So why do “peace” activist have weapons again?
[quote]OrcusDM wrote:
Just to start, I’m not trying to be confrontational, just to start a debate.
As far as I’m concerned, Israel had no other choice than to intercept these ships.
No-one had officially informed them of the ships, no-one had searched the ships, and Israel have a bit of a problem with people smuggling in mortars and rifles.
As for the conduct of the interception, I’d like to wait until the report. Both sides claim the other side instigated gun fire, and I have no idea as I’m not on the boat.
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Good post. Yes, Israel had every right to demand that these people stop and be searched. Only fucking evil people would demand that Israel just sit and watch.
If I saw something like this approaching my shores and they refused to stop, I’d have fire bombed the whole thing.
[quote]kapulsky wrote:
Iran also openly support terrorism.
so i dont think that the NPT is gonna stop them, do you?
israel is not and has never been a nuclear power…it is widely thought that it is but never been proven. so maybe u need to get your facts right. and Vanunu is in jail for sharing national secrets (not just about nuclear arms, but other).
at the end of the day its not the world business what Israel does in order to keep it safe. so your opinion doesnt really matter nor my or any other non-israeli person here!
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Well said! Common sense approaches are better than the Loony Left here, like (Ir)rational
Gaze.
[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
[quote]Eli B wrote:
[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
Score another one for “brave little Israel”, that shining beacon of democracy in the Middle East.
You know, the country that has over 400 nuclear weapons but won’t sign onto the U.N.'s nuclear non-proliferation act. The country that wants to drag America into another war with Iran because they have the audacity to want to have one nuke while Israel has over 400. The country that keeps Palestinians living in an apartheid state. The country that kills innocent women and children in Gaza with tanks, jet fighters and advanced weaponry because the Palestinians launched a mortar at them, and the reason they launched the mortar was because of their inhumane treatment. The country that receives billions of American taxpayer dollars and military equipment annually and Americans receive NOTHING in return. The country that continues to defy international law by continuing to build on Palestinian land.
World opinion is turning against Israel and for good reason. How long will Americans support a Racist, Warmongering, Apartheid-state?
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I cant substantially disagree with anything you’ve said except for your implication that Iran should be allowed to have a nuke.
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I call bullshit, the give Egypt about the same in aid. both in cash and military equipment. I don’t here these leftist/jew haters talk about that. there are arab/muslim mp’s in the Israel knesset. arabs/muslims enjoy more rights in israel. then they do in arab/muslim countries. before you start accusing Israel of aparti. learn the definition of it. I stand with Israel. there is a difference between legitimate criticism of Israel and virulent jew hatred. [/quote]
Here’s a good starting point. Also, according to the Congressional Research Service “From 1946-2004, Israel was the largest receiver of U.S. foreign aid, only being recently supplanted by Iraq”.
And why did Iraq recieve more aid than Israel? Well, maybe because the entire country was destroyed by the War. And who was the biggest supporter of the Iraq War, well that would be Israel, AIPAC, and the ADL.
And if you want to compare Israeli aid with Egyptian aid, let’s get one thing straight. The only reason Egypt gets almost as much as Israel is because the Egyptian government supports Israel’s apartheid state.
Its funny how every time you speak up against the apartheid regime of Israel you get labelled as anti-semitic, and Israeli’s use this ploy everyday. The Nazi holocaust of the Jews is over but the holocaust of the Palestinians goes on. The majority of the people on this forum who side with Israel are American- coincidence?. The majority of the radicals say the major reason they fight against the U.S is because the Palestinians are suffering as a result of their support for Israel, many Al-Qaeda militants also claim this as the reason for 9/11. I think the average American needs to wake up and see that their support for Israel is putting their country in danger.
Remember:
Rachel Corrie( American) 23yrs old when an Israeli bulldozer was run over her deliberately.
The USS Liberty blown up by Israeli terrorists
The hundreds of British soldiers killed by zionist terrorist’s
[quote]dk44 wrote:
So why do “peace” activist have weapons again?[/quote]
Boarding a ship in international waters is Piracy, and the activists could use force to get the racist and brutal IDF off their ship. It was a aid ship for fucks sake
[quote]weby wrote:
[quote]dk44 wrote:
So why do “peace” activist have weapons again?[/quote]
Boarding a ship in international waters is Piracy, and the activists could use force to get the racist and brutal IDF off their ship. It was a aid ship for fucks sake[/quote]
Yup, and why would an “aid” ship have weapons on it? Especially since the whole point of the blockade was to keep weapons out of Gaza. Keep defending these idiots that provoked all this shit. How many times must the Arab world announce “Death to Israel” until you actually realize that is what they want to do?
You have to give Israel their dues for again saying fuck you the world and going their own way its the only way they have survived this long. I think Israel were more than right to stop these ships.
[quote]dk44 wrote:
[quote]weby wrote:
[quote]dk44 wrote:
So why do “peace” activist have weapons again?[/quote]
Boarding a ship in international waters is Piracy, and the activists could use force to get the racist and brutal IDF off their ship. It was a aid ship for fucks sake[/quote]
Yup, and why would an “aid” ship have weapons on it? Especially since the whole point of the blockade was to keep weapons out of Gaza. Keep defending these idiots that provoked all this shit. How many times must the Arab world announce “Death to Israel” until you actually realize that is what they want to do? [/quote]
The only so called weapons were sticks and maybe a knife against elite commando’s, it obvious you want to ignore evidence in front of your eyes, so continue being a propagandist for Israel and see where it gets you and your country.
elite commando’s armed with PAINTBALL GUNS! oh and then there is the inconveient fact that guns were confiscated from the passengers . . .
weby, give me any elite commando in the world - the best of the best of the best - send him down a rope into the middle of a crowd and put him up against 10 people armed with clubs and let’s see how that turns out every time, shall we? What are they supposed to be, Superman, impervious to all bodily harm?
You’re an idiot . . .
[quote]weby wrote:
[quote]dk44 wrote:
[quote]weby wrote:
[quote]dk44 wrote:
So why do “peace” activist have weapons again?[/quote]
Boarding a ship in international waters is Piracy, and the activists could use force to get the racist and brutal IDF off their ship. It was a aid ship for fucks sake[/quote]
Yup, and why would an “aid” ship have weapons on it? Especially since the whole point of the blockade was to keep weapons out of Gaza. Keep defending these idiots that provoked all this shit. How many times must the Arab world announce “Death to Israel” until you actually realize that is what they want to do? [/quote]
The only so called weapons were sticks and maybe a knife against elite commando’s, it obvious you want to ignore evidence in front of your eyes, so continue being a propagandist for Israel and see where it gets you and your country.[/quote]
So if the activist really only cared about getting aid to Gaza, why wouldn’t they just agree to stop at the blockade? Surely they wouldn’t care if the IDF looked thru boxes of Ramen Noodles and Band-Aids…you are so lost on this issue it isn’t even funny.
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
elite commando’s armed with PAINTBALL GUNS! oh and then there is the inconveient fact that guns were confiscated from the passengers . . .[/quote]
yes and this is why the people on the ship are dead and had to use evil and dangerous weapons like sticks.
The video is pretty convincing on the Israeli side. Looks to me like they did everything they could to avoid the conflict.
[quote]Mishima wrote:
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
elite commando’s armed with PAINTBALL GUNS! oh and then there is the inconveient fact that guns were confiscated from the passengers . . .[/quote]
yes and this is why the people on the ship are dead and had to use evil and dangerous weapons like sticks.
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Let me beat you with an iron rod like what was going on in the video and then tell me it isn’t a deadly weapon. Please. The civilians were nothing more than an angry mob openly defying the law. They were the ones that wanted conflict, they are the ones that appear to want to kill people. I don’t see how some people are defending mob violence.
[quote]Mishima wrote:
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
elite commando’s armed with PAINTBALL GUNS! oh and then there is the inconveient fact that guns were confiscated from the passengers . . .[/quote]
yes and this is why the people on the ship are dead and had to use evil and dangerous weapons like sticks.
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just shooting a gun is no guarantee of marksmanship . . . and they did shoot 2 of the Israeli’s, the Israeli’s just happen to be better trained marksman.
where are the dead soldiers than if the crew was 600 ultraviolent, extremly dangerous and armed to the teeth terrorists?
[quote]Mishima wrote:
where are the dead soldiers than if the crew was 600 ultraviolent, extremly dangerous and armed to the teeth terrorists? [/quote]
So, your view is that the Israeli has to die before any other Israeli can defend a threat to his life with deadly force . . . umm, yeah . . .
because you know those evil Israeli’s were going to make them dock, unload their cargo for them - make sure no weapons were being smuggled in - and then deliver the humanitarian aid at their own expense - OUTRAGEOUS, EVIL BASTARDS - you’re right they were entirely justified in attacking the Israeli’s first - HOW DESPICABLE OF THOSE HORRIBLE ISRAELI’s!!
[quote]Mishima wrote:
where are the dead soldiers than if the crew was 600 ultraviolent, extremly dangerous and armed to the teeth terrorists? [/quote]
Are you an idiot? Did you watch the video? Yes, they were ultra violent. Yes, they attempted to kill the soldiers. Yes, the soldiers made every effort to not use deadly force. How can you sit there watching a mob of people beat soldiers relentlessly with bats and chairs and rods, throw them off decks, shoot them, and condemn the soldiers?
These people on the ships would have killed every Israeli they could get their hands on, they support suicide bombing Israeli children.
If these soldiers didn’t do what they do, these people would be killing Jews. How is that so hard to understand?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Mishima wrote:
where are the dead soldiers than if the crew was 600 ultraviolent, extremly dangerous and armed to the teeth terrorists? [/quote]
These people on the ships would have killed every Israeli they could get their hands on, they support suicide bombing Israeli children.
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yes thats what members of the german bundestag and best selling swedish authors are generally known for these days.