Israel: Give Me A Motive!

[quote]lixy wrote:
The Allied powers following WW2 have the largest share of responsibility for the mess in that region, including the fighting between Palestine and Israel.

The decision to create the state of Israel, triggering a situation in which both the Arabs and the Israelis fight to reclaim or protect “their” lands is the root of the whole thing.

From the Arab perspective, a piece of their land was taken and made into a state to appease the guilt of Europeans (not Arabs) for slaughtering Jewish people. Nobody would do the same with a chunk of Great Britain or of the USA.

The USA doesn’t even give real independence to their local natives - just ties them up into its own federal structure.

From the Israeli perspective they’re thus surrounded by enemies and are determined not to give up what they have. Now, I don’t think anyone here is saying that Israel doesn’t have the right to protect itself. Just that Palestinian kids have the right to live.

Tel-Aviv is currently using a form of collective punishment (not to mention disproportionate) that puts it up there with the most vile regimes in modern history. This should be unequivocally condemned.

Despite whatever propaganda you might be fed, neither Palestinians nor Israelis have shown a real desire to live harmoniously. What we are witnessing is a crystallization of this decades later.

And let it there be no doubt that the Palestinians are the victims here. They are the ones in refugee camps. They are the stateless ones. They are the ones locked up in bantustans. They are dying in massive numbers under Israeli bombs. Israelis, by comparison, aren’t suffering one bit. So let’s keep some perspective.

Also, let’s stop pretending this is about “the Jooz”. Some of the most vocal critics of Israeli actions are Jews, and most of the staunchest defender of the Zionist state have nothing Jewish about them.

Peace.[/quote]

You’re an idiot as always. It’s only about jews and you fucking know it. To say any different is The arabs fought wars agaist Israel and lost every time so they just need to get over it. What if Germany never surrendered, or Japan, or Italy…

At some point you have to accept that you lost. But they won’t stop until every Jew is dead, so they basically signed their own death certificates. Don’t fuck with the chosen people. Apparently, Allah isn’t on their side as much as they had hoped? Maybe He doesn’t want his chosen people to be exterminated like the muslims think? Many have tried, all have failed.

I don’t think Allah likes it much when you claim death, murder and hate in His name. Perhaps the idiot palestinians should rethink their policy, because I don’t see God coming down in his golden chariot to eliminate the Jews once and for all.

[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
To HAMAS:

Stop the daily missile attacks into Southern Israel and the carnage stops…

Mufasa

Again, you’re ignoring the blockade and the fact that Gaza is, as the saying goes, the world’s largest open air prison. None of this excuses Palestinian terrorism; there are very few people in the West who are actually Hamas apologists. But you make the issue seem completely one-sided. It isn’t.[/quote]

And it would never have become that if they did not constantly attack Israel.
In the end what’s happening now is a better solution. Kill all the terrorists and release the “prisoners” to live in peace with their Jewish neighbor.

We will kill all the Jews! We must destroy them! Keep fighting great warriors while we run and hide behind some kids!~Mahmoud al-Zahar

Molten Lead

By Uri Avnery

03/01/09

[i]
JUST AFTER MIDNIGHT, Aljazeera?s Arabic channel was reporting on events in Gaza. Suddenly the camera was pointing upwards towards the dark sky. The screen was pitch black. Nothing could be seen, but there was a sound to be heard: the noise of airplanes, a frightening, a terrifying droning.

It was impossible not to think about the tens of thousands of Gazan children who were hearing that sound at that moment, cringing with fright, paralyzed by fear, waiting for the bombs to fall.

?ISRAEL MUST defend itself against the rockets that are terrorizing our Southern towns,? the Israeli spokesmen explained. ?Palestinians must respond to the killing of their fighters inside the Gaza Strip,? the Hamas spokesmen declared.

As a matter of fact, the cease-fire did not collapse, because there was no real cease-fire to start with. The main requirement for any cease-fire in the Gaza Strip must be the opening of the border crossings. There can be no life in Gaza without a steady flow of supplies. But the crossings were not opened, except for a few hours now and again. The blockade on land, on sea and in the air against a million and a half human beings is an act of war, as much as any dropping of bombs or launching of rockets. It paralyzes life in the Gaza Strip: eliminating most sources of employment, pushing hundreds of thousands to the brink of starvation, stopping most hospitals from functioning, disrupting the supply of electricity and water.

Those who decided to close the crossings ? under whatever pretext ? knew that there is no real cease-fire under these conditions.

That is the main thing. Then there came the small provocations which were designed to get Hamas to react. After several months, in which hardly any Qassam rockets were launched, an army unit was sent into the Strip ?in order to destroy a tunnel that came close to the border fence?. From a purely military point of view, it would have made more sense to lay an ambush on our side of the fence. But the aim was to find a pretext for the termination of the cease-fire, in a way that made it plausible to put the blame on the Palestinians. And indeed, after several such small actions, in which Hamas fighters were killed, Hamas retaliated with a massive launch of rockets, and ? lo and behold ? the cease-fire was at an end. Everybody blamed Hamas.

WHAT WAS THE AIM? Tzipi Livni announced it openly: to liquidate Hamas rule in Gaza. The Qassams served only as a pretext.

Liquidate Hamas rule? That sounds like a chapter out of ?The March of Folly?. After all, it is no secret that it was the Israeli government which set up Hamas to start with. When I once asked a former Shin-Bet chief, Yaakov Peri, about it, he answered enigmatically: ?We did not create it, but we did not hinder its creation.?

For years, the occupation authorities favored the Islamic movement in the occupied territories. All other political activities were rigorously suppressed, but their activities in the mosques were permitted. The calculation was simple and naive: at the time, the PLO was considered the main enemy, Yasser Arafat was the current Satan. The Islamic movement was preaching against the PLO and Arafat, and was therefore viewed as an ally.

With the outbreak of the first intifada in 1987, the Islamic movement officially renamed itself Hamas (Arabic initials of ?Islamic Resistance Movement?) and joined the fight. Even then, the Shin-Bet took no action against them for almost a year, while Fatah members were executed or imprisoned in large numbers. Only after a year, were Sheikh Ahmed Yassin and his colleagues also arrested.

Since then the wheel has turned. Hamas has now become the current Satan, and the PLO is considered by many in Israel almost as a branch of the Zionist organization. The logical conclusion for an Israeli government seeking peace would have been to make wide-ranging concessions to the Fatah leadership: ending of the occupation, signing of a peace treaty, foundation of the State of Palestine, withdrawal to the 1967 borders, a reasonable solution of the refugee problem, release of all Palestinian prisoners. That would have arrested the rise of Hamas for sure.

But logic has little influence on politics. Nothing of this sort happened. On the contrary, after the murder of Arafat, Ariel Sharon declared that Mahmoud Abbas, who took his place, was a ?plucked chicken?. Abbas was not allowed the slightest political achievement. The negotiations, under American auspices, became a joke. The most authentic Fatah leader, Marwan Barghouti, was sent to prison for life. Instead of a massive prisoner release, there were petty and insulting ?gestures?.

Abbas was systematically humiliated, Fatah looked like an empty shell and Hamas won a resounding victory in the Palestinian election ? the most democratic election ever held in the Arab world. Israel boycotted the elected government. In the ensuing internal struggle, Hamas assumed direct control over the Gaza Strip.

And now, after all this, the government of Israel decided to ?liquidate Hamas rule in Gaza? ? with blood, fire and columns of smoke.

THE OFFICIAL NAME of the war is ?Cast Lead?, two words from a children?s song about a Hanukkah toy.

It would be more accurate to call it ?the the Election War?.

In the past, too, military action has been taken during election campaigns. Menachem Begin bombed the Iraqi nuclear reactor during the 1981 campaign. When Shimon Peres claimed that this was an election gimmick, Begin cried out at his next rally: ?Jews, do you believe that I would send our brave boys to their death or, worse, to be taken prisoner by human animals, in order to win an election?? Begin won.

Peres is no Begin. When, during the 1996 election campaign, he ordered the invasion of Lebanon (operation ?Grapes of Wrath?), everybody was convinced that he had done it for electoral gain. The war was a failure and Peres lost the elections and Binyamin Netanyahu came to power.

Barak and Tzipi Livni are now resorting to the same old trick. According to the polls, Barak?s predicted election result rose within 48 hours by five Knesset seats. About 80 dead Palestinians for each seat. But it is difficult to walk on a pile of dead bodies. The success may evaporate in a minute if the war comes to be considered by the Israeli public as a failure. For example, if the rockets continue to hit Beersheba, or if the ground attack leads to heavy Israeli casualties.

The timing was chosen meticulously from another angle too. The attack started two days after Christmas, when American and European leaders are on holiday until after New Year. The calculation: even if somebody wanted to try and stop the war, no one would give up his holiday. That ensured several days free from outside pressures.

Another reason for the timing: these are George Bush?s last days in the White House. This blood-soaked moron could be expected to support the war enthusiastically, as indeed he did. Barack Obama has not yet entered office and had a ready made pretext for keeping silent: ?there is only one President?. The silence does not bode well for the term of president Obama.

THE MAIN LINE was: not to repeat the mistakes of Lebanon War II. This was endlessly repeated on all the news programs and talk shows.

This does not change the fact: the Gaza War is an almost exact replica of the second Lebanon war.

The strategic concept is the same: to terrorize the civilian population by unremitting attacks from the air, sowing death and destruction. This poses no danger to the pilots, since the Palestinians have no anti-aircraft weapons at all. The calculation: if the entire life-supporting infrastructure in the Strip is utterly destroyed and total anarchy ensues, the population will rise up and overthrow the Hamas regime. Mahmoud Abbas will then ride back into Gaza on the back of Israeli tanks.

In Lebanon, this calculation did not work out. The bombed population, including the Christians, rallied behind Hizbullah, and Hassan Nasrallah became the hero of the Arab world. Something similar will probably happen this time, too. Generals are experts on using weapons and moving troops, not on mass psychology.

Some time ago I wrote that the Gaza blockade was a scientific experiment designed to find out how much one can starve a population and turn its life into hell before they break. This experiment was conducted with the generous help of Europe and the US. Up to now, it did not succeed. Hamas became stronger and the range of the Qassams became longer. The present war is a continuation of the experiment by other means.

It may be that the army will ?have no alternative? but to re-conquer the Gaza Strip because there is no other way to stop the Qassams ? except coming to an agreement with Hamas, which is contrary to government policy. When the ground invasion starts, everything will depend on the motivation and capabilities of the Hamas fighters vis-à-vis the Israeli soldiers. Nobody can know what will happen.

DAY AFTER DAY, night after night, Aljazeera?s Arabic channel broadcasts the atrocious pictures: heaps of mutilated bodies, tearful relatives looking for their dear ones among the dozens of corpses spread out on the ground, a woman pulling her young daughter from under the rubble, doctors without medicines trying to save the lives of the wounded. (The English-language Aljazeera, unlike its Arab-language sister-station, has undergone an amazing about face, broadcasting only a sanitized picture and freely distributing Israeli government propaganda. It would be interesting to know what happened there.)

Millions are seeing these terrible images, picture after picture, day after day. These images are imprinted on their minds forever: horrible Israel, abominable Israel, inhuman Israel. A whole generation of haters. That is a terrible price, which we will be compelled to pay long after the other results of the war itself have been forgotten in Israel.

But there is another thing that is being imprinted on the minds of these millions: the picture of the miserable, corrupt, passive Arab regimes.

As seen by Arabs, one fact stands out above all others: the wall of shame.

For the million and a half Arabs in Gaza, who are suffering so terribly, the only opening to the world that is not dominated by Israel is the border with Egypt. Only from there can food arrive to sustain life and medicaments to save the injured. This border remains closed at the height of the horror. The Egyptian army has blocked the only way for food and medicines to enter, while surgeons operate on the wounded without anesthetics.

Throughout the Arab world, from end to end, there echoed the words of Hassan Nasrallah: The leaders of Egypt are accomplices to the crime, they are collaborating with the ?Zionist enemy? in trying to break the Palestinian people. It can be assumed that he did not mean only Mubarak, but also all the other leaders, from the king of Saudi Arabia to the Palestinian President. Seeing the demonstrations throughout the Arab world and listening to the slogans, one gets the impression that their leaders seem to many Arabs pathetic at best, and miserable collaborators at worst.

This will have historic consequences. A whole generation of Arab leaders, a generation imbued with the ideology of secular Arab nationalism, the successors of Gamal Abd-al-Nasser, Hafez al-Assad and Yasser Arafat, may be swept from the stage. In the Arab space, the only viable alternative is the ideology of Islamic fundamentalism.

This war is a writing on the wall: Israel is missing the historic chance of making peace with secular Arab nationalism. Tomorrow, It may be faced with a uniformly fundamentalist Arab world, Hamas multiplied by a thousand.

MY TAXI DRIVER in Tel-Aviv the other day was thinking aloud: Why not call up the sons of the ministers and members of the Knesset, form them into a combat unit and send them off to head the coming ground attack on Gaza?[/i]

http://www.avnery-news.co.il/english/index.html

You can’t talk to this guy about terrorism. He was a terrorist!

Uri Avnery, huh, lixy?

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/2029

Why is it that most of your favorite authors keep turning up on jihad or neo-Nazi sites? This, and your assertion that Henry Ford wasn’t an antisemite start making you look like you have a rather Qur’anic view of the Jews, lixy.

" Leftwing Neo - Nazi web site " , " Israel - hating Jews "

Holy fuck!

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Uri Avnery, huh, lixy?

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/2029

Why is it that most of your favorite authors keep turning up on jihad or neo-Nazi sites? This, and your assertion that Henry Ford wasn’t an antisemite start making you look like you have a rather Qur’anic view of the Jews, lixy. [/quote]

Henry Ford was indeed extremely anti-semitic. With America heading into World War I, Ford began a media blitz campaign against Jews that took off and continued well into the 1930s. He published “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion” (later proved to be a fraud, forgery, and hoax), “The International Jew,” (most allegations also proven groundless) and for ninety-one consecutive weeks, an uninterrupted serious of venomous essays in “The Dearborn Independent.” Declaring “I know who caused the war,” Henry Ford became ever more convinced that these “parasites, these sloths and lunatics … apostles of murder,” the “German-Jewish bankers,” were “liable for all society’s ills.”

An interesting note is that Hitler had a large framed portrait of Henry Ford, Sr. in his private office.

In his later years, Ford apologized for his anti-Semitic remarks, but many believe it was insincere.

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
To HAMAS:

Stop the daily missile attacks into Southern Israel and the carnage stops…

Mufasa

Again, you’re ignoring the blockade and the fact that Gaza is, as the saying goes, the world’s largest open air prison. None of this excuses Palestinian terrorism; there are very few people in the West who are actually Hamas apologists. But you make the issue seem completely one-sided. It isn’t.

The Blockade and the current fighting are for the same reasons.

And I’ll say it again…there are NO winners in all this…

Just a LOT of people who lose…

Mufasa

[/quote]

Egypt is participating in this blockade too, GDollars. And Israel lifted the blockade on December 27 for vital aid. More than a dozen rockets and mortars were fired from Gaza even though Israel opened the border crossings to allow in humanitarian supplies. Israel can’t do any more without opening itself to more threats.

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
To HAMAS:

Stop the daily missile attacks into Southern Israel and the carnage stops…

Mufasa

Again, you’re ignoring the blockade and the fact that Gaza is, as the saying goes, the world’s largest open air prison. None of this excuses Palestinian terrorism; there are very few people in the West who are actually Hamas apologists. But you make the issue seem completely one-sided. It isn’t.

The Blockade and the current fighting are for the same reasons.

And I’ll say it again…there are NO winners in all this…

Just a LOT of people who lose…

Mufasa

Egypt is participating in this blockade too, GDollars. And Israel lifted the blockade on December 27 for vital aid. More than a dozen rockets and mortars were fired from Gaza even though Israel opened the border crossings to allow in humanitarian supplies. Israel can’t do any more without opening itself to more threats.[/quote]

I know Egypt is; the Arab countries often treat the Palestinians nearly as badly as the Israelis do, no argument there.

As for the blockade, of course Israel has security concerns, but they also use those concerns to take land (West Bank) or engage in collective punishment.

The most hardline Israeli settlers, if you didn’t know, aren’t any better than Hamas:

"And, in one of the starkest moments documented by journalists, Israeli journalists intervened to protect a Palestinian family from Jewish rioters.

It was a moment Haaretz journalist Avi Issacharoff bluntly called “a pogrom.” Avi

“This isn’t a play on words or a double meaning,” Issacharoff wrote. “It is a pogrom in the worst sense of the word.”

“The brain requires a minute or two to digest what is taking place,” he writes of going into the house and seeing the Palestinian family under attack. “Women and children crying bitterly, their faces giving off an expression of horror, sensing their imminent deaths, begging the journalists to save their lives. Stones land on the roof of the home, the windows and the doors. Flames engulf the southern entrance to the home. The front yard is littered with stones thrown by the masked men. The windows are shattered and the children are frightened. All around, as if they were watching a rock concert, are hundreds of Jewish witnesses, observing the events with great interest, even offering suggestions to the Jewish wayward youth as to the most effective way to harm the family. And the police are not to be seen. Nor is the army.”

“I thought they were going to lynch those people,” Issacharoff later told The Globe and Mail. "I couldn’t just stand by.

“I can’t believe that people - Israelis, Jews - can sink so low and do such things,” he said."

[quote]pushharder wrote:

Despicable but that is the relative rarity among Israelis. There is no way you could ever say that would be a rarity among the Palestinians if it were the other way around. Could you?[/quote]

Has anyone here besides myself actually spent anytime in Gaza and/or the West Bank? Or had dealings with Palestinians? Or settlers in the Occupied Territories for that matter?

I haven’t read all of this thread but my experiences in these areas and with these people are so far removed from the bluster I keep hearing from people who as far as I can tell have absolutely no direct experience.

The people firing rockets into Israel are murderous scum. They are a minority. The people who live in absolute fear of military reprisal from fellow Palestinians, Israel military, racist murderous scum settlers, have humiliating antagonistic travel restrictions put on them by an authority imposed on them, who have had family members killed, who are restricted in water, electricity, medicine, education, who are humiliated at check points daily, who are so desperate for work they help build a wall they despise and oppose for meagre wages… these people are the majority of Palestinians.

They do not take up arms. They are horrified to hear of suicide bombings a) for the sorrow of those murdered and b) the undoubted reprisals they face. They are scared, hungry, poor, proud, kind people.

As always the egos of a few elites wreck havoc with lives of innocent people. Jew and Palestinian alike.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
GCF wrote:
pushharder wrote:

Despicable but that is the relative rarity among Israelis. There is no way you could ever say that would be a rarity among the Palestinians if it were the other way around. Could you?

Has anyone here besides myself actually spent anytime in Gaza and/or the West Bank? Or had dealings with Palestinians? Or settlers in the Occupied Territories for that matter?

I haven’t read all of this thread but my experiences in these areas and with these people are so far removed from the bluster I keep hearing from people who as far as I can tell have absolutely no direct experience.

The people firing rockets into Israel are murderous scum. They are a minority. The people who live in absolute fear of military reprisal from fellow Palestinians, Israel military, racist murderous scum settlers, have humiliating antagonistic travel restrictions put on them by an authority imposed on them, who have had family members killed, who are restricted in water, electricity, medicine, education, who are humiliated at check points daily, who are so desperate for work they help build a wall they despise and oppose for meagre wages… these people are the majority of Palestinians.

They do not take up arms. They are horrified to hear of suicide bombings a) for the sorrow of those murdered and b) the undoubted reprisals they face. They are scared, hungry, poor, proud, kind people.

As always the egos of a few elites wreck havoc with lives of innocent people. Jew and Palestinian alike.

So the chanting mobs of hundreds and thousands yodeling howls of glee that I see on television news reports following events like 9-11 (and others), these people are the “minority” that you speak of?

Where’s the majority when the TV cameras are prowling around? At the bowling alley knocking back them eighteen packs of Odoul’s?

[/quote]

I was in Gaza during 9/11. If you can point to me where I can see footage of ‘hundreds of thousands’ of Palestinians celebrating over 9/11 I’d be fucking shocked.

I was in Gaza during the attacks. The scene I saw was very fucking sombre. Women crying, men shocked. I couldn’t believe the footage of celebrations I saw later. I was sickened by it. But what I saw was hundreds NOT hundreds of thousands of idiots. Far far far from any kind of majority.

The attacks were decounced by the PNA and many Palestinian leaders. This from WIKI.

Reports and images of Palestinians from East Jerusalem, Nablus, and Lebanon taking to the streets in celebration, were broadcast around the world.[23] with many newspapers, magazines, Web sites and wire services running photographs.[26][27] The PNA claimed such celebrations were not representative of the sentiments of the Palestinian people, and the Information Minister Yasser Abed Rabbo said the PNA would not allow “a few kids” to “smear the real face of the Palestinians”. In an attempt to quash further reporting, Ahmed Abdel Rahman, Arafat’s Cabinet secretary, said the Palestinian Authority could not “guarantee the life” of an Associated Press (AP) cameraman if footage he filmed of post-9/11 celebrations in Nablus was broadcast. Rahman’s statement prompted a formal protest from the AP bureau chief, Dan Perry.[25][27]

Investigation of news reporting and allegations of fraud

Annette Krüger Spitta of the ARD’s (German public broadcasting) TV magazine Panorama states that footage not aired shows that the street surrounding the celebration in Jerusalem is quiet. Furthermore, she states that a man in a white T-shirt incited the children and gathered people together for the shot. The Panorama report, dated September 20, 2001, quotes Communications Professor Martin Löffelholz explaining that in the images one sees jubilant Palestinian children and several adults but there is no indication that their pleasure is related to the attack. The woman seen cheering (Nawal Abdel Fatah) stated afterwards that she was offered cake if she celebrated on camera, and was frightened when she saw the pictures on television afterward.[28]

There was also rumour that the footage of some Palestinians celebrating the attacks was stock footage of Palestinian reactions to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990.[29] This rumour was proven false shortly afterwards,[30] and CNN issued a statement to that effect.[31]

Push. If you went to the Occ territories you would be treated with such warmth and hospitality and see the appalling conditions and humiliations these people endure daily you would think twice about making such huge generalizations.

[quote]pushharder wrote
I appreciate your post but you need to re-read mine. I did not write “hundreds of thousands”. Please pay attention.[/quote]

Yep. I did misread your post. My bad. Although hundreds and thousands are quite clearly a minority. I have my doubts about that footage but even if it was true (i.e they were knowingly and genuinely celebrating the death of those murdered in that barbaric act) it is nothing remotely like what I experienced. I wish they had shown footage of the parts of Gaza I saw on that day. The anguish and sadness was astonishing.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
GCF wrote:
pushharder wrote
I appreciate your post but you need to re-read mine. I did not write “hundreds of thousands”. Please pay attention.

Yep. I did misread your post. My bad. Although hundreds and thousands are quite clearly a minority. I have my doubts about that footage but even if it was true (i.e they were knowingly and genuinely celebrating the death of those murdered in that barbaric act) it is nothing remotely like what I experienced. I wish they had shown footage of the parts of Gaza I saw on that day. The anguish and sadness was astonishing.

The astonishing anguish and sadness you saw was indeed for the United States of America, the only true blue supporter of Israel on the planet?

[/quote]

It was for the people killed. Is that really so hard to believe? Do you think I am making this up? Palestinians don’t like to see innocent Americans killed just like you don’t like to see innocent Palestinians, Israelis, Iraqis, Iranians or whatever killed. Is that hard to believe? You do realize they are human beings don’t you?

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Uri Avnery, huh, lixy?

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/2029

Why is it that most of your favorite authors keep turning up on jihad or neo-Nazi sites? This, and your assertion that Henry Ford wasn’t an antisemite start making you look like you have a rather Qur’anic view of the Jews, lixy.

Henry Ford was indeed extremely anti-semitic. With America heading into World War I, Ford began a media blitz campaign against Jews that took off and continued well into the 1930s. He published “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion” (later proved to be a fraud, forgery, and hoax), “The International Jew,” (most allegations also proven groundless) and for ninety-one consecutive weeks, an uninterrupted serious of venomous essays in “The Dearborn Independent.” Declaring “I know who caused the war,” Henry Ford became ever more convinced that these “parasites, these sloths and lunatics … apostles of murder,” the “German-Jewish bankers,” were “liable for all society’s ills.”

An interesting note is that Hitler had a large framed portrait of Henry Ford, Sr. in his private office.

In his later years, Ford apologized for his anti-Semitic remarks, but many believe it was insincere.
[/quote]

Interesting. Maybe you should reference all this, compile it and file it under “Accusations of anti-semitism” on Ford’s wiki page.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
The most hardline Israeli settlers, if you didn’t know, aren’t any better than Hamas:

"And, in one of the starkest moments documented by journalists, Israeli journalists intervened to protect a Palestinian family from Jewish rioters.

It was a moment Haaretz journalist Avi Issacharoff bluntly called “a pogrom.” Avi

“This isn’t a play on words or a double meaning,” Issacharoff wrote. “It is a pogrom in the worst sense of the word.”

“The brain requires a minute or two to digest what is taking place,” he writes of going into the house and seeing the Palestinian family under attack. “Women and children crying bitterly, their faces giving off an expression of horror, sensing their imminent deaths, begging the journalists to save their lives. Stones land on the roof of the home, the windows and the doors. Flames engulf the southern entrance to the home. The front yard is littered with stones thrown by the masked men. The windows are shattered and the children are frightened. All around, as if they were watching a rock concert, are hundreds of Jewish witnesses, observing the events with great interest, even offering suggestions to the Jewish wayward youth as to the most effective way to harm the family. And the police are not to be seen. Nor is the army.”

“I thought they were going to lynch those people,” Issacharoff later told The Globe and Mail. "I couldn’t just stand by.

“I can’t believe that people - Israelis, Jews - can sink so low and do such things,” he said."

Despicable but that is the relative rarity among Israelis. There is no way you could ever say that would be a rarity among the Palestinians if it were the other way around. Could you?[/quote]

Besides being the despicable rarity, it’s denounced by the government in addition to most citizens. In Palestine it IS the government that endorses, condones, promotes, and commits the worst atrocities.