Israel Invades Lebanon

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]dannyrat wrote:
hundfuhrer99 wrote:
hedo wrote:
I already knew that Israel’s pull-out from Gaza and the West Bank would only provoke the kooky Jihadists into doing something stupid. Nobody ever listens to me.

Not with statements like this. It was admittedly a prtial withdrawal, and is akin to me hijacking your house because my great grandmother lived there then wrote a book about it, then expecting u to stop bitching if i let you have half the spare bedroom and didning room back. Not really viable. [/quote]

I like that analogy.

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from my degree paper :wink:

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[quote]dannyrat wrote:
vroom wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I thought this topic was about Lebanon. He is trying to discredit Lebanon’s legitimate government in his support for Hezbollah to do whatever the fuck they want to.

No, I think the point he made about the rise of government or autonomy is not support for Hezbollah, it is simply a reflection on world history, which might be an encouraging principle for the actions of people like Hezbollah.

US freedom came from revolution but our govenment came from a long process of writing a constution and electing a government. That is why we remain free today.

Sure, but they are related. You grab and defend the land and then put in place your desired form of government. It is through strength that the process is initiated and maintained-- historically.

That is why Lebanon needs their legitimate government to stand and Hezbollah to fall if they are to have any hope of freedom and prosperity on the future.

I agree. Lebanon not only needs the legitimate government to stand, but it must be powerful enough to exert control over it’s own domain. This is actually one of the tests of whether a government governs. Right now, Lebanon has failed to do this, to govern it’s own land.

Hopefully, if Hezbollah is weakened enough, the Lebanese government can take control of it’s entire claimed geography and enforce it’s policies and allow a peace to develop.

It is still about power. If Hezbollah is more powerful than the Lebanese government, and works counter to it, then the government is effectively unable to govern. Israel is in the process of trying to do something about this situation.

External parties may also be trying to influence the balance of power…

i agree that hizbollah is more powerful than the legitimate government, no doubt, but don’t agree that invasion (let’s not call it anything else) by America, Israel or any other agent of the west is primarily a selfish action to preserve our own existence, not enrich their political situation. What are Israel doing? ‘Bombing the Lebanese for their own good’?

And i read that Iran has like the 4th largest standing military in the world?[/quote]

Iraq had the 4th largest Military back in 91. They lasted almost 100 hrs.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
Iraq had the 4th largest Military back in 91. They lasted almost 100 hrs.
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Iran will not last even this long if we do it the right way.

Guys, we don’t spend all this money on military research and development just so we can dress up and march around in a uniform. When the time is right, Iran should be punished for their role in this BS fighting, and their obvious support of terrorism.

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Danny,

I think perhaps in your long study of the situation you have become very empathetic of the suffering and anguish of a certain group.

However, all it would ever take to achieve peace, is for people to just freaking accept the fact that Israel is never going to “be wiped off the map” and simply find a way to live together.

When that is the decision, then the horrors of war can stop.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Danny,

I think perhaps in your long study of the situation you have become very empathetic of the suffering and anguish of a certain group.

Absolutely true mate. I look at history as lessons, and stories. There are villains in this story. On both sides. Like i said, i guess my insistence in these topics was a counterbalance, due to the ignorance i saw expressed by a limited number of people, which is representative of the uninformed masses opinions (from media, far more biased than myself).

However, all it would ever take to achieve peace, is for people to just freaking accept the fact that Israel is never going to “be wiped off the map” and simply find a way to live together.

Yep. What an ideal. I’d honestly love this world of subtefuge and politics and war to be just like that, pure.

You ever seen Team America: World Police? I saw it on Thursday night, there’s a great quote from it about dicks, pussies and arseholes. Israel and Palestine are both acting like dicks, and I’m no pussy

When that is the decision, then the horrors of war can stop.[/quote]

True, true. I hold the same principles as you do. We ALL know how shady the islamicists are in pursuing their goals, and how inelegantly they express their aims. Before you watch the next news bulletin, remember how sinister the actions of BOTH sides are. And look up Resolution 336, and who rejected it, seriously. Peace