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The Allied powers following WW2 have the largest share of responsibility for the mess in that region, including the fighting between Palestine and Israel. [/quote]
Why is that? The British were the ones in charge of the Palestine mandate. Before and during the war the British refused to allow Jewish refugees into Palestine because the Arabs would get upset.
In 1939 Hitler deported a boatload of Jews that sailed around the Atlantic basin trying to find a home for them. Noone would take the Jews. Not even the US.
“On 4 June 1939, the St. Louis was also refused permission to land her passengers under orders from President Roosevelt as the ship waited between Florida and Cuba.”
After that the Germans decided to come up with another solution to the Jewish question. This is all because the British didn’t want to upset the Arabs.
The allies let Hitler slaughter millions of Jews to keep Arabs lile Lixy happy. But it still wasn’t enough.
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The decision to create the state of Israel, triggering a situation in which both the Arabs and the Israelis fight to reclaim or protect “their” lands is the root of the whole thing. [/quote]
What decision was that? At the end of the war the allies were pushing the Jews back into the concentration camps because they didn’t know what else to do with them because the British still refused to allow them into Palestine.
Finally when the Jews had enough of that bullshit they took it upon themselves to move back into the one area that had ever been their homeland.
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From the Arab perspective, a piece of their land was taken and made into a state to appease the guilt of Europeans (not Arabs) for slaughtering Jewish people. Nobody would do the same with a chunk of Great Britain or of the USA. [/quote]
Arabs and other Muslims were active participants in the Holocaust. Europeans tried to stop the Jews from going back to their homeland. You are making disingenuous excuses for Muslim prejudice and hatred.
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The USA doesn’t even give real independence to their local natives - just ties them up into its own federal structure.
From the Israeli perspective they’re thus surrounded by enemies and are determined not to give up what they have. Now, I don’t think anyone here is saying that Israel doesn’t have the right to protect itself. Just that Palestinian kids have the right to live. [/quote]
If their parents don’t care about turning their neighborhood into a war zone there is no one else to blame.
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Tel-Aviv is currently using a form of collective punishment (not to mention disproportionate) that puts it up there with the most vile regimes in modern history. This should be unequivocally condemned. [/quote]
They voted for Hamas and now they are suffering the consequences. If you mess with the bull you get the horns. What is vile is Hamas dragging everyone into their bullshit and their supporters like you not putting blame where it belongs.
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Despite whatever propaganda you might be fed, neither Palestinians nor Israelis have shown a real desire to live harmoniously. What we are witnessing is a crystallization of this decades later.
And let it there be no doubt that the Palestinians are the victims here. They are the ones in refugee camps. They are the stateless ones. They are the ones locked up in bantustans. They are dying in massive numbers under Israeli bombs. Israelis, by comparison, aren’t suffering one bit. So let’s keep some perspective. [/quote]
They are victims of their own hatred. If they weren’t such haters they would have resolved this long ago.
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Also, let’s stop pretending this is about “the Jooz”. Some of the most vocal critics of Israeli actions are Jews, and most of the staunchest defender of the Zionist state have nothing Jewish about them.
Peace. [/quote]
There are people on both sides who have different views of the conflict. Here is an interview with the son of a Hamas founder, who converted to Christianity.
http://www.foxnews.com/video-search/m/21728159/heroic_treason.htm?q=hamas
