Israel's IDF Got Handed Their Ass

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
hedo wrote:
It’s not over yet.

Israel got suprised. They will adapt and overcome the enemy.

I think they are giving this sham cease fire a chance. It may last a week or two. The Hezbollah thugs will continue to attack and the IDF will hit them even harder. Hezbollah can’t recruit and train nearly as fast. With supply routes cut they can’t rearm as quickly if at all.

The use of advance weaponary is disturbing. It means they are being trained by a government. Iran most likely. It takes a lot of training and balls to fire a man portable anti-tank weapon at a tank. They are easy to fire but to get a hit you have to have some training. Iran needs to have their nose bloodied to get them to change. Look for that in phase two.

Sure it’s over. For a couple of years at least.

Israel wasn’t surprised. They picked this fight. They wanted it like Bush wanted Iraq. Bush egged them on. They weren’t getting what they had hoped for, but that’s not about being surprised. That’s about fooling yourself into believing your own propaganda.

Hezbollah will lay low for a while, at least a couple of years. They have their victory. They won’t risk loosing it. They’ll regroup, recruit, rearm and train.
Supply lines are cut? They’re not. Iran will be most pleased by Hezbollahs performance and will send resupplies immidiately. Syria will let them through. Reluctantly.

Who’s going to bloody Irans nose in phase 2? Israel is not going anywhere soon after this debacle. The US is still stuck in Iraq. Who then?
Iran will be more confident than ever.

What Israel could do is open negotiations with Syria. Each has something the other wants. Give them back the Golan heights and then you’ll really have cut off their main supply lines.[/quote]

Israel will cut their supply lines.

Hesbollah doesn’t have the patience to wait. A cease fire will not last a month.

The US is hardly stuck. A minor country like Belgium gets stuck, superpowers do not. The bloody nose will be given by the US or a US led coalition.

Your leader, the Iranian President, suggested last night that the Jews be given a homeland in Europe. How about Belgium? The Europeans buy into most of the Iranian arguments, perhaps this one wil haved some merit with the European appeasment crowd.

[quote]Marmadogg wrote:

Israel should carpet bomb Iran, Syrian, and Lebanon.

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that’s a little big for their britches, in fact i don’t know anybody who wears those size pants.

Forgive the long post, but this is an excellent article written by a Lebanese journalist.
Michael Behe is a writer for the Metula News Agency.

Beirut, Lebanon

The politicians, journalists and intellectuals of Lebanon have, of late, been experiencing the shock of their lives. They knew full well that Hezbollah had created an independent state in our country, a state including all the ministers and parallel institutions, duplicating those of Lebanon. What they did not know–and are discovering with this war, and what has petrified them with surprise and terror–is the extent of this phagocytosis.

In fact, our country had become an extension of Iran, and our so-called political power also served as a political and military cover for the Islamists of Teheran. We suddenly discovered that Teheran had stocked more than 12,000 missiles, of all types and calibers, on our territory and that they had patiently, systematically, organized a suppletive force, with the help of the Syrians, that took over, day after day, all the rooms in the House of Lebanon. Just imagine it: We stock ground-to-ground missiles, Zilzals, on our territory and the firing of such devices, without our knowledge, has the power to spark a regional strategic conflict and, potentially, bring about the annihilation of Lebanon.

We knew that Iran, by means of Hezbollah, was building a veritable Maginot line in the south, but it was the pictures of Maroun el Ras and Bint Jbail that revealed to us the magnitude of these constructions. This amplitude made us understand several things at once: that we were no longer masters of our destiny; that we do not possess the most basic means necessary to reverse the course of this state of things; and that those who turned our country into an outpost of their Islamic doctrine’s combat against Israel did not have the slightest intention of willingly giving up their hold over us.

The national salvation discussions that concerned the application of Resolution 1559, and which included most of the Lebanese political movements, were simply for show. Iran and Syria had not invested billions of dollars on militarizing Lebanon in order to wage their war, simply to give in to the desire of the Lebanese and the international community for them to pack up their hardware and set it up back home.

And then, the indecision, the cowardice, the division and the irresponsible behavior of our leaders are such that they had no effort to make to show their talent. No need to engage a wrestling match with the other political components of the Land of Cedars. The latter showed themselves–and continue to show themselves–to be inconsistent.

Of course, our army, reshaped over the years by the Syrian occupier so it could no longer fulfill its role as protector of the nation, did not have the capacity to tackle the militamen of the Hezbollah. Our army, whom it is more dangerous to call upon–because of the explosive equilibrium that constitutes each of its brigades–than to shut up behind locked doors in its barracks. A force that is still largely loyal to its former foreign masters, to the point of being uncontrollable; to the point of having collaborated with the Iranians to put our coastal radar stations at the disposal of their missiles, that almost sunk an Israeli boat off the shores of Beirut. As for the non-Hezbollah elements in the government, they knew nothing of the existence of land-to-sea missiles on our territory … that caused the totally justified destruction of all our radar stations by the Hebrews’ army. And even then we are getting off lightly in these goings-on.

It is easy now to whine and gripe, and to play the hypocritical role of victims. We know full well how to get others to pity us and to claim that we are never responsible for the horrors that regularly occur on our soil. Of course, that is nothing but rubbish! The Security Council’s Resolution 1559–that demanded that our government deploy our army on our sovereign territory, along our international border with Israel and that it disarm all the militia on our land–was voted on September 2, 2004.

We had two years to implement this resolution and thus guarantee a peaceful future to our children, but we did absolutely nothing. Our greatest crime–which was not the only one!–was not that we did not succeed, but that we did not attempt or undertake anything. And that was the fault of none else than the pathetic Lebanese politicians.

Our government, from the very moment the Syrian occupier left, let ships and truckloads of arms pour into our country. Without even bothering to look at their cargo. They jeopardized all chances for the rebirth of our country by confusing the Cedar Revolution with the liberation of Beirut. In reality, we had just received the chance–a sort of unhoped-for moratorium–that allowed us to take the future into our own hands, nothing more.

To think that we were not even capable of agreeing to “hang” ?mile Lahoud–Al-Assad’s puppet–on Martyrs’ Square and that he is still president of what some insist on calling our republic. … There is no need to look any further: We are what we are, that is to say, not much.

All those who assume public and communicational responsibilities in this country are responsible for this catastrophe. Except those of my colleagues, journalists, and editors, who are dead, assassinated by the Syrian thugs, because they were clearly less cowardly than those who survived. And Lahoud remained at Baadb?, the president’s palace!

And when I speak of a catastrophe, I do not mean the action accomplished by Israel in response to the aggression against its civilians and its army, which was produced from our soil and that we did strictly nothing to avoid, and for which we are consequently responsible. Any avoiding of this responsibility–some people here do not have the minimal notions of international law necessary to understand!–means that Lebanon, as a state, does not exist.

he hypocrisy goes on: Even some editorialists of the respectable L’Orient Le Jour put Hezbollah’s savagery and that of the Israelis on a par! Shame! Spinelessness! And who are we in this fable? Poor ad aeternumvictims of the ambitions of others?

Politicians either support this insane idea or keep silent. Those we would expect to speak, to save our image, remain silent like the others. And I am precisely alluding to General Aoun, who could have made a move by proclaiming the truth. Even his enemy, Walid Jumblatt, the Druze leader, has proved to be less … vague.

Lebanon a victim? What a joke!

Before the Israeli attack, Lebanon no longer existed, it was no more than a hologram. In Beirut, innocent citizens like me were forbidden access to certain areas of their own capital. But our police, our army, and our judges were also excluded. That was the case, for example, of Hezbollah’s and the Syrians’ command zone in the Haret Hreik quarter (in red on the satellite map). A square measuring a kilometer wide, a capital within the capital, permanently guarded by a Horla army, possessing its own institutions, its schools, its cr?ches, its tribunals, its radio, its television and, above all … its government. A “government” that, alone decided, in the place of the figureheads of the Lebanese government–in which Hezbollah also had its ministers!–to attack a neighboring state, with which we had no substantial or grounded quarrel, and to plunge the United States into a bloody conflict. And if attacking a sovereign nation on its territory, assassinating eight of its soldiers, kidnapping two others and, simultaneously, launching missiles on nine of its towns does not constitute a casus belli, the latter juridical principle will seriously need revising.

Thus almost all of these cowardly politicians, including numerous Shia leaders and religious personalities themselves, are blessing each bomb that falls from a Jewish F-16 turning the insult to our sovereignty that was Haret Hreik, right in the heart of Beirut, into a lunar landscape. Without the Israelis, how could we have received another chance–that we in no way deserve!–to rebuild our country?

Each Irano-Syrian fort that Jerusalem destroys, each Islamic fighter they eliminate, and Lebanon proportionally starts to live again! Once again, the soldiers of Israel are doing our work. Once again, like in 1982, we are watching–cowardly, lying low, despicable, and insulting them to boot–their heroic sacrifice that allows us to keep hoping. To not be swallowed up in the bowels of the earth. Because, of course, by dint of not giving a damn for southern Lebanon, of letting foreigners take hold of the privileges that belong to us, we no longer had the ability to recover our independence and sovereignty. If, at the end of this war, the Lebanese army retakes control over its territory and gets rid of the state within a state–that tried to suffocate the latter–it will only be thanks to the Tsahal [Israeli Defense Force], and that, all these faint-hearted politicians, from the crook Fuad Siniora, to Saad Hariri, the son of Lebanon’s plunderer, and general Aoun, all know perfectly well.

As for the destruction caused by the Israelis … that is another imposture: Look at the satellite map! I have situated, as best I could, but in their correct proportions, the parts of my capital that have been destroyed by Israel. They are Haret Hreik–in its totality–and the dwellings of Hezbollah’s leaders, situated in the large Shia suburb of Dayaa (as they spell it) and that I have circled in blue.

In addition to these two zones, Tsahal has exploded a nine-storied building that housed Hezbollah’s command, in Beirut’s city center, above and slightly to the left (to the north west) of Haret Hreik on the map. It was Nasrallah’s “perch” inside the city, whereby he asserted his presence and domination over us. A depot of Syrian arms in the port, two army radars that the Shiite officers had put at Hezbollah’s disposal, and a truck suspected of transporting arms, in the Christian quarter of Ashrafieh.

Moreover the road and airport infrastructures were put out of working order : they served to provide Hezbollah with arms and munitions. Apart from that, Tsahal has neither hit nor deteriorated anything, and all those who speak of the “destruction of Beirut” are either liars, Iranians, anti-Semites or absent. Even the houses situated one alley’s distance from the targets I mentioned have not been hit, they have not even suffered a scratch; on contemplating these results of this workyou understand the meaning of the concept “surgical strikes” and you can admire the dexterity of the Jewish pilots. Beirut, all the rest of Beirut, 95 percent of Beirut, lives and breathes better than a fortnight ago. All those who have not sided with terrorism know they have strictly nothing to fear from the Israeli planes, on the contrary! One example: Last night the restaurant where I went to eat was jammed full and I had to wait until 9:30 p.m. to get a table. Everyone was smiling, relaxed, but no one filmed them: a strange destruction of Beirut, is it not?

Of course, there are some 500,000 refugees from the south who are experiencing a veritable tragedy and who are not smiling. But Jean Tsadik, who has his eyes fixed on Kfar Kileh, and from whom I have learned to believe each word he says, assures me that practically all the houses of the aforesaid refugees are intact. So they will be able to come back as soon as Hezbollah is vanquished.

The defeat of the Shia fundamentalists of Iranian allegiance is imminent. The figures communicated by Nasrallah’s minions and by the Lebanese Red Cross are deceiving: firstly, of the 400 dead declared by Lebanon, only 150 are real collateral civilian victims of the war, the others were militiamen without uniform serving Iran. The photographic report “Les Civils des bilans libanais” made by St?phane Juffa for the Metula News Agency constitutes, to this day, the unique tangible evidence of this gigantic morbid manipulation. Which makes this document eminently important.

Moreover, Hassan Nasrallah’s organization has not lost 200 combatants, as Tsahal claims. This figure only concerns the combats taking place on the border and even then the Israelis underestimate it, for a reason that escapes me, by about a hundred militiamen eliminated. The real count of Hezbollah’s casualties, that includes those dead in Beirut, the Bekaa Valley, Baalbek and their other camps, rocket and missile launchers and arms and munition depots amounts to 1,100 supplementary Hezbollah militiamen who have definitively ceased to terrorize and humiliate my country.

Like the overwhelming majority of Lebanese, I pray that no one puts an end to the Israeli attack before it finishes shattering the terrorists. I pray that the Hebrew soldiers will penetrate all the hidden recesses of southern Lebanon and will hunt out, in our stead, the vermin that has taken root there. Like the overwhelming majority of Lebanese, I have put the champagne ready in the refrigerator to celebrate the Israeli victory.

But contrary to them–and to paraphrase [French singer] Michel Sardou–I recognize that they are also fighting for our liberty, another battle “where you were not present”! And in the name of my people, I wish to express my infinite gratitude to the relatives of the Israeli victims–civilian and military–whose loved ones have fallen so that I can live standing upright in my identity. They should know that I weep with them.

As for the pathetic clique that thrives at the head of my country, it is time for them to understand that after this war, after our natural allies have rid us of those who are hindering us from rebuilding a nation, a cease-fire or an armistice will not suffice. To ensure the future of Lebanon, it is time to make peace with those we have no reason to go to war against. In fact, only peace will ensure peace. Someone must tell them because in this country we have not learnt what a truism is.

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
[sarcasm]A valiant warrior indeed[/sarcasm]

I agree. It takes far greater courage to climb in an F-16 and bomb a village.
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You’re right it does.

When the enemy chooses to hide faceless behind innocent civillians, inocent civillians will die. This is the direct result of the brave hezbollah warrior that you apparently think is just dreamy.

Striking a village that is hiding the enemy is an unfortunate call to duty in this war. Doing what must be done is not always easy.

These are the terms of war that hezbollah has set, not Israel.

[quote]hedo wrote:
Your leader, the Iranian President, suggested last night that the Jews be given a homeland in Europe. How about Belgium? The Europeans buy into most of the Iranian arguments, perhaps this one wil haved some merit with the European appeasment crowd.
[/quote]

sounds like a great idea. if they just move out of israel, there will be no more problem. thats why the Iranians rule the middle east, to think otherwise is just fooling yourself.

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
I see you live in New Jersey. Perhaps we should level New Jersey also? How about that hot shot?[/quote]

I wish someone would.

This state sucks!

[quote]mazilla wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:

Israel should carpet bomb Iran, Syrian, and Lebanon.

that’s a little big for their britches, in fact i don’t know anybody who wears those size pants.[/quote]

The U.S. should have done it back in 1978-1979 when Iranian terrorists, including the current leader of Iran, took hostages.

But we had a fucking douchebag, limp-wristed waste of space for a president.

Make no mistake, though - if Israel, or the U.S. ever took the kid gloves off and dealt with these murderous fucking nazi bastards like they should - there will be nothing left of the region but glass.

Maybe Wreckless, and danny-boy would like to go over there and be some human shields.

[quote]mazilla wrote:
Iranians rule the middle east, to think otherwise is just fooling yourself.[/quote]

You are a dumb@$$!

[quote]mazilla wrote:
hedo wrote:
Your leader, the Iranian President, suggested last night that the Jews be given a homeland in Europe. How about Belgium? The Europeans buy into most of the Iranian arguments, perhaps this one wil haved some merit with the European appeasment crowd.

sounds like a great idea. if they just move out of israel, there will be no more problem. thats why the Iranians rule the middle east, to think otherwise is just fooling yourself.[/quote]

Define rule? They don’t seem to be doing a very good job running even their own dictatorship.

[quote]mazilla wrote:
hedo wrote:
Your leader, the Iranian President, suggested last night that the Jews be given a homeland in Europe. How about Belgium? The Europeans buy into most of the Iranian arguments, perhaps this one wil haved some merit with the European appeasment crowd.

sounds like a great idea. if they just move out of israel, there will be no more problem. thats why the Iranians rule the middle east, to think otherwise is just fooling yourself.[/quote]

Oh yes, Belgium would be a great choice. Jews are really safe there.
Belgium has a glorious Nazi past. During WW2 there was even a Waffen SS Division made up of Belgian volunteers.

Before the outbreak of World War II, Fascism was quite popular in Belgium, particularly in the French speaking region of Wallonia. Leon Degrelle, owner of a newspaper had founded the Rexist party in 1930. The Rexists watched the rise of Adolf Hitler’s NSDAP in Germany through the 1930’s and campaigned strongly for similar changes in their own country, some even fighting for the establishment of an independent Wallon nation.

When the Germans launched Fall Gelb in May 1940, the Belgian authorities placed Degrelle in custody to prevent him assisting the advancing enemy by raising dissent. Soon after Belgium’s capitulation, Degrelle was released and he immediately set about the work of furthering the Rexist party’s aims of an independent Walloon state.

Despite his efforts, Degrelle’s Rexists were largely ignored by the Germans, who were focusing their efforts on rousing the Flemings to their cause. Degrelle, seeing that Germany was not interested in his Rexists, began using his excellent oratory powers to gather a fighting force for the Nazis.

The unit, consisting mostly of men from the Formations de Combat, the paramilitary arm of the Rexist Party, was christened Corps Franc Wallonie (Free Corps Walloon). While Degrelle was in Paris campaigning for recognition of his party, the Germans ordered the formation of Wallonische Legion for service in the east.

Degrelle rushed back to find that his pretensions of military leadership were not to be. Command of the Legion, which had absorbed the Corps Franc Wallonie, was to go to Captain-Commandant Georges Jacobs, a retired Belgian colonial officer.

The allied invasion of Belgium in 1944 had resulted in an influx of new volunteers. Together with the Langemarck, the Wallonien Sturmbrigade was upgraded to become the 28.SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadier-Division Wallonien in October 1944.

The division was first sent to Southern Hanover then to Braunschweig to continue training. The new Walloon recruits were joined by Frenchmen from the L?gion des Volontaires Fran?ais contre le Bolch?visme (LVF).

The Wallonien was scheduled to take part in Operation Sonnenwende, the major offensive to relieve German troops encircled at Arnswalde. Wallonien was to operate in the area between the Madu See and the Plone See, covering the flank of the main attack. The offensive was launched on 15 February 1945, and met with initial success. However, after the III SS (Germanic) Panzer Corps reached Arnswalde, the situation changed and the Soviet defence began to solidify. Despite the XI Panzer Army causing heavy casualties, the offensive stalled. In heavy fighting, the Wallonien sustained as well as inflicted heavy losses, and eventually began a fighting withdrawal.

The Soviet counter-offensive, launched on 1 March, pushed the Wallonien before it, and over the next few weeks was in almost constant combat until it reached the Oder near Stettin. The Wallonien, fighting alongside the Langemarck managed to hold a thin strip of land on the eastern bank of the Oder until it was forced back across the river in early April. At this point the Walloons held a council of war and released those volunteers who no longer wished to continue the hopeless fight.

Many chose to remain, and they assembled in one last battalion, plentifully equipped with machine guns, panzerfausts, mortars, and automatic rifles. At the end of March, a second battalion was formed from men of the artillery and engineer units who had come forward from their technical schools, but this formation appears to have never been committed to battle. The Langemarck, who had also consolidated their remaining troops into two heavily armed battalions and an artillery section, was merged with the Wallonien under command of its tactical leader, SS-Sturmbannf?hrer Franz Hellebaut.

Joining the Belgians was one German battalion and a section of tank destroyers. Langemarck’s SS-Standartenf?hrer Schellong commanded the artillery and one of the Flemish battalions.

After the final Soviet offensive of 20 April, 1945, the Belgians held as best they could, but were soon swept aside by the advancing Soviets. After several unsuccessful counterattacks, the Belgian units realised all was lost and Degrelle ordered his troops to make for L?beck, where they eventually surrendered to British troops. He then drove with his bodyguard into Denmark. He then flew to Spain where he spent the rest of his life in exile. Degrelle died in 1994.

Nice guys …

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Maybe Wreckless, and danny-boy would like to go over there and be some human shields. [/quote]

We should be so lucky.

Hey, maybe they will. After all, they think the terrorists are just super duper peace loving fuckers.

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Who’s going to bloody Irans nose in phase 2? Israel is not going anywhere soon after this debacle. The US is still stuck in Iraq. Who then?[/quote]

Maybe Belgium?

[quote]hedo wrote:
It’s not over yet.

Israel got suprised. They will adapt and overcome the enemy.

I think they are giving this sham cease fire a chance. It may last a week or two. The Hezbollah thugs will continue to attack and the IDF will hit them even harder. Hezbollah can’t recruit and train nearly as fast. With supply routes cut they can’t rearm as quickly if at all.

The use of advance weaponary is disturbing. It means they are being trained by a government. Iran most likely. It takes a lot of training and balls to fire a man portable anti-tank weapon at a tank. They are easy to fire but to get a hit you have to have some training. Iran needs to have their nose bloodied to get them to change. Look for that in phase two.[/quote]

I think agreeing to, and then letting Hezbollah break the cease fire will renew international support for Israel.

Interesting points about the anti tank training.

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
[sarcasm]A valiant warrior indeed[/sarcasm]

I agree. It takes far greater courage to climb in an F-16 and bomb a village.

You’re right it does.

When the enemy chooses to hide faceless behind innocent civillians, inocent civillians will die. This is the direct result of the brave hezbollah warrior that you apparently think is just dreamy.

Striking a village that is hiding the enemy is an unfortunate call to duty in this war. Doing what must be done is not always easy.

These are the terms of war that hezbollah has set, not Israel.

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So you’re saying it takes more courage to bomb a village using an F-16 than engage the IDF in close combat and fire a anti-tank missile at an Israeli tank.

You’re a fool bigflamer and underestimating your enemy always set you up for disaster.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
mazilla wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:

Israel should carpet bomb Iran, Syrian, and Lebanon.

that’s a little big for their britches, in fact i don’t know anybody who wears those size pants.

The U.S. should have done it back in 1978-1979 when Iranian terrorists, including the current leader of Iran, took hostages.

But we had a fucking douchebag, limp-wristed waste of space for a president.

Make no mistake, though - if Israel, or the U.S. ever took the kid gloves off and dealt with these murderous fucking nazi bastards like they should - there will be nothing left of the region but glass.

Maybe Wreckless, and danny-boy would like to go over there and be some human shields. [/quote]

Good thing the next president, your bigger than life role model stepped in. Oops, no, he just handed weapons to those evil murderous fucking nazi bastards. Why did he do that rainjack?

Like I said before, the global powerplay is not a computergame. That’s why kids like you don’t get to play it.

[quote]coolexec wrote:
mazilla wrote:
hedo wrote:
Your leader, the Iranian President, suggested last night that the Jews be given a homeland in Europe. How about Belgium? The Europeans buy into most of the Iranian arguments, perhaps this one wil haved some merit with the European appeasment crowd.

sounds like a great idea. if they just move out of israel, there will be no more problem. thats why the Iranians rule the middle east, to think otherwise is just fooling yourself.

Oh yes, Belgium would be a great choice. Jews are really safe there.
Belgium has a glorious Nazi past. During WW2 there was even a Waffen SS Division made up of Belgian volunteers.

Before the outbreak of World War II, Fascism was quite popular in Belgium, particularly in the French speaking region of Wallonia. Leon Degrelle, owner of a newspaper had founded the Rexist party in 1930. The Rexists watched the rise of Adolf Hitler’s NSDAP in Germany through the 1930’s and campaigned strongly for similar changes in their own country, some even fighting for the establishment of an independent Wallon nation.

… and a bunch of other crap.

Nice guys …
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Fascism was considered a respectable political choice in the 1930’s. With fascist and ultra rightwing parties throughout Europe and in the US. I remember a US aviaton hero being rather sympathetic to mr. Hitler.

But that’s not the point. You don’t like my messege but don’t have the intellect to put together an answer. So you try to attack my person instead.

That makes you a fool.

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Maybe Wreckless, and danny-boy would like to go over there and be some human shields.

We should be so lucky.

Hey, maybe they will. After all, they think the terrorists are just super duper peace loving fuckers.

[/quote]

On the internet, everybody is a hero. But you more than most. Why don’t you go over there?

[quote]eic wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Who’s going to bloody Irans nose in phase 2? Israel is not going anywhere soon after this debacle. The US is still stuck in Iraq. Who then?

Maybe Belgium?
[/quote]

No thanks.

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Good thing the next president, your bigger than life role model stepped in. Oops, no, he just handed weapons to those evil murderous fucking nazi bastards. Why did he do that rainjack?

Like I said before, the global powerplay is not a computergame. That’s why kids like you don’t get to play it.
[/quote]

And neo-nazi fuckers like yourself hide out in Belgium. You are a disgusting piece of american hating shit.

I never said it was a video game. It’s just a bunch of sand and islamo-nazi’s over there. Nuking the area would serve a far greater good than nuking Japan.

[quote]hedo wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
hedo wrote:
It’s not over yet.

Israel got suprised. They will adapt and overcome the enemy.

I think they are giving this sham cease fire a chance. It may last a week or two. The Hezbollah thugs will continue to attack and the IDF will hit them even harder. Hezbollah can’t recruit and train nearly as fast. With supply routes cut they can’t rearm as quickly if at all.

The use of advance weaponary is disturbing. It means they are being trained by a government. Iran most likely. It takes a lot of training and balls to fire a man portable anti-tank weapon at a tank. They are easy to fire but to get a hit you have to have some training. Iran needs to have their nose bloodied to get them to change. Look for that in phase two.

Sure it’s over. For a couple of years at least.

Israel wasn’t surprised. They picked this fight. They wanted it like Bush wanted Iraq. Bush egged them on. They weren’t getting what they had hoped for, but that’s not about being surprised. That’s about fooling yourself into believing your own propaganda.

Hezbollah will lay low for a while, at least a couple of years. They have their victory. They won’t risk loosing it. They’ll regroup, recruit, rearm and train.
Supply lines are cut? They’re not. Iran will be most pleased by Hezbollahs performance and will send resupplies immidiately. Syria will let them through. Reluctantly.

Who’s going to bloody Irans nose in phase 2? Israel is not going anywhere soon after this debacle. The US is still stuck in Iraq. Who then?
Iran will be more confident than ever.

What Israel could do is open negotiations with Syria. Each has something the other wants. Give them back the Golan heights and then you’ll really have cut off their main supply lines.

Israel will cut their supply lines.

Hesbollah doesn’t have the patience to wait. A cease fire will not last a month.

The US is hardly stuck. A minor country like Belgium gets stuck, superpowers do not. The bloody nose will be given by the US or a US led coalition.

Your leader, the Iranian President, suggested last night that the Jews be given a homeland in Europe. How about Belgium? The Europeans buy into most of the Iranian arguments, perhaps this one wil haved some merit with the European appeasment crowd.
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hedo,

I didn’t agree with your analysis of the situation. I pointed out where I didn’t. I didn’t mention your leader neither did I comment on his intelligence or lack thereof.

In his urge to give everybody a bloody nose, your leaders seems to have succeeded in giving himself one, and now the Israeli. You might want to distance yourself a bit from him.

That being said, let’s just stick to the facts ok?

Israel went in to get the 2 kidnapped soldiers back. That was the official reason. And they saw a chance to destroy or disarm Hezbollah.
Neither goal was achieved. So Israel lost.
That must mean the other guy won. The other guy, that would be Hezbollah. You might not like them, but that doesn’t change the facts. They stood up to the IDF and held their ground.
That makes them popular in the area.

On the other side, their stock op missilis is probably largely depleted. They need to regroup and resupply. If the Israeli can prevent the resupply part, there might be a small victory in there after all. But how do you cut their supply lines. You can block the ports, but that might be hard to sell. You can’t bolster the Lebenase governemnt while in the same time blocking their ports.
The dislocated people will be moving south soon. The Lebenase army will take positions in the south. So will the UN-force. In short, there will be lots of movement directed south. Hezbollah will use this to trickle south also.

Of course, Syria is the key. Hezbollah’s supply routes run through Syria. Syria is not very fond of Hezbollah, but they’re usefull to keep pressure on Israel. Syria wants is Golan heights back. There are UN resolutions that they should get them back. So why not give them back in exchange for Hezbollah having it’s suply lines cut. Kills 2 birds with 1 stone. You take Syria out of the equation and weaken Hezbollah.

Hezbollah is in no shape to push further. Their stocks are low, their fighters are exhausted. Plus they have their victory. Why risk loosing there victory by pushing further?

The US is stuck. The bulk of the army is in Iraq, unable to disengage. That’s called “being stuck”. You might not like it, but that doesn’t change the fact. Minor countries don’t get stuck. They pull out. The can afford the embarresement, they’re small countries after all. Big countries get stuck. The US got stuck in Korea and Vietnam. The USSR got stuck in Afghanistan.

If Bush is foolish enough to insist on an invasion in Iran, the generals will draw straws. And the unlucky one that draws the shortest straw, will have to use his side-arm to arrest him.

My leader is not the Iranian president. I don’t know what he said last night and I don’t care.

Your turn now.