quite a number of years back about the bill that went through congress allowing a higher percentage of soy in the lunch program because it was deemed healthy.

The lunch program was started with the mindset of doing a good thing so every kid would come to school and get a meal.

I’m sorry, but I come from a country that makes parents responsible to feed their kids. We don’t have lunch programs, and the last organization I would want feeding my kid would be a government department.

My kid is 27 with her own kid. She works out, takes a few supps, eats clean and has a healthy distrust for the mainstream nutritional establishment. A school poison program would have made my job in teaching her difficult.

This chef can do nothing by himself, he has to have American parents (and then their kids) behind him.

If you’re American and live in the Fat States, grow some balls and take up the cause.

Your govwernment is poisoning your children with your consent.

[quote]D.R.P. wrote:
My kid is 27 with her own kid. She works out, takes a few supps, eats clean and has a healthy distrust for the mainstream nutritional establishment. A school poison program would have made my job in teaching her difficult.

This chef can do nothing by himself, he has to have American parents (and then their kids) behind him.

If you’re American and live in the Fat States, grow some balls and take up the cause.

Your govwernment is poisoning your children with your consent.[/quote]

Kids are not forced to eat school lunch. They can bring their own lunch from home as my son does. While I agree that the school lunches are horrible, they are not mandatory so my child is not being poisoned at school.

[quote]D.R.P. wrote:
I read an article quite a number of years back about the bill that went through congress allowing a higher percentage of soy in the lunch program because it was deemed healthy.
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Yeah, I’m a nutrition student and in one of my classes (experimental foods), we fooled around with the percentage of TSP (textured soy protein) you could add to a meatloaf before it become unpalatable. Our book said the government allows up to 20% TSP in school lunch foods - to save money.

[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:

Kids are not forced to eat school lunch. They can bring their own lunch from home as my son does. While I agree that the school lunches are horrible, they are not mandatory so my child is not being poisoned at school.
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Thank you for setting me straight.

Does it make it hard for kids to bring a healthy lunch, while many others get desirable junkfood?

Ill tell you from the perspective of someone that brought lunch… have a kid make their own lunch and they’ll eat it. Pack them a lunch and they’re going to trade for other things or just throw away parts entirely. Reality.

Does anyone else remember when Shaq tried to institute a school exercise program and he was met with a lot of resistance also. It makes me wonder if the officials don’t want to consider a change because then it might mean they aren’t doing the best job.

[quote]Enders Drift wrote:
Ill tell you from the perspective of someone that brought lunch… have a kid make their own lunch and they’ll eat it. Pack them a lunch and they’re going to trade for other things or just throw away parts entirely. Reality.[/quote]

This.

I just saw the 2nd episode and whatever the guy’s motives are, it does seem like he is trying to make the kids healthier and I give him respect for that.

My little bro is in hs and a bunch of kids boycotted school lunches for a week since they were being served crap. Well, now they get things cooked (not reheated) on site instead of Dominos or whatever was brought in. So change can happen but it just takes some economic bullying to get things moving.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Does anyone else remember when Shaq tried to institute a school exercise program and he was met with a lot of resistance also. It makes me wonder if the officials don’t want to consider a change because then it might mean they aren’t doing the best job.

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If you can find it, there’s a book called Food Fight that chronicles the trend toward selling processed crap by schools and the economic reasoning behind it. I think it’s terrible the things that kids can buy nowadays in school cafeterias but from an economic standpoint, it makes perfect sense for the school districts. Unfortunately, money is what tends to matter at the end of the day.

from PURE FACTS October 2002
A different kind of school lunch
Students in one midwestern community are enjoying fresh,
delicious food plus a big change in their learning environment.
Walk down the hallways of the Appleton, Wisconsin, Central Alternative High School and you will see students focused on their education, interacting successfully with each other and with their teachers. Notice the calmness and purposefulness that sets these teens apart from others.

You will notice that the hallways are different in another respect. They aren’t lined with soft drink and junk food machines. Then check out the cafeteria. There is no smell of grease. Burgers, fries and burritos have been replaced with salads, meats prepared with old fashioned recipes, and whole grain breads. Fresh fruits and vegetables are offered and the students drink water.

Grades are up, truancy is no longer a problem, arguments are rare, and teachers are able to spend their time teaching. What’s going on in Appleton Wisconsin?

In 1997 Natural Ovens of Manitowoc, WI initiated a five-year project to bring healthy food into area schools. The goal was to show that fresh, nutritious food can make a real difference in the student’s behavior, learning and health.

Just prior to the beginning of the program, Greg Bretthauer was offered the job of dean of students at the school. What he saw were teens who were “rude, obnoxious, and ill mannered” and he turned the job down. Because the school had so many problems with discipline and weapons violations a police officer was recruited to be on the staff. He found a school that was out of control.

Today Greg is the dean of students in an atmosphere that is vastly different from what he saw in 1997.

DVD The story of the Appleton project has been documented on a short DVD, Impact of Fresh, Healthy Foods on Learning and Behavior. It is also part of their Roadmap to Healthy Foods in School, and both are available from Natural Press, 1-877-629-8398.

Principal LuAnn Coenen is amazed at the change she has seen in her school. Each year principals are required to file a report with the state of Wisconsin, detailing the number of students who have: dropped out, been expelled, been found using drugs, carrying weapons or who have committed suicide. Since the start of the program, she reported, the numbers in every category have been “zero.”

Mary Bruyette, a teacher at the high school, believes “If you’ve been guzzling Mountain Dew and eating chips and you’re flying all over the place I don’t think you’re going to pick up a whole lot in class.” She reports that the students are now calm and well behaved. “I don’t have to deal with the daily discipline issues; that just isn’t an issue here.”

Mary goes on to say, “Our biggest problems now at the school are parking in the parking lot and student tardiness. I don’t have the disruptions in class or the difficulties with student behavior that I experienced before we started the food program.”

Students who previously had been headed for trouble have turned their lives around, according to Dr. Thomas Scullen, Superintendent of the Appleton Area School District. He told the interviewer, “We have kids who have had a lot of problems and got through the whole last year without an expulsion. Drop-outs dropped to non-existent. Kids came to school. They have learned that with healthier foods it’s going to make them a better person. It keeps them more focused and makes them happier.”

Dr. Scullen had expected that the healthy diet would improve behavior, but he was pleasantly surprised that it has had such an impact on academic performance.

Mary Bruyette can demand more, academically, from the students than she previously had. Now she can use all of the class period for instruction.

The high school’s counselor, Deb Larson, says, “I don’t have the angry outbursts so instead we get to deal with the real issues that are underlying and causing some of the problems in the kid’s lives.”

Why don’t other schools try this approach?

Typically, while school dietitians want children to eat healthier food, they are convinced such efforts will be futile, and if students cannot get their fast food in the cafeteria they will buy it off campus. This does not appear to have been a problem in Appleton, where the food is not only natural, it is prepared with care; Natural Ovens made sure of this by hiring and training the cooks for the school.

Like children on the Feingold Program, once these teens have made the connection between food, behavior and learning, they tend to prefer to enjoy the benefits. One student said, “I really like the food. It tastes good, it’s hot, it’s fresh.”

One girl commented, “Now that I concentrate I think it is easier to get along with people 'cause now I’m paying attention to what they have to say and not just worrying about what I have to say to them.” Another student said, “If you’re going for a big test you want to eat great.”

The on-campus policeman, Dan Tauber, is able to be a role model now, instead of a disciplinarian. Students are interested in how he eats to keep in such good physical shape, and have noticed their athletic abilities have a lot to do with their diet.

“Returning students are now the advocates for the program. The kids encourage each other,” according to Mary Bruyette. “They set the example for the new kids. It works great.”

Many of the changes are being phased in to Appleton’s middle and elementary schools. Candy machines are gone and pop machines are being replaced with juice machines or water coolers. There is a district-wide commitment to healthier eating and lifestyle in general.

“I’ve taught here almost 30 years. I see the kids this year as calmer, easier to talk to. They just seem more rational. I had thought about retiring this year and basically I’ve decided to teach another year – I’m having too much fun!”

  • Dennis Abrahm,
    middle school science teacher

Even in schools where more modest changes have been made, there are some real differences. Gary Van Lankvelt, principal of the Einstein Middle School, has seen “more calmness and less bouncy activity. Students seem to be more alert and focused.”

Madison Middle School’s principal, Fred Ginnochio says the students are buying the healthier a la carte items and more are using the salad bar. He has found when the kids are in the halls “we have not had one incident all year that I have had to get involved in with shoving, a fight, aggressive behavior.”

Dr. Scullen sees an eventual switchover in all of Appleton’s schools. “It can take several years to make the transition. The program will sell itself on its own merits, given the time. I think instead of looking at the food program as a “break-even” we have to take a look at what do we have to put in to make it really good for the kids.”

What about increased cost?

“One child arrested
would cost the schools more.”

  • Dr. Barbara Reed Stitt,
    Natural Ovens President

Natural Ovens underwrote the cost for their 5 year study that will eventually impact 200 Wisconsin schools. The price to turn the problem around was $20,000 a year. Natural Ovens President, Dr. Barbara Reed Stitt, noted that “one child arrested would cost the schools more.”

Dr. Scullen believes, “if it results in a happier kid, improved learning, and ultimately a better community then it’s a cost we cannot avoid. It’s something we must do.”

Says Dan Tauber “Let’s invest in the kids now, financially, with food versus invest in them later, financially, with ‘how do we correct the problems we have because they are not eating healthy?’”

“Nutrition for students should be part of the general operating budget” according to Mary Bruyette. “We’re concerned about everything else. We’re concerned about new band uniforms. We’re concerned about the football team. We’re concerned about text books. Why not be concerned about nutrition? That seems to me the basis in many cases for creating a positive learning environment.”

LuAnn Coenen says “I can’t buy the argument that it’s too costly for schools to provide good nutrition for their students. I found that one cost will reduce another. I don’t have the vandalism. I don’t have the litter. I don’t have the need for high security.” “We’ve got to stop using our most precious commodity – our kids – to make extra money.”

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Here is the 28 page case study:

http://www.michaelfieldsaginst.org/work/urbanag/case_study.pdf

[quote]D.R.P. wrote:

[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:

Kids are not forced to eat school lunch. They can bring their own lunch from home as my son does. While I agree that the school lunches are horrible, they are not mandatory so my child is not being poisoned at school.
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Thank you for setting me straight.

Does it make it hard for kids to bring a healthy lunch, while many others get desirable junkfood?[/quote]

Most of the school lunches are actually pretty gross. I mean, it’s chicken nuggets or pizza but it’s really lousy chicken nuggets and pizza. I know when I was a kid we used to joke about how nasty the food was and make up stories about people dying from it. It’s pretty much the same at my son’s school.

I count on lunch being the unhealthiest meal of his day though. It’s hard to compete with moms who send along a couple candy bars and bags of Doritos. I pack him “healthier” treats like fruit leather or fruit juice since we don’t really drink juice at home. He makes his own sandwiches or wraps or he’ll take cut up chicken, cheese and pickles instead.

I don’t think his lunches are super healthy but I’ve gotten comments from teachers about how healthy they are so I guess compared to the other kids he’s doing pretty good. If I do let him have a candy bar, I send one of those little bite size ones and he’s happy with that because he doesn’t get a lot of sweets at home.

[quote]Enders Drift wrote:
Ill tell you from the perspective of someone that brought lunch… have a kid make their own lunch and they’ll eat it. Pack them a lunch and they’re going to trade for other things or just throw away parts entirely. Reality.[/quote]

Yeah, that’s true. I gave up on packing vegetables because my son just throws them out.

i thought school lunch was disgusting…the pizza was shit…most of the time i didn’t eat much at school…i ate when i got home…

the thing i hated the most was how the meat tasted…I ate a lot of meat at home…So, I could tell the difference between what real meat tastes like and the nasty shit they serve at school…

but there were clearly many kids who enjoyed it…I went to school in a poor area…most students there pretty much all got free lunch…Bringing lunch is not an option for them when the school will give them free breakfast and lunch everyday…

A few reactions to this show:

  1. I always find it funny and irritating when “the budget” is cited as a reason why something can’t be done. For example, one of the administrators in the show said that Jamie was coming in over budget because of his revised meals and that this was unacceptable.

As a society, are we really this short-sighted? What the hell does staying within budget really mean when in the longrun the kids in this show are ending up with diabetes, heart disease, and other medical problems, and as a result, are utilizing the healthcare system and costing taxpayers a hell of a lot more money that what would have been “over budget” for a healthy school food program?

  1. Someone posted an article about why schools don’t adopt a healthier food program, and dietitians were quoted as saying that they were skeptical that it would work, and that kids wouldn’t eat healthier foods.

What a shitty and unproductive attitude. I must have forgotten how kids decades ago grew up eating off of the pizza and french fry trees. I guess kids decades ago were starving and undernourished as a result of not drinking flavored milk.

What are the variables that control eating shitty food? What are the variables that control eating healthy food? Let’s understand this from a scientific point of view instead of giving up and saying “ehh, I can’t do much, sorry.” You’re a fucking dietitian for fuck’s sake. If you can’t get someone to change their diet, what good are you?

[quote]mrw173 wrote:
A few reactions to this show:

  1. I always find it funny and irritating when “the budget” is cited as a reason why something can’t be done. For example, one of the administrators in the show said that Jamie was coming in over budget because of his revised meals and that this was unacceptable.

As a society, are we really this short-sighted? What the hell does staying within budget really mean when in the longrun the kids in this show are ending up with diabetes, heart disease, and other medical problems, and as a result, are utilizing the healthcare system and costing taxpayers a hell of a lot more money that what would have been “over budget” for a healthy school food program?

  1. Someone posted an article about why schools don’t adopt a healthier food program, and dietitians were quoted as saying that they were skeptical that it would work, and that kids wouldn’t eat healthier foods.

What a shitty and unproductive attitude. I must have forgotten how kids decades ago grew up eating off of the pizza and french fry trees. I guess kids decades ago were starving and undernourished as a result of not drinking flavored milk.

What are the variables that control eating shitty food? What are the variables that control eating healthy food? Let’s understand this from a scientific point of view instead of giving up and saying “ehh, I can’t do much, sorry.” You’re a fucking dietitian for fuck’s sake. If you can’t get someone to change their diet, what good are you?[/quote]

Because we think money (making, saving) is the most legit metric no matter the situation we’re looking at. We are a perverted society, stat-obsessed and think micro-managing a few dollars means we did a job well.

Staying within budget means everything. Those cooks, teachers, and employees need to get their paychecks. Cash isn’t infinite. Most would agree that school budgets need to be raised but to just tell a school to go over their budget is a terrible idea. Debt doesn’t do anyone a bit o’ good.

I’d be more interested in knowing if that study is true and students improved in their attitude and academics so much could the schools do a cost analysis and see if its reasonable to invest in going over budget one year if it means increasing their grade scores, since typically A Schools get more funds than lower ranked schools. Not sure how much more it is and if its enough to make that drastic shift or if the school just has to wait for either the budget to change or the FDA to produce a better food pyramid.

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:

[quote]mrw173 wrote:
A few reactions to this show:

  1. I always find it funny and irritating when “the budget” is cited as a reason why something can’t be done. For example, one of the administrators in the show said that Jamie was coming in over budget because of his revised meals and that this was unacceptable.

As a society, are we really this short-sighted? What the hell does staying within budget really mean when in the longrun the kids in this show are ending up with diabetes, heart disease, and other medical problems, and as a result, are utilizing the healthcare system and costing taxpayers a hell of a lot more money that what would have been “over budget” for a healthy school food program?

  1. Someone posted an article about why schools don’t adopt a healthier food program, and dietitians were quoted as saying that they were skeptical that it would work, and that kids wouldn’t eat healthier foods.

What a shitty and unproductive attitude. I must have forgotten how kids decades ago grew up eating off of the pizza and french fry trees. I guess kids decades ago were starving and undernourished as a result of not drinking flavored milk.

What are the variables that control eating shitty food? What are the variables that control eating healthy food? Let’s understand this from a scientific point of view instead of giving up and saying “ehh, I can’t do much, sorry.” You’re a fucking dietitian for fuck’s sake. If you can’t get someone to change their diet, what good are you?[/quote]

Because we think money (making, saving) is the most legit metric no matter the situation we’re looking at. We are a perverted society, stat-obsessed and think micro-managing a few dollars means we did a job well.[/quote]

This is the most ass-backwards logic I’ve ever heard.

“The budget” is crucial because resources exist in finite amounts and devoting more than the allotted amount to subsidized lunches means resources are being routed AWAY from necessary things like up to date textbooks and computers, building maintenance, and teacher’s salaries. Public school lunches typically cost around $1/day, which is equal to or less than what they cost the school.

You are a California liberal, IIRC, so it’s understandable that you don’t grasp that simple concept. Californian’s haven’t seen an actual budget in several decades.

School lunches are an entitlement. No one is forcing kids to eat that food and no one is forcing parents to not pack a lunch for their children. Don’t like the food the school is serving? Fine. Spend that $5 a week on a loaf of bread and some pb or lunch meat and give them a quarter for a carton of milk at school.

This thread is a perfect example of why America is over budget and deeply in debt. Everyone “deserves” whatever they want for free and everyone thinks they should have a say in how other people live their lives. How fat other people are or how fat other people’s kids are is none of your business, just as how much time you spend at the gym isn’t anyone else’s business.

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:

[quote]mrw173 wrote:
A few reactions to this show:

  1. I always find it funny and irritating when “the budget” is cited as a reason why something can’t be done. For example, one of the administrators in the show said that Jamie was coming in over budget because of his revised meals and that this was unacceptable.

As a society, are we really this short-sighted? What the hell does staying within budget really mean when in the longrun the kids in this show are ending up with diabetes, heart disease, and other medical problems, and as a result, are utilizing the healthcare system and costing taxpayers a hell of a lot more money that what would have been “over budget” for a healthy school food program?

  1. Someone posted an article about why schools don’t adopt a healthier food program, and dietitians were quoted as saying that they were skeptical that it would work, and that kids wouldn’t eat healthier foods.

What a shitty and unproductive attitude. I must have forgotten how kids decades ago grew up eating off of the pizza and french fry trees. I guess kids decades ago were starving and undernourished as a result of not drinking flavored milk.

What are the variables that control eating shitty food? What are the variables that control eating healthy food? Let’s understand this from a scientific point of view instead of giving up and saying “ehh, I can’t do much, sorry.” You’re a fucking dietitian for fuck’s sake. If you can’t get someone to change their diet, what good are you?[/quote]

Because we think money (making, saving) is the most legit metric no matter the situation we’re looking at. We are a perverted society, stat-obsessed and think micro-managing a few dollars means we did a job well.[/quote]

This is the most ass-backwards logic I’ve ever heard.

“The budget” is crucial because resources exist in finite amounts and devoting more than the allotted amount to subsidized lunches means resources are being routed AWAY from necessary things like up to date textbooks and computers, building maintenance, and teacher’s salaries. Public school lunches typically cost around $1/day, which is equal to or less than what they cost the school.

You are a California liberal, IIRC, so it’s understandable that you don’t grasp that simple concept. Californian’s haven’t seen an actual budget in several decades.

School lunches are an entitlement. No one is forcing kids to eat that food and no one is forcing parents to not pack a lunch for their children. Don’t like the food the school is serving? Fine. Spend that $5 a week on a loaf of bread and some pb or lunch meat and give them a quarter for a carton of milk at school.

This thread is a perfect example of why America is over budget and deeply in debt. Everyone “deserves” whatever they want for free and everyone thinks they should have a say in how other people live their lives. How fat other people are or how fat other people’s kids are is none of your business, just as how much time you spend at the gym isn’t anyone else’s business.
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The point is that budgets are useless if they end up costing more money in the long-run. For example, if cutting lunch costs in half means 10x greater costs in the longrun when you factor in medical costs from obesity, diabetes, heart disease, then what good is it?

At the systemic level, it’s obviously a lot more complicated than that. I realize that schools just can’t go over budget because they want to. But in this day and age where we should have data on just about everything, someone should be able to do a cost analysis on something like this. Those data should tell us something about how lunches at school end up taxing other areas of society, and it should be taken into account.

Medical costs from obesity, diabetes, etc only exist if you continue to pay for people’s shit for them throughout their lives.

Trying to solve the problem of programs being over budget with more programs that go over their budgets is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline.

amazing first episode.

I’m in the thinking stages of how to get this shown at my gym.

got a few topic titles in mind, anyone care to give their input on them?

“Attention Parents, Insert # Ways You Support Child Abuse Everyday”

“Attention Parents, How 95% of You Support Child Abuse”

I want something that shocking and grabs their attention.

I give monthly seminars there and I would probably do like a quick 10 min intro, then roll the footage from the show. We are in desperate need to reach the kid market and perhaps this is one way to do it.

thats a good idea, but im sure many of them would take offense