Its 'bout that Time

Also, as someone who has been both an endurance athlete and is now a strength athlete, I have to go with the whole “it depends” cop out regarding mentality. Some in the endurance world are “more is better” for sure. And I happen to be very close with someone who struggled immensely with an eating disorder (initial cause not related to sports) who is an incredible runner, and both she and I used running more as an escape. To get away from the day’s BS and improve ourselves, much like I still do with the weight room now.

HOWEVER, whereas I ate like it was going out of style, she had the underlying eating problems (and emotional stress) that weren’t as easy to deal with, and the results are visible (BOOM Female Athlete Triad). Luckily she has come a long way on recovery and is doing so much better.

But just as you say the endurance crowd goes for more, I’ve seen the exact same trend amongst some of my training partners. When they fail a rep, instead of analyzing what went wrong and correcting it, they’ll keep trying over and over. And then say they need more accessory work (obvi) and go do a ton of extra stuff and completely crap on any chance of recovery.

I think you make a very good point, but I also think it may be largely based on individual attitudes and how they carry themselves otherwise that may lead to that behavior in sport. Or it may simply be lack of guidance and education. I was coached in running to choose quality miles over quantity of miles. Someone with more experience than I and more knowledge can likely shed more light on this.

Cool idea though, thanks for getting me thinking on a Sunday, haha.

/derail

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]Spock81 wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]Spock81 wrote:
YAY on the decision making !

That sounds like exactly how I felt when I decided to get back to giving a shit about being strong VS obsessing over my body/weight loss.
I had no idea that I was unhappy being weak, I thought all I wanted was to be lean.

WRONGO. One workout back on 5/3/1 and my world made sense again. What a relief.
Having a direction without doubt or hesitation is the greatest feeling ever.
PLUS now you’re journal is going to be even more fun for me to creep. Strongman shit seems AWWESOME!![/quote]

This is how I felt too. Also, kind of interesting, I’ve trained people who told me during our initial interview that they used to have eating disorders, and it was clear from tracking their diet that they weren’t entirely over them. First of all, I sent one home a couple times because I felt she hadn’t eaten enough to make training safe. Secondly, I kept detailed notes on how much weight they were able to lift on each day and compared this to their eats. Every time they had a weak day, I would ask them what they ate the day before. After gaining strength and then having a day where they didn’t eat as much and seeing what it did to their athletic abilities, they started equating food to strength and started eating especially well the day before training.

I think you’re spot on that after a while, you realize that you love being strong more than being perfectly toned. It feels much better.[/quote]

I wish more women could come to this realization! I see so many people who try so hard to eat low cal and do excessive cardio but they never wind up happy or satisifed.
If they only knew how awesome it felt to eat hearty and lift heavy I think this world would be a better place, ha![/quote]

You know, cardio exercise is contraindicated for people with eating disorders. However, I don’t think any time has been put into finding out how strength training effects eating disorders. It’s my suspicion that a recovery program could be created around strength training, but that’s not something I’m qualified in. I’m thinking about eventually pitching this idea to some people who are and seeing if something can be done with it[/quote]

INTERESTING! I could probably back this up insert dasher log hijack, sorry

Post baby I hated my body and knew nothing about weight lifting.
Cardio turned obsessive x’s 10000
More cardio to justify food that I couldn’t control (not unhealthy, just big ass appeitte)
More cardio more cardIOoooo
MISERY

Insert T-Nation discovery
Weight lifting (incorrectly)
more weight lifting (slightly wiser)
Powerlifting (cluelessly)
Powerlifting (improved)
Powerlifting+good eats+minimal cardio = HAPPY ME!!!

Pretty sure it fixed my irrational thought process about a lotta things…

ANNDDD end hijack.

Back to dasher’s awesome-tastic insanely hard looking workouts.

[quote]Dasher wrote:
worth mentioning:
I got a new blender for my birfday and have been drinking the hellz outta this shake lately:
-1 cup coconut milk (or milk…whatever ya do)
-1/2 cup pure pumpkin (from can)
-1 scoop vanilla whey
-cinnamon
-ice for texture.

SUH good. roughly 210 calories. Like pumpkin ice cream.[/quote]

I’m going to make that right NOW


Mimz–IM a cool cat? YOU ARE!

Wiggs-- It totally is. No need for sweetener, either. The vanilla protein makes it just sweet enough. Its perfect. And you are absolutely right…it does highly depend on the person. I have limited experience so far in the matter, but I do work with women distance runners and throwers back to back some days and their mentality towards their bodies is pretty noticable. Again, totally anecdotal and it may be just the sample Im working with. Who knows! Its just a suspicion I have. lol

Spock–i hear ya. the problem with obsessive cardio for fat loss is that is comes with such a caloric deficit that its incredibly hard to control your appetite afterwards without some sick mind play. Then the cycle begins: we have a moment of weakness, eat a shit ton, and then “cardio it off.” Blah. I’ll be strong fat anyday over that. That being said, my bodyfat is sitting stable around 19% which im cool with. I have definitly been higher bodyfat with more cardio, oddly.

Kalle–yes! Lemme know how it goes! you can thank me later for this new staple shake!

I hate burpees! I had to do a shitload of 'em in circuits today. Ugh.

I know when I was training for my half marathon I got a kick from running further and further. But I only did one run a week. Chronic cardio, as it’s known on Mark’s Daily Apple, does no one any favours. And frankly, would you rather look like a distance runner or a sprinter? I know some women like the skeletal look but I’m assuming most of us here are more interested in muscle.

Incidentally, I put on fat when I was training for my half, probably because I didn’t limit my carbs the way I do most of the time. Carbs = bodyfat. Sad but true.

[quote]Dasher wrote:
worth mentioning:
I got a new blender for my birfday and have been drinking the hellz outta this shake lately:
-1 cup coconut milk (or milk…whatever ya do)
-1/2 cup pure pumpkin (from can)
-1 scoop vanilla whey
-cinnamon
-ice for texture.

SUH good. roughly 210 calories. Like pumpkin ice cream.[/quote]

Wait, is coconut milk really so little calories per cup? Where did you find coconut milk with so few? I’ve pondered getting the cans of it, but they’re like 500 calories a cup.

← not Dasher, BUT!
I bought coconut milk yesterday Made by: SILK

Also you can buy cans of coconut milk in the thai food section? I dunno…I found ‘lite,’ kind that has 50cals for 1/3 cup.

Yes. I bought the the unflavored carton kind and it’s 50 cal/cup. Yes, the canned kid is DENSE.

hehe… burpee meme is pretty funny. Keep up the good work.

Today was pretty tits.

A1) Conv. Deadlift
Warm upxwhatever
245x FUCKING 7! <-----Yaaaaaaaaayyyyyy touch down dance This was suppose to be 1 ! Next week is deload

B1) Hip Thrusts 275lbs 3x5 (what whaaaaaaaaat…another win!)
B2) Bulgarian Split Squats 115lbs 3x5/leg
B3) Pike Holds on parallelettes(sp?) 6 sets x 15 seconds each

C1) Pull ups 5x7
C2) Pushups 5x15

Supa strong biatch today!! Going to chill the eff down and go for a jog here in a bit.

Seven? You crazy mofo! The most I’ve pulled that much for is one!
Your posterior chain must but like iron!

Cal–it was the weirdest thing…I usually spend a bit of time mentally preparing for each workout and visualizing successful lifting. Today, I had no kinda time or mental space for it and I just KNEW I was going to bomb this workout so I opted to not think about it. Warm ups all felt super light and then this shiz felt light as hell. Then I was just super pumped. Maybe I should stop thinking about things before I do them. I even tried an 8th rep and got it off the ground a few inches before I was just toally outta juice. Whatever the reason, I haz a happy with this!

[quote]Dasher wrote:
Today was pretty tits.

Supa strong biatch today!! Going to chill the eff down and go for a jog here in a bit. [/quote]

Thats awesome! Supa Strong biatch everyday!

Kalle—I learned it from your blog, which has a special bookmark on my computer now!

[quote]Dasher wrote:
Today was pretty tits.

A1) Conv. Deadlift
Warm upxwhatever
245x FUCKING 7! <-----Yaaaaaaaaayyyyyy touch down dance This was suppose to be 1 ! Next week is deload

B1) Hip Thrusts 275lbs 3x5 (what whaaaaaaaaat…another win!)
B2) Bulgarian Split Squats 115lbs 3x5/leg
B3) Pike Holds on parallelettes(sp?) 6 sets x 15 seconds each

C1) Pull ups 5x7
C2) Pushups 5x15

Supa strong biatch today!! Going to chill the eff down and go for a jog here in a bit. [/quote]

If this is what 7 minutes of burpees results in, I might just have to give those fuckers a try :stuck_out_tongue:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]Dasher wrote:
Today was pretty tits.

A1) Conv. Deadlift
Warm upxwhatever
245x FUCKING 7! <-----Yaaaaaaaaayyyyyy touch down dance This was suppose to be 1 ! Next week is deload

B1) Hip Thrusts 275lbs 3x5 (what whaaaaaaaaat…another win!)
B2) Bulgarian Split Squats 115lbs 3x5/leg
B3) Pike Holds on parallelettes(sp?) 6 sets x 15 seconds each

C1) Pull ups 5x7
C2) Pushups 5x15

Supa strong biatch today!! Going to chill the eff down and go for a jog here in a bit. [/quote]

If this is what 7 minutes of burpees results in, I might just have to give those fuckers a try :stuck_out_tongue:
[/quote]

x2. Nice work Dash.

[quote]Dasher wrote:
Kalle—I learned it from your blog, which has a special bookmark on my computer now![/quote]
Yeah I try to be a bad biatch too lol. Thanks

[quote]Dasher wrote:
Mimz–IM a cool cat? YOU ARE!

Wiggs-- It totally is. No need for sweetener, either. The vanilla protein makes it just sweet enough. Its perfect. And you are absolutely right…it does highly depend on the person. I have limited experience so far in the matter, but I do work with women distance runners and throwers back to back some days and their mentality towards their bodies is pretty noticable. Again, totally anecdotal and it may be just the sample Im working with. Who knows! Its just a suspicion I have. lol

Spock–i hear ya. the problem with obsessive cardio for fat loss is that is comes with such a caloric deficit that its incredibly hard to control your appetite afterwards without some sick mind play. Then the cycle begins: we have a moment of weakness, eat a shit ton, and then “cardio it off.” Blah. I’ll be strong fat anyday over that. That being said, my bodyfat is sitting stable around 19% which im cool with. I have definitly been higher bodyfat with more cardio, oddly.

Kalle–yes! Lemme know how it goes! you can thank me later for this new staple shake![/quote]

Haha! Yay meme.

And Dashie I fully missed your epic OHP last page. Damn woman!

A word of warning on the shake-I went through a pumpkin phase a few months ago and my palms turned orange…my doctor (ok webmd) thought I had liver cancer. On the plus side, I didn’t need to tan all winter because the pumpkin gave my skin a nice hue. :slight_smile:

Nice DLing mama!

BITCHIN!!!