If it were truly just aid on the ships, it would have been a great PR move for the ships to allow the Israelis to board and video tape that this was a peaceful mission. It would have made world news that they were peaceful being boarded by the aggressors, Israel. But they didn’t. They were told not to enter Israel’s waters but they were openly defying and saying they would.
Israel should have waited for them to enter their waters, but the end would have been the same except Israel could have taken the ships into custody.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
The Israelis are fast backing off the claim that the people on the ships had guns.I support their right to search these ships,but they really got sucker punched here.I don’t see how this was allowed to go down the way it did.It’s a fuck up for them.Stop and board them close to your territorial waters,at least.[/quote]
What difference does it make how close they let them get?[/quote]
From a p.r. standpoint?Territorial waters are considered sovereign territory.You don’t think that makes a difference?[/quote]
They proclaimed they were going to gaza. It isn’t like they attacked someone’s port to intercept the boats.
I think the only difference is semantics. People who don’t like Israel will use it to criticize, but had they waited, the same people wouldn’t change their mind about the situation.
My first thought when I heard the story was, “WTF is Israel doing?”. But looking at the video and the situation, I don’t think they did anything wrong.
If they had waited for territorial waters, then this shit had gone down, would it change your opinion of the situation?[/quote]
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International waters is just a legal term, it doesn’t really mean anything. They were in the middle of the ocean and everyone knows they were heading for Gaza, what’s the problem
[quote]Yonatan wrote:
I haven’t read the whole thread but here’s my view on this.
Before you think of anything else, know that this humanitarian mission was launched in full knowledge of the blockade of Gaza. They knew that they were going to be intercepted and there would be confrontation. They knew Israel would not let allow them to get to Gaza and yet they went anyway.
They were told several times in English to turn the boats around, but they didn’t. They were deliberately provoking Israel and now that shit got real they’re crying about it as if it wasn’t their fault and it was not forseeable.
Commandos boarded the ship and they were greeted with considerable resistence. Even if what they say is true that they were only beating the soldiers with wood (which I don’t believe) then they are incredibly stupid. The soldiers were beaten severely and several were thrown onto lower decks (see video).
Do I completely agree with Israel’s tactics? No, I don’t, I think they could have handled it better and regret the impact this will have on their foreign relations, but I still stand with Israel on this.[/quote]
What would you say Israel should have done?
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Yonatan wrote:
I haven’t read the whole thread but here’s my view on this.
Before you think of anything else, know that this humanitarian mission was launched in full knowledge of the blockade of Gaza. They knew that they were going to be intercepted and there would be confrontation. They knew Israel would not let allow them to get to Gaza and yet they went anyway.
They were told several times in English to turn the boats around, but they didn’t. They were deliberately provoking Israel and now that shit got real they’re crying about it as if it wasn’t their fault and it was not forseeable.
Commandos boarded the ship and they were greeted with considerable resistence. Even if what they say is true that they were only beating the soldiers with wood (which I don’t believe) then they are incredibly stupid. The soldiers were beaten severely and several were thrown onto lower decks (see video).
Do I completely agree with Israel’s tactics? No, I don’t, I think they could have handled it better and regret the impact this will have on their foreign relations, but I still stand with Israel on this.[/quote]
What would you say Israel should have done?[/quote]
Wait for them to get to Israeli waters and torpedo there asses?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Yonatan wrote:
I haven’t read the whole thread but here’s my view on this.
Before you think of anything else, know that this humanitarian mission was launched in full knowledge of the blockade of Gaza. They knew that they were going to be intercepted and there would be confrontation. They knew Israel would not let allow them to get to Gaza and yet they went anyway.
They were told several times in English to turn the boats around, but they didn’t. They were deliberately provoking Israel and now that shit got real they’re crying about it as if it wasn’t their fault and it was not forseeable.
Commandos boarded the ship and they were greeted with considerable resistence. Even if what they say is true that they were only beating the soldiers with wood (which I don’t believe) then they are incredibly stupid. The soldiers were beaten severely and several were thrown onto lower decks (see video).
Do I completely agree with Israel’s tactics? No, I don’t, I think they could have handled it better and regret the impact this will have on their foreign relations, but I still stand with Israel on this.[/quote]
What would you say Israel should have done?[/quote]
Wait for them to get to Israeli waters and torpedo there asses? [/quote]
That would have gone over real well in the International Community.
hijack thread - maybe they should have smoked meth and had gay sex with them - /hijack
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Yonatan wrote:
I haven’t read the whole thread but here’s my view on this.
Before you think of anything else, know that this humanitarian mission was launched in full knowledge of the blockade of Gaza. They knew that they were going to be intercepted and there would be confrontation. They knew Israel would not let allow them to get to Gaza and yet they went anyway.
They were told several times in English to turn the boats around, but they didn’t. They were deliberately provoking Israel and now that shit got real they’re crying about it as if it wasn’t their fault and it was not forseeable.
Commandos boarded the ship and they were greeted with considerable resistence. Even if what they say is true that they were only beating the soldiers with wood (which I don’t believe) then they are incredibly stupid. The soldiers were beaten severely and several were thrown onto lower decks (see video).
Do I completely agree with Israel’s tactics? No, I don’t, I think they could have handled it better and regret the impact this will have on their foreign relations, but I still stand with Israel on this.[/quote]
What would you say Israel should have done?[/quote]
Wait for them to get to Israeli waters and torpedo there asses? [/quote]
That would have gone over real well in the International Community.
hijack thread - maybe they should have smoked meth and had gay sex with them - /hijack[/quote]
It’s only truly gay if you cuddle afterward… or so I’m told.
Edit: Wait, I already mentioned gay sex. I did say “torpedo their asses”.
not even the israelis claim that they had torbedos on board.
[quote]jre67t wrote:
Guys, this was a setup to lure Israel. Think about it, if it was just medical aid along with food supply that you wanted to get to people that you deeply care about. Would it not be worth your time to have the ship inspected Israel? Whats so hard about that, really. Israel fell into this trap all to easily.
If the pro-Gaza boats really cared about there mission why not let them on to inspect and why defy them. I support Israel on this. All this looney people who support Gaza are just plain dumb to realize that Israel is protecting its own state. It has enemies on all sides, yet you all buffons want to blame them for everything. They did what they had to do to protect themselves, just like any real Man will do to protect his Wife and Children.
Let me restate that this was done on purpose to make them Jews look bad. [/quote]
Israel is like a child protected by a bully, Israel made a deal not so long ago, not to build in Gaza and while Obama was in then they change their mind News :Israel to build 700 new homes in East Jerusalem; state also may seize private Palestinian land in West Bank.
Now this fiasco, I do not believe it is in Israelâ??s interest to have a peace agreement, I think we need to back off. They feel they can act any way they want and America has their back
As law has it Israel committed an act of PIRACY.
[quote]Mishima wrote:
not even the israelis claim that they had torbedos on board.[/quote]
Swing and a miss…
[quote]Mishima wrote:
and please: on the ship were members of the german bundestag. do you really think they would be part of “provoke israel suicide mission”?[/quote]
Yeah, 'cause Germans love Jewish folk.
do you have a source that they did?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jre67t wrote:
Guys, this was a setup to lure Israel. Think about it, if it was just medical aid along with food supply that you wanted to get to people that you deeply care about. Would it not be worth your time to have the ship inspected Israel? Whats so hard about that, really. Israel fell into this trap all to easily.
If the pro-Gaza boats really cared about there mission why not let them on to inspect and why defy them. I support Israel on this. All this looney people who support Gaza are just plain dumb to realize that Israel is protecting its own state. It has enemies on all sides, yet you all buffons want to blame them for everything. They did what they had to do to protect themselves, just like any real Man will do to protect his Wife and Children.
Let me restate that this was done on purpose to make them Jews look bad. [/quote]
Israel is like a child protected by a bully, Israel made a deal not so long ago, not to build in Gaza and while Obama was in then they change their mind News :Israel to build 700 new homes in East Jerusalem; state also may seize private Palestinian land in West Bank.
Now this fiasco, I do not believe it is in Israelâ??s interest to have a peace agreement, I think we need to back off. They feel they can act any way they want and America has their back
As law has it Israel committed an act of PIRACY.[/quote]
No Israeli is stupid enough to think Obama has has “Israel’s back.” His first act as president was to call Hamas and he went to the Church of Kill Whitey and the Jews for 20 years.
No idea why members of my tribe remotely voted for the man.
[quote]Mishima wrote:
not even the israelis claim that they had torbedos on board.[/quote]
Now I know two things - one you’re a troll (no one ever said that the ships were carrying torpedos)
and two - the were definitely torpedos on board - I grew up around Syrians, there are always cigarettes and cigars of every shape and size in the mix when Arabs are together - I can see it now - swarthy rotund bearded gentleman over on the third deck leeward side puffing ever so gently on his Cohiba Criollo torpedo and enjoying the aroma wafting above the sea smells on a perfect moonlite night . . .
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Mishima wrote:
and please: on the ship were members of the german bundestag. do you really think they would be part of “provoke israel suicide mission”?[/quote]
Yeah, 'cause Germans love Jewish folk.[/quote]
they were from the left party. to claim that they are antisemitic is like calling obama a right wing bush-fan
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jre67t wrote:
Guys, this was a setup to lure Israel. Think about it, if it was just medical aid along with food supply that you wanted to get to people that you deeply care about. Would it not be worth your time to have the ship inspected Israel? Whats so hard about that, really. Israel fell into this trap all to easily.
If the pro-Gaza boats really cared about there mission why not let them on to inspect and why defy them. I support Israel on this. All this looney people who support Gaza are just plain dumb to realize that Israel is protecting its own state. It has enemies on all sides, yet you all buffons want to blame them for everything. They did what they had to do to protect themselves, just like any real Man will do to protect his Wife and Children.
Let me restate that this was done on purpose to make them Jews look bad. [/quote]
Israel is like a child protected by a bully, Israel made a deal not so long ago, not to build in Gaza and while Obama was in then they change their mind News :Israel to build 700 new homes in East Jerusalem; state also may seize private Palestinian land in West Bank.
Now this fiasco, I do not believe it is in Israel�¢??s interest to have a peace agreement, I think we need to back off. They feel they can act any way they want and America has their back
As law has it Israel committed an act of PIRACY.[/quote]
No Israeli is stupid enough to think Obama has has “Israel’s back.” His first act as president was to call Hamas and he went to the Church of Kill Whitey and the Jews for 20 years.
No idea why members of my tribe remotely voted for the man.[/quote]
Hopefully they see the error of their ways.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jre67t wrote:
Guys, this was a setup to lure Israel. Think about it, if it was just medical aid along with food supply that you wanted to get to people that you deeply care about. Would it not be worth your time to have the ship inspected Israel? Whats so hard about that, really. Israel fell into this trap all to easily.
If the pro-Gaza boats really cared about there mission why not let them on to inspect and why defy them. I support Israel on this. All this looney people who support Gaza are just plain dumb to realize that Israel is protecting its own state. It has enemies on all sides, yet you all buffons want to blame them for everything. They did what they had to do to protect themselves, just like any real Man will do to protect his Wife and Children.
Let me restate that this was done on purpose to make them Jews look bad. [/quote]
Israel is like a child protected by a bully, Israel made a deal not so long ago, not to build in Gaza and while Obama was in then they change their mind News :Israel to build 700 new homes in East Jerusalem; state also may seize private Palestinian land in West Bank.
Now this fiasco, I do not believe it is in Israelâ??s interest to have a peace agreement, I think we need to back off. They feel they can act any way they want and America has their back
As law has it Israel committed an act of PIRACY.[/quote]
Oh please. Maybe they just understand peace with the likes of hamas is an impossibility. People like you just don’t get it. The only way peace can be achieved is for one group to wipe the other off the face of the map. You cannot reason with these people. It is kill or be killed.
It is actually amazing Israel has survive thus far using as much restraint as they have.
[quote]Mishima wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Mishima wrote:
and please: on the ship were members of the german bundestag. do you really think they would be part of “provoke israel suicide mission”?[/quote]
Yeah, 'cause Germans love Jewish folk.[/quote]
they were from the left party. to claim that they are antisemitic is like calling obama a right wing bush-fan[/quote]
So you are saying that Obama hates bush? I thought he was married.
[quote]Mishima wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Mishima wrote:
and please: on the ship were members of the german bundestag. do you really think they would be part of “provoke israel suicide mission”?[/quote]
Yeah, 'cause Germans love Jewish folk.[/quote]
they were from the left party. to claim that they are antisemitic is like calling obama a right wing bush-fan[/quote]
And that’s like referring to bush as right wing.
but just to make one thing clear: if there is believable proof that the ship had torpedos on board Israel was right. Right now there is no proof for that.