I've Got Low Test...

I got my blood test back from my Doctor. I’ve done two weak cycles in my life, ie like 2-3 weeks on oral dbol, nothing major or to be honest worthwhile. Pretty stupid actually.

Anyways, my last cycle was last November, until early weeks of December. I took dbols everyday startin (I’ve gotten this written down somewhere) but I believe 5 mg and getting up 15 mg and then weaning down to half pills and quarter pills in the last week. I thought I was wise.

Anyways, right after getting off cycle, I got a blood test, and my test was @ 100, super low. I took the advice of many guys on these forums and some guys at my gym, who said “Well you just got off cycle a day before, the test will come back in two or 3 weeks, so I wouldn’t worry about it.”

Well, I didn’t worry about it. In fact I waited till 2 weeks ago to worry about it again, when I went to see a doctor to get a follow up on blood work 10 months later…my cholesterol levels, alkaline levels, and estrogen levels have evened out. Unfortunaely…my test is @ 211 now, when it should be between 240-900, and for my age group, I should be at about 400 or so at least.

I feel like shyt, my doctor told me to set up a consultation. He said the options are to put me on test, or wait it out. He prefers to wait it out, he says if my levels are not in range by a year from my first blood test, then I really should get treatment. The last thing he wants to do is decalibrate my test levels again. He also says, he can kick off my pituitary gland using some treatment, to basically get my brain sending messages back to my balls, but unfortunately, he says chances are slim to none my insurance will pay for that.

I feel like killing myself. I had no idea I’ve been a walking girl man for a year now, that has thrown off my sex life and personal life. However, I don’t feel weak, unconfident nor non-aggressive. I feel peaceful honestly. Last May, during this whole period and after my steroid use, I competed in a power lifting tournament, so I don’t understand how my test could be this fucking low.

This is just brutal, I mean you’ve got guys who do this for years and years, and I do two SMALL cycles, and now my balance is RUINED.

The only other thing, maybe that my test has been naturally low, which could make sense. I was always physically and high bf since I was 14, in fact when I was 14 I was basically obese. Luckily, I believe I have a blood test prior to steroid use from when I was 19, and one from when I was 17 I believe, as a control group. My doc will look at this and be able to make some assumptions. I really wished, I’d never fucked with it, I remember when I was 19, I was just fukking naturally anabolic, I was like a goddamn bull, jesus, fuck.

What are some literature, and resources I can look at to 1) naturally raise my test levels, 2) treatments that restore my pituitary kicking to my balls, 3) Possibly, recalibrate my body’s test levels either through another cycle or some sort of other method.

Please help guys, I’m pretty much lower than I’ve ever been.

Okay. I’ll get a copy of my bloodwork by Friday or perhaps tomorrow. I’ll post the two I have.

I got a copy of my b*work, unfortunately my doc didn’t even get estrogen lvls tested. Wierd huh? When I go see him on Monday, I’m going to ask him to get estrogen levels tested.

He’s wiling to give me a test cycle, he’s just not sure it’ll make me normal if I get off. Should I take the test prescription?

And then just double down the test, buy some estrogen blockers, suppress the estrogen, and then at the end of the cycle, do whatever PCT would be appropriate for the Test cycle and then take HCG with that to get my nads kicking again?

I don’t know shyt about steroids, but having read a little bit, this seems like a viable option to me. I’m asking cuz I admit, I don’t know much.

Go to another doc…get asecond opinion…whatever you do I would not suggest cycling again by yourself…you need the assistance of a medical doc at this point.

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Go to another doc…get asecond opinion…whatever you do I would not suggest cycling again by yourself…you need the assistance of a medical doc at this point.[/quote]

Man I am so creeped, I’m losing all this time of my vibrant and strong youth to low test, it’s realy freaking me the fukk out, I just want this to be fixed.

Does anyone know anyone who has had a similar experience such as this?

Im not trying to weird you out man…its gonna be ok…if you are young you still have time to fix things. im just not suggesting you take Merrygo roud advice. I would look for a specialist who deals with Tlevels on a regualar basis…you can find em…they exsist…even tho BUSHIDOBADBOY does know what hes talking about… :slight_smile:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Im not trying to weird you out man…its gonna be ok…if you are young you still have time to fix things. im just not suggesting you take Merrygo roud advice. I would look for a specialist who deals with Tlevels on a regualar basis…you can find em…they exsist…even tho BUSHIDOBADBOY does know what hes talking about… :)[/quote]

My Doc said he deals with with WSM competitor and bodybuilders who had balls, the size of ‘raisins,’ however, if this is the case, I’m wondering why he’s acting so sheepish with me?

Post fasting cholesterol and glucose numbers.

If in the USA, get the male panel blood tests from LEF.org. You also need a LH and FSH lab work to determine if the problem is with the testes.

You best indicator of T levels in your early years is your body and facial hair. Perhaps scalp hair loss. Loss of hair on your lower legs is typical to low T. The type of facial bone structure is also an indicator of T levels - another often overlooked secondary sexual characteristic.

Doing T from the doc will just be another botched cycle.

Speak to:

Age
height
Weight
Weight gain
waist size
Where do you normally carry fat and where have you gained fat
Any gyno now or in the last
Some Rx and OTC drugs can lead to increased E and less T
Where are you located - affects treatment options
Diet
Supplements
vitamin-D
fish-oil
skin changes, thinning, dry, crinkly, fragile
changes to visual field or reduced peripheral vision
tobacco
alcohol
stimulants/caffeine/ephedrine
balding and any related meds[ever used]
when did this happen
any blows to the head or whiplash before problems started
testes: size, firmness and how do they hang

PM with any of the above that you do not feel comfortable posting here.

Read the estrogen and injection stickies on the over 35 forum. This post should be there.

This problem will be fixed, there is no doubt in my mind.
I am determined to fix this. Once we ascertain the cause, I will do whatever it takes to complete myself, no matter what. If anything this has been a learning experience for me, I have done PL, been in fist fights, made love to women, all during the time that I was supposedly submale. My manhood is not made of T, rather my manhood makes my T, so all I must do is seek treatment, will myself and know that I will overcome this.

Okay so I saw the Doctor.
We talked, I asked him questions. He gave me my Estradiol blood test.
He told me he basically has no experience dealing with this. He didn’t even know about HcG usage, and I told him about what I had read about it. He said it sounded promising, but it might just be some ‘meathead sciecne.’
He thinks it is acceptable that I jsut wait it out for 2 years for my test levels to go up to 300 basically, and that is an acceptable way to live.

He also told me, he could get me a Test prescription, but, my insurance would not pay for HcG. I’m like, how does that make any sense? My insurance would hook me up with free steroids for the rest of my life, but not pay for a solution to the problem?

He doesn’t seem knowledgeable, I plan to see someone else. I’m not tripping out anymore, after some reading, I realize, I just need to find out my estrogen levels, and then either get a doc to give me some HcG treatment with estrogen blockers and serms, or , do it myself. I’m basically panicking over something that is not that big of a deal. Worst case scenario, I’ll just go visit my friend in Mexico at the end of this semester for 3 weeks and have a Mexican doctor do this HcG thing for me. From the handful of cases I’ve read, this has been the solutions for the overwhelming majority of people with a similar problem.

So, question, should I take him up on the Test prescription? I’ve come this far, what could it hurt?

If he has never prescribed hCG, how does he know that insurance would not cover that? He needs to prescribe for hypogonadism -NOT a fertility treatment.

You need the hCG to preserve your testes. Otherwise shrinkage and lost fertility are expected and the result is a drug induced organ failure. Read the stickies as I suggested above.

If your LH/FSH is high, hCG will not work and your testes are the problem. If LH/FSH is low, hCG might get the job done.

First course of action should be finding out why your T is low. Can’t really go any further without your age and other info.

[quote]KSman wrote:
If he has never prescribed hCG, how does he know that insurance would not cover that? He needs to prescribe for hypogonadism -NOT a fertility treatment.

You need the hCG to preserve your testes. Otherwise shrinkage and lost fertility are expected and the result is a drug induced organ failure. Read the stickies as I suggested above.

If your LH/FSH is high, hCG will not work and your testes are the problem. If LH/FSH is low, hCG might get the job done.

First course of action should be finding out why your T is low. Can’t really go any further without your age and other info.[/quote]
My lh is low, my new labtest hasn’t come back yet, it includes estrogen.
I will have my previous control groups and current new blood test before end of the week. I am nearly certain HcG is the answer, I’ve read a bunch of similar experiences from other people on forums, and also in literary resources, and it appears this is the solution.
I’ve read the stickies, I’ll post as much information as I can once all the documents are in.

Hope it works out well for you. I have just had a similar scary experience and I will be going to get my bloodwork soon too.

Any updates on you 3ID?

My test was low post Cyc, then went up real high (thinking maybe somehow I still had something left over in my system) and now I can tell its low again. This is like…uhmmmmm 5 months after last touching anything.