[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
pat wrote:
The U.S. never “set up” Israel.
No, they just officially recognized it as a state and then dared any other country to counter that opinion.
What about my point of the other displaced ethnic groups?
It’s hard to call them displaced when the entire country is only 3 hours drive in length. Jordan is 85% Palestinian, Gaza is Palestinian, and there are Arab countries surrounding it. Besides that, as lixy was so kind to point out, there are a lot of Arab Israelis.
So I guess the question is, what displacement?[/quote]
They were asked to leave their houses when they sold them to the Jewish immigrants. I guess you could consider that being displaced.
Isn’t the ever-so-loved President of Iran set up to be voted out in their next election? His people kind of, you know, have a strong dislike for him. How bout we wait until then before going ape shit yes
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Isn’t the ever-so-loved President of Iran set up to be voted out in their next election? His people kind of, you know, have a strong dislike for him. How bout we wait until then before going ape shit yes
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I’m in your camp, actually. But I do think they are going to get a nuke and use it on infidels.
[quote]lixy wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
No one gives a rip about Kurds, Hmong, Somalis, Serbs, etc.
Funny that nobody peeped a word at the U.S. department of state pushing the PKK on the terrorist list. The oppression of those folks at the hands of the Turks has been institutionalized for decades.
And guess who’s handing out (no, not selling) weapons to Turkey?[/quote]
website links to prove the country your thinking is giving weapons, sorry but your word just isnt strong enough
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Isn’t the ever-so-loved President of Iran set up to be voted out in their next election? His people kind of, you know, have a strong dislike for him. How bout we wait until then before going ape shit yes
I’m in your camp, actually. But I do think they are going to get a nuke and use it on infidels.
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The leader pressing the big red button would know that Israel could quite easily turn their entire nation to glass in retaliation. He’d have to be insane. I have faith the young, up and coming voters of Iran won’t elect an insane man.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Isn’t the ever-so-loved President of Iran set up to be voted out in their next election? His people kind of, you know, have a strong dislike for him. How bout we wait until then before going ape shit yes
I’m in your camp, actually. But I do think they are going to get a nuke and use it on infidels.
The leader pressing the big red button would know that Israel could quite easily turn their entire nation to glass in retaliation. He’d have to be insane. I have faith the young, up and coming voters of Iran won’t elect an insane man.[/quote]
Or he’d have to have a religious reason to believe that such destruction will usher in the reign of the Mahdi (the 12th Imam) leading to a utopian earth and that death in such a conflict would be rewarded.
We see suicide bombers all the time who believe that their death “fighting in the way of Allah” will assure them Paradise.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
pat wrote:
The U.S. never “set up” Israel.
No, they just officially recognized it as a state and then dared any other country to counter that opinion.
What about my point of the other displaced ethnic groups?
Uh man, go to SE wisconsin. The hmoung population is HUGE here for a reason.[/quote]
Taking on refugees is not the same thing as formally recognizing a state and offering protection to it. In fact, I would call it a complete lack of recognition which is why they are here and not “there”.
[quote]bluefloyd wrote:
lixy wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
No one gives a rip about Kurds, Hmong, Somalis, Serbs, etc.
Funny that nobody peeped a word at the U.S. department of state pushing the PKK on the terrorist list. The oppression of those folks at the hands of the Turks has been institutionalized for decades.
And guess who’s handing out (no, not selling) weapons to Turkey?
website links to prove the country your thinking is giving weapons, sorry but your word just isnt strong enough [/quote]
As with most other countries it aids, the amount of money and weapons channeled always correlate with an increase in atrocities and repression. It took place all over the world, and there are declassified U.S. State Departments documents to prove it.
I suggest you look into the the aid to Chile between 1970 (when Pinochet came to power) and 1972 where it jumped from $800,000 to $10.2 millions.
The same happened in Iraq in the 80s as Saddam was stepping up his relentless push on the newly-founded Iranian republic. And the same happened in the 90s when the Turkish crackdown on Kurds have gotten more serious.
It still is systematic, and we are talking BILLIONS of dollars in HANDOUTS paid for by the American taxpayer and that are directly used to repress the Kurdish people. This is a place where Kurdish editors were jailed and beaten up for daring to use their language and defend their culture.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
pat wrote:
The U.S. never “set up” Israel.
No, they just officially recognized it as a state and then dared any other country to counter that opinion.
What about my point of the other displaced ethnic groups?
Uh man, go to SE wisconsin. The hmoung population is HUGE here for a reason.
Taking on refugees is not the same thing as formally recognizing a state and offering protection to it. In fact, I would call it a complete lack of recognition which is why they are here and not “there”.[/quote]
Maybe the Hmong people should begin fighting for a State. Then, when they establish one, we can recognize it.
The same happened in Iraq in the 80s as Saddam was stepping up his relentless push on the newly-founded Iranian republic. And the same happened in the 90s when the Turkish crackdown on Kurds have gotten more serious.
It still is systematic, and we are talking BILLIONS of dollars in HANDOUTS paid for by the American taxpayer and that are directly used to repress the Kurdish people. This is a place where Kurdish editors were jailed and beaten up for daring to use their language and defend their culture.[/quote]
Does Iran give or sell weapons to the Taliban, Al-Qaeda and Hezbollah?
Edit- Does China give or sell weapons to Sudan so they can commit genocide?
There are far worse Islamic regimes than the 4 US allies you continually bash.
In 1967 egyptian president Nasser gave a speech where he stated that “if war comes it comes”. The next day the Israeli airforce tore the Egyptians a new one.
Ahmadinejads rhetoric has been more inflammatory than Nassers. It seems as if he is trying to talk his country into a war with the Israelis.
The Israelis will not let Masada fall again. They will turn the entire middle east into glass before that happens. The rest of the world will have to suffer the effects of the radioactive fallout.
Making the entire planet uninhabitable because of a sliver of desert the size of delaware seems to me, to be extremely petty.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Chushin wrote:
And we all know that nukes are the only way to ruin a country, right?
Good point. So does this mean you still don’t want Iran to have nukes since it could just use its military to destroy Israel?
Do you honestly believes that if Iran had nukes they’d actually use them?
Do you honestly believe that allowing a theocracy that prizes martyrdom, has clear ties to terrorist groups, only recently experienced a true revolution, is not cooperating with the IAEA, and has a president calling for the elimination of another nation in inflammatory terms to have them is a good idea?[/quote]
Well, they kind of deny trying to acquire nukes. And, after the WMD debacle, people are wary of unsubstantiated accusations that could lead to yet another country bombed, invaded and turned into chaos.
Also, I must point out that the “revolution” was a direct consequence to the MI6/CIA assisted overthrow of a democratically elected government and the installing of a bloody tyrant.