[quote]JamFly wrote:
Hamas have called for a ‘day of rage’ wtf does that mean?[/quote]
Peaceful protest.
Probably shouldn’t, but since it’s all over the news:
Isn’t the real issue here whether or not Israel has the right to control the Gaza border in the first place?
If one accepts that they do, I see constraint on the part of the IDF in the released videos (envision any European or US force in a similar situation).
If one claims that they do NOT (leaning towards the latter myself…), then we might have a major incident on our hands…
Turkey’s making noises (nobody cares about Europe in this case…). Worries me a bit.
And oh - European activtists: I don’t for a second think that your’re anti Jewish, but just please, please think about who you’re associating with…
[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
Score another one for “brave little Israel”, that shining beacon of democracy in the Middle East.
You know, the country that has over 400 nuclear weapons but won’t sign onto the U.N.'s nuclear non-proliferation act. The country that wants to drag America into another war with Iran because they have the audacity to want to have one nuke while Israel has over 400. The country that keeps Palestinians living in an apartheid state. The country that kills innocent women and children in Gaza with tanks, jet fighters and advanced weaponry because the Palestinians launched a mortar at them, and the reason they launched the mortar was because of their inhumane treatment. The country that receives billions of American taxpayer dollars and military equipment annually and Americans receive NOTHING in return. The country that continues to defy international law by continuing to build on Palestinian land.
World opinion is turning against Israel and for good reason. How long will Americans support a Racist, Warmongering, Apartheid-state?
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I cant substantially disagree with anything you’ve said except for your implication that Iran should be allowed to have a nuke.
And the IDF has confiscated weapons that the “peaceful” protesters had brought to their “peaceful” protest.
Yep - paintball guns with non-lethal tear gas pellets against metal pipes, knives, chairs and now guns.
They have the right to control Gaza, the west bank, and any other territory captured from the nations that continually attack them.
Wow, some of you guys would have loved Nazi Germany - at least they had a solution for the Jews, right?
wow rational gaze and websa watch the video? Maybe the issue is more complicated than you thought. You guys have bought into the propaganda of the left as much as american conservatives buy into that of the right.
Yes anyone who is in disagreement with Israel is automatically a Nazi.
Logic Fail.
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
Wow, some of you guys would have loved Nazi Germany - at least they had a solution for the Jews, right?[/quote]
How does this help the debate at all?
The following is the transcript from Al-Jazeera TV:
Reporter: “Despite the Israeli threats and several unexpected delays, the arrival of the ships at the meeting point before sailing to the Gaza Strip inflamed the emotions and the enthusiasm of the participants.”
Visuals from Gaza flotilla ship of young Muslims shouting Islamic battle chant invoking the killing and defeat of Jews in battle:
“[Remember] Khaibar, Khaibar, oh Jews! The army of Muhammad will return!”
[Khaibar is the name of last Jewish village defeated by Muhammad’s army and it marked the end of Jewish presence in Arabia in 628.]
Reporter: “While singing songs reminiscent of the Palestinian Intifada (Palestinian terror war against Israel, 2000 - 2005), participants expressed their longing to reach Gaza.”
A participant: “Right now we face one of two happy endings: either Martyrdom or reaching Gaza.” [Based on Islamic call before battle: “Either victory or Martyrdom”.]
[Al-Jazeera TV, May 29, 2010
[quote]Dedicatedone wrote:
Yes anyone who is in disagreement with Israel is automatically a Nazi.
Logic Fail.[/quote]
No, silly person, the comment was made because of the unhinged hatred evidenced in some of their posts - Israel can do no right in their eyes - it was a comment of comparison, not a judgment of a general stance that opposes the Israel position in this Palestinian issue.
try a little understanding yourself . . .
[quote]Carl_ wrote:
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
Wow, some of you guys would have loved Nazi Germany - at least they had a solution for the Jews, right?[/quote]
How does this help the debate at all?[/quote]
see my earlier response - try to actually understand what I said, please.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Well, like I said above, I don’t fault the IDF. I think they acted with restraint, given the job they were set to do.
The issue here (as far as I understand) is whether they had the right to intercept or not.
I think this will blow over, personally…
[quote]baretta wrote:
They look pretty peaceful to me. They are swinging peace poles and throwing people down the deck of a boat must be a cultural thing.
Don’t these people have jobs? Families? how can they afford to do this?[/quote]
there living of welfare from the european countries they come from.
Nothing new here. Israel attacked the US in 1967 by sinking the US Liberty.
Jews and arabs are all semitic people’s just the same. The palestinians are very closely related to israeli jews genetically. Therefore jews have no monopoly on the concept of ‘anti-semitism’. Why do they even have a special racism word for that?
Both religions share beliefs of controversy. Except the jews’ belief system is racial. If it was not written in their books that they are ‘chosen people’ (racist much?) by birth and that a certain land (if not everything else as well) belongs to them, we probably would not know much about the anguish of palestinians as their media importance is born out of them being an obstacle to jews who control the media in Israel and abroad. Just how many border disputes, ethnic disputes (like the blacks sicced on by whites by jews in America) and war there is brewing in the world but underreported or unidentified relative to all the Israel babble that is disproportionately reported all the time. According to jew religion, gentiles are lesser humans (or non-human) and may be sacrificed for jewish interests if needed (I’m not saying all jews think like this but it’s been written down). I guess it would not matter what they believe if they were not so powerful.
Christians have some kind of a weird Stockholm syndrome love affair with jews although their religion is an obvious contradiction of their own teachings. Christians also teach that all races and people’s are equal but still do not mind maintaining an exception for jews who must be in the right or even genetically superior. The american christianites think all the arabs surrounding jews are primitive, hostile sandniggas but the near identical jews with their caste system are awesome, man. So americans will blindly side with Israel (jews) and decry true Europe with which they share real cultural and moral ties while condemning those who don’t as some sort of racists although judaism itself is the very racial thing. As proven by the fact that people of atheist affiliation will proudly describe themselves as jews. Secular or christian turks (for example) don’t describe themselves as ‘muslim’. That would be retarded.
I’m not saying that the turks were in the right but that it should not be interesting. What Israel does should not be interesting either. Obama should not have to ask the jews how they like something anymore than he asks what iranians, libyans or tunisians think. The fact that he cares shows something is amiss.
Just screw all semitic people’s equally. Including the jews masquerading as white europeans (not close) with a twist.
[quote]Eli B wrote:
[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
Score another one for “brave little Israel”, that shining beacon of democracy in the Middle East.
You know, the country that has over 400 nuclear weapons but won’t sign onto the U.N.'s nuclear non-proliferation act. The country that wants to drag America into another war with Iran because they have the audacity to want to have one nuke while Israel has over 400. The country that keeps Palestinians living in an apartheid state. The country that kills innocent women and children in Gaza with tanks, jet fighters and advanced weaponry because the Palestinians launched a mortar at them, and the reason they launched the mortar was because of their inhumane treatment. The country that receives billions of American taxpayer dollars and military equipment annually and Americans receive NOTHING in return. The country that continues to defy international law by continuing to build on Palestinian land.
World opinion is turning against Israel and for good reason. How long will Americans support a Racist, Warmongering, Apartheid-state?
[/quote]
I cant substantially disagree with anything you’ve said except for your implication that Iran should be allowed to have a nuke.
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I call bullshit, the give Egypt about the same in aid. both in cash and military equipment. I don’t here these leftist/jew haters talk about that. there are arab/muslim mp’s in the Israel knesset. arabs/muslims enjoy more rights in israel. then they do in arab/muslim countries. before you start accusing Israel of aparti. learn the definition of it. I stand with Israel. there is a difference between legitimate criticism of Israel and virulent jew hatred.
[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
[quote]Eli B wrote:
[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
Score another one for “brave little Israel”, that shining beacon of democracy in the Middle East.
You know, the country that has over 400 nuclear weapons but won’t sign onto the U.N.'s nuclear non-proliferation act. The country that wants to drag America into another war with Iran because they have the audacity to want to have one nuke while Israel has over 400. The country that keeps Palestinians living in an apartheid state. The country that kills innocent women and children in Gaza with tanks, jet fighters and advanced weaponry because the Palestinians launched a mortar at them, and the reason they launched the mortar was because of their inhumane treatment. The country that receives billions of American taxpayer dollars and military equipment annually and Americans receive NOTHING in return. The country that continues to defy international law by continuing to build on Palestinian land.
World opinion is turning against Israel and for good reason. How long will Americans support a Racist, Warmongering, Apartheid-state?
[/quote]
I cant substantially disagree with anything you’ve said except for your implication that Iran should be allowed to have a nuke.
[/quote]
I call bullshit, the give Egypt about the same in aid. both in cash and military equipment. I don’t here these leftist/jew haters talk about that. there are arab/muslim mp’s in the Israel knesset. arabs/muslims enjoy more rights in israel. then they do in arab/muslim countries. before you start accusing Israel of aparti. learn the definition of it. I stand with Israel. there is a difference between legitimate criticism of Israel and virulent jew hatred. [/quote]
I’m assuming that you’re trolling. If not, you’re practically illiterate. Kill self.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
Nothing new here. Israel attacked the US in 1967 by sinking the US Liberty.
Jews and arabs are all semitic people’s just the same. The palestinians are very closely related to israeli jews genetically. Therefore jews have no monopoly on the concept of ‘anti-semitism’. Why do they even have a special racism word for that?
Both religions share beliefs of controversy. Except the jews’ belief system is racial. If it was not written in their books that they are ‘chosen people’ (racist much?) by birth and that a certain land (if not everything else as well) belongs to them, we probably would not know much about the anguish of palestinians as their media importance is born out of them being an obstacle to jews who control the media in Israel and abroad. Just how many border disputes, ethnic disputes (like the blacks sicced on by whites by jews in America) and war there is brewing in the world but underreported or unidentified relative to all the Israel babble that is disproportionately reported all the time. According to jew religion, gentiles are lesser humans (or non-human) and may be sacrificed for jewish interests if needed (I’m not saying all jews think like this but it’s been written down). I guess it would not matter what they believe if they were not so powerful.
Christians have some kind of a weird Stockholm syndrome love affair with jews although their religion is an obvious contradiction of their own teachings. Christians also teach that all races and people’s are equal but still do not mind maintaining an exception for jews who must be in the right or even genetically superior. The american christianites think all the arabs surrounding jews are primitive, hostile sandniggas but the near identical jews with their caste system are awesome, man. So americans will blindly side with Israel (jews) and decry true Europe with which they share real cultural and moral ties while condemning those who don’t as some sort of racists although judaism itself is the very racial thing. As proven by the fact that people of atheist affiliation will proudly describe themselves as jews. Secular or christian turks (for example) don’t describe themselves as ‘muslim’. That would be retarded.
I’m not saying that the turks were in the right but that it should not be interesting. What Israel does should not be interesting either. Obama should not have to ask the jews how they like something anymore than he asks what iranians, libyans or tunisians think. The fact that he cares shows something is amiss.
Just screw all semitic people’s equally. Including the jews masquerading as white europeans (not close) with a twist.[/quote]
most of the blood flowing through my veins is European. yet I feel no cultural or moral connection to you or other Europeans for that matter. frankly I’m disgusted by Europeans in general. I side with Israel for moral and historical reasons. the jew’s will not go quitely. if the muslim don’t understand this. then ten’s or hundreds of millions of them will die. in their attempted to destroy Israel.
I really have no idea why you guys bother typing out trash-talk to each other instead of looking it up.
US Census (and I have no idea why they have data on this, but…) suggests we spend about 2 billion in foriegn aid for Egypt, and about 2.5 billion for Israel, in 2007.
Facts and figures probably changed a little in the last three years, but this should be a good starting point.
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/foreign_commerce_aid/foreign_aid.html
Also note, that this is more than any other country listed, excepting only Iraq and Afganistan, for reasons that should be obvious.
The International Humanitarian Fund (IHH), which plays a central role in organizing the Gaza Flotilla, is a Turkish humanitarian relief fund with a radical Islamic anti-Western orientation. The president of IHH (Bulent Yildirim) recruited â??Jihad warriorsâ?? and transferred firearms, and explosives to Al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorists organizations
[quote]Otep wrote:
I really have no idea why you guys bother typing out trash-talk to each other instead of looking it up.
US Census (and I have no idea why they have data on this, but…) suggests we spend about 2 billion in foriegn aid for Egypt, and about 2.5 billion for Israel, in 2007.
Facts and figures probably changed a little in the last three years, but this should be a good starting point.
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/foreign_commerce_aid/foreign_aid.html
Also note, that this is more than any other country listed, excepting only Iraq and Afganistan, for reasons that should be obvious.[/quote]
But, what if we looked at it as Isreal vs. nations hostile to it’s existence?