Israel Will Soon Disappear

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Chushin wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Isn’t the ever-so-loved President of Iran set up to be voted out in their next election? His people kind of, you know, have a strong dislike for him. How bout we wait until then before going ape shit yes

I’m in your camp, actually. But I do think they are going to get a nuke and use it on infidels.

The leader pressing the big red button would know that Israel could quite easily turn their entire nation to glass in retaliation. He’d have to be insane. I have faith the young, up and coming voters of Iran won’t elect an insane man.

Because they never have before?
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Note: I said youth.

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[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Chushin wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Isn’t the ever-so-loved President of Iran set up to be voted out in their next election? His people kind of, you know, have a strong dislike for him. How bout we wait until then before going ape shit yes

I’m in your camp, actually. But I do think they are going to get a nuke and use it on infidels.

The leader pressing the big red button would know that Israel could quite easily turn their entire nation to glass in retaliation. He’d have to be insane. I have faith the young, up and coming voters of Iran won’t elect an insane man.

Because they never have before?

Note: I said youth.
[/quote]

I was under the impression that teh Mullahs were controlling the “elections.” I can’t find much reason to believe otherwise. Of course the young Iranians don’t want the government they have, but they have their parents to blame for that.

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FAO lixy

[b]Extreme ideas have direct correlation to peoples living conditions and personal wealth so its ironic that some of the most fanatical areas in the world contain some of the richest people…

Would you mind elaborating?
[/b]

I wasnt specifcially referencing Israel or the Middle East but the region as a source of oil is an incredibly rich region - so rich that the good ol US deemed it prudent to lie to the world and start a war(twice) to try and get a foothold in that part of the world.

What we see in the Middle East is a large amount of wealth in the hands of a small amount of people - the majority of the populations live in relatively poor conditions. Throw in the repeated conflicts and its not hard to see why people are angry, and in turn this anger is focused outwards to the wider world (people like to blame somebody for their troubles)

There are plenty of examples even in Europe where we have relatively high living standards that in current climates people start to look for anybody that can give them answers - Its ironic that you can directly tie the US into most of the worlds troubles of the last 100 years…

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Chushin wrote:
And we all know that nukes are the only way to ruin a country, right?

Good point. So does this mean you still don’t want Iran to have nukes since it could just use its military to destroy Israel?

Do you honestly believes that if Iran had nukes they’d actually use them?[/quote]

Do you think someone would strap a bomb to themselves so they could kill a bunch of innocent people going about their daily lives?

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Chushin wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Isn’t the ever-so-loved President of Iran set up to be voted out in their next election? His people kind of, you know, have a strong dislike for him. How bout we wait until then before going ape shit yes

I’m in your camp, actually. But I do think they are going to get a nuke and use it on infidels.

The leader pressing the big red button would know that Israel could quite easily turn their entire nation to glass in retaliation. He’d have to be insane. I have faith the young, up and coming voters of Iran won’t elect an insane man.

Because they never have before?

Note: I said youth.

I was under the impression that teh Mullahs were controlling the “elections.” I can’t find much reason to believe otherwise. Of course the young Iranians don’t want the government they have, but they have their parents to blame for that.

[/quote]

They disallowed over 99% of presidential candidates and would not let them run. The elections are a sham and only give a choice between a handful of hand picked figureheads.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
pat wrote:
The U.S. never “set up” Israel.

No, they just officially recognized it as a state and then dared any other country to counter that opinion.

What about my point of the other displaced ethnic groups?[/quote]

They just jump the fence and cut the grass around my office building.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Chushin wrote:
And we all know that nukes are the only way to ruin a country, right?

Good point. So does this mean you still don’t want Iran to have nukes since it could just use its military to destroy Israel?

Do you honestly believes that if Iran had nukes they’d actually use them?[/quote]

Yes. I think they are crazy enough to use them against Israel even if it meant their own destruction.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
Do you honestly believe that allowing a theocracy that prizes martyrdom, has clear ties to terrorist groups, only recently experienced a true revolution, is not cooperating with the IAEA, and has a president calling for the elimination of another nation in inflammatory terms to have them is a good idea?[/quote]

Yes. Because then we would leave them alone.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Do you think someone would strap a bomb to themselves so they could kill a bunch of innocent people going about their daily lives?[/quote]

From Iran? No. From Afghanistan, yes.

Further, I do not believe that the Iranian government funds terrorism.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Do you think someone would strap a bomb to themselves so they could kill a bunch of innocent people going about their daily lives?

From Iran? No. From Afghanistan, yes.

Further, I do not believe that the Iranian government funds terrorism.[/quote]

Pull your head out of the sand.

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It’s pretty wild that people think that negotiating WITHOUT PRECONDITIONS with a man that spews this rhetoric on a daily basis is a good idea and somehow will convince him to change his mind. Does this sound like a guy who listens to reason? The Columbia University visit was a joke as well and that really helped things didn’t it?

Most Amercians favor discussions with enemies when conditions are set up and if an enemy shows they are worthy of discussion. Why should we give “Imindamoodforjihad” more credibility and a mouthpiece when he won’t stop funding Hamas, Hizbollah and other anti-American, anti-semitic establishments?

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Don’t eat up the propaganda…

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Whose interests the American elected officials are exactly serving? The Israelis?

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[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
Don’t eat up the propaganda…

[/quote]

Poor example and extremely small sect of the community as I pointed out in another thread. They believe in the existence of Israel but only within a certain sequence. However, Domb is even more radical.

“The political solution Domb advocates is, ironically, more radical than the PLO’s, which recognised Israel’s right to exist in 1988. He has no hope that this will happen, but he thinks the Israelis should renounce their claims to land within the 1948 borders and make reparations to the Palestinians. With the state of Israel dismantled, Jews could remain in the Holy Land, but live under PALESTINIAN RULE. But ultimately, he stresses, Neturei Karta’s objection to Israel rests on theological rather than political grounds.” (The observer, 2002)

See that, UNDER PALESTINIAN RULE. That is the goal of the Palestinians today, to try to flood Israel and take it over from the inside.

Obviously whatever meeting was held did not change Ahmadinejihad’s anti-semitic views because he still makes these threats. And again, all the land Israel has given to the “Palestinians” throughout the years has had no positive effects, only dimishing Israel more and more. Check the map of Israel and you will see how small it is compared to other Arab countries.

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[quote]Footsolider88 wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
Don’t eat up the propaganda…

Poor example and extremely small sect of the community as I pointed out in another thread. They believe in the existence of Israel but only within a certain sequence. However, Domb is even more radical.

“The political solution Domb advocates is, ironically, more radical than the PLO’s, which recognised Israel’s right to exist in 1988. He has no hope that this will happen, but he thinks the Israelis should renounce their claims to land within the 1948 borders and make reparations to the Palestinians. With the state of Israel dismantled, Jews could remain in the Holy Land, but live under PALESTINIAN RULE. But ultimately, he stresses, Neturei Karta’s objection to Israel rests on theological rather than political grounds.” (The observer, 2002)

See that, UNDER PALESTINIAN RULE. That is the goal of the Palestinians today, to try to flood Israel and take it over from the inside.

Obviously whatever meeting was held did not change Ahmadinejihad’s anti-semitic views because he still makes these threats. And again, all the land Israel has given to the “Palestinians” throughout the years has had no positive effects, only dimishing Israel more and more. Check the map of Israel and you will see how small it is compared to other Arab countries.
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lixy to remind us that the Arabs are Semites (though they’re in fact Ishmaelites) in 5,4,3,2…

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Eh, Israel can take care of itself. Funny that 70 years ago Israel didn’t exist and now it does and some people aren’t happy about it.

But let’s also look why we don’t support the displaced peoples of all nations the way we do Jews. There is some definite bias toward Zionism is this country.

No one gives a rip about Kurds, Hmong, Somalis, Serbs, etc. Where is the US in setting up these people with their own state and providing them with nuclear arms and funding?[/quote]

You have to realise that a very large amount of Israel’s funding is private.

  1. There are many middle and upper class Jews in the States and Europe today. The majority of those who moved to Israel are from poor backgrounds/countries; hence the high amount of Israelies with USSR/Arabic roots.
  2. These Jews, while usually not having any intention to move to Israel, are largely supportive of it. Hence, Israel is kept afloat by the private funding of such individuals/families to a very large extent.

Now, as for this entire debate…

[quote]Sifu wrote:
Making the entire planet uninhabitable because of a sliver of desert the size of delaware seems to me, to be extremely petty.[/quote]

I often think along these lines. Before Israel was formed, Palestine was recorded as a desolate, depleted piece of land. Today, Israel is a modern country. Now, as far as I’m concerned, Jews and Muslims are very culturally similar, certainly more so than Christians and Jews/Muslims. It seems so incredibly petty and wasteful to invest so much resources (and hatred) into fighting over a land that nobody seemed to care about 60 years ago. Why don’t other Muslim nations just help Palestine get up on its feet peacefully?

Lixy, your rhetoric comes across as shallow and highly personal. You seem like a clever guy; moreover, you come from a very highly developed, peaceful country (Sweden). It pains me to see that someone who could obviously be approaching this issue from a more insightful and positive angle is just a sheep in a generally uneducated, desperate flock. I’m not sure what your personal background is, but I would advise you to put it aside in a serious discussion; your opinions will become more insightful and credible.

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[quote]G87 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Eh, Israel can take care of itself. Funny that 70 years ago Israel didn’t exist and now it does and some people aren’t happy about it.

But let’s also look why we don’t support the displaced peoples of all nations the way we do Jews. There is some definite bias toward Zionism is this country.

No one gives a rip about Kurds, Hmong, Somalis, Serbs, etc. Where is the US in setting up these people with their own state and providing them with nuclear arms and funding?

You have to realise that a very large amount of Israel’s funding is private.

  1. There are many middle and upper class Jews in the States and Europe today. The majority of those who moved to Israel are from poor backgrounds/countries; hence the high amount of Israelies with USSR/Arabic roots.
  2. These Jews, while usually not having any intention to move to Israel, are largely supportive of it. Hence, Israel is kept afloat by the private funding of such individuals/families to a very large extent.

Now, as for this entire debate…

Sifu wrote:
Making the entire planet uninhabitable because of a sliver of desert the size of delaware seems to me, to be extremely petty.

I often think along these lines. Before Israel was formed, Palestine was recorded as a desolate, depleted piece of land. Today, Israel is a modern country. Now, as far as I’m concerned, Jews and Muslims are very culturally similar, certainly more so than Christians and Jews/Muslims. It seems so incredibly petty and wasteful to invest so much resources (and hatred) into fighting over a land that nobody seemed to care about 60 years ago. Why don’t other Muslim nations just help Palestine get up on its feet peacefully?

Lixy, your rhetoric comes across as shallow and highly personal. You seem like a clever guy; moreover, you come from a very highly developed, peaceful country (Sweden). It pains me to see that someone who could obviously be approaching this issue from a more insightful and positive angle is just a sheep in a generally uneducated, desperate flock. I’m not sure what your personal background is, but I would advise you to put it aside in a serious discussion; your opinions will become more insightful and credible. [/quote]

Lixy is from Morocco going to school in the hated West.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
G87 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Eh, Israel can take care of itself. Funny that 70 years ago Israel didn’t exist and now it does and some people aren’t happy about it.

But let’s also look why we don’t support the displaced peoples of all nations the way we do Jews. There is some definite bias toward Zionism is this country.

No one gives a rip about Kurds, Hmong, Somalis, Serbs, etc. Where is the US in setting up these people with their own state and providing them with nuclear arms and funding?

You have to realise that a very large amount of Israel’s funding is private.

  1. There are many middle and upper class Jews in the States and Europe today. The majority of those who moved to Israel are from poor backgrounds/countries; hence the high amount of Israelies with USSR/Arabic roots.
  2. These Jews, while usually not having any intention to move to Israel, are largely supportive of it. Hence, Israel is kept afloat by the private funding of such individuals/families to a very large extent.

Now, as for this entire debate…

Sifu wrote:
Making the entire planet uninhabitable because of a sliver of desert the size of delaware seems to me, to be extremely petty.

I often think along these lines. Before Israel was formed, Palestine was recorded as a desolate, depleted piece of land. Today, Israel is a modern country. Now, as far as I’m concerned, Jews and Muslims are very culturally similar, certainly more so than Christians and Jews/Muslims. It seems so incredibly petty and wasteful to invest so much resources (and hatred) into fighting over a land that nobody seemed to care about 60 years ago. Why don’t other Muslim nations just help Palestine get up on its feet peacefully?

Lixy, your rhetoric comes across as shallow and highly personal. You seem like a clever guy; moreover, you come from a very highly developed, peaceful country (Sweden). It pains me to see that someone who could obviously be approaching this issue from a more insightful and positive angle is just a sheep in a generally uneducated, desperate flock. I’m not sure what your personal background is, but I would advise you to put it aside in a serious discussion; your opinions will become more insightful and credible.

Lixy is from Morocco going to school in the hated West.[/quote]

A portrait of hypocrisy.

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[quote]G87 wrote:
You have to realise that a very large amount of Israel’s funding is private. [/quote]

And how is that relevant? The point Liftus was making is about the billions of dollars the US government hands out to Israel. All the while, other traditionally repressed groups are not cared much for.

Indeed, it is “incredibly petty and wasteful”. Oftentimes, it is downright horrific. But what are you going to do about it? A totally artificial country with people brought there by the boatload is set up on colonized land. What do you expect? That the locals will just swallow the pill?

You could lay the blame on a lot of people for the current situation. But when it comes down to it, the root cause of the horrors and misery there is clear.

Do tell.

What part of my rhetoric here do you deem “shallow and highly personal”? I’d appreciate it if you could quote parts my posts in this thread that gave you this impression.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
G87 wrote:
You have to realise that a very large amount of Israel’s funding is private.

And how is that relevant? The point Liftus was making is about the billions of dollars the US government hands out to Israel. All the while, other traditionally repressed groups are not cared much for.

I often think along these lines. Before Israel was formed, Palestine was recorded as a desolate, depleted piece of land. Today, Israel is a modern country. Now, as far as I’m concerned, Jews and Muslims are very culturally similar, certainly more so than Christians and Jews/Muslims. It seems so incredibly petty and wasteful to invest so much resources (and hatred) into fighting over a land that nobody seemed to care about 60 years ago. Why don’t other Muslim nations just help Palestine get up on its feet peacefully?

Indeed, it is “incredibly petty and wasteful”. Oftentimes, it is downright horrific. But what are you going to do about it? A totally artificial country with people brought there by the boatload is set up on colonized land. What do you expect? That the locals will just swallow the pill?

You could lay the blame on a lot of people for the current situation. But when it comes down to it, the root cause of the horrors and misery there is clear.

Lixy, your rhetoric comes across as shallow and highly personal. You seem like a clever guy; moreover, you come from a very highly developed, peaceful country (Sweden). It pains me to see that someone who could obviously be approaching this issue from a more insightful and positive angle is just a sheep in a generally uneducated, desperate flock. I’m not sure what your personal background is, but I would advise you to put it aside in a serious discussion; your opinions will become more insightful and credible.

Do tell.

What part of my rhetoric here do you deem “shallow and highly personal”? I’d appreciate it if you could quote parts my posts in this thread that gave you this impression.[/quote]

Israel is artificial? Oh your just reaching now… That was just sad.