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[quote]pushharder wrote:
It literally pained me to read the Alf post.

Why do I do this?

What is it about PWI that attracts so many of the asinine to its shores?[/quote]

Me too, and I am German. I can just reiterate, as I have in many threads before, that the holocaust is a well documented fact - and that there’s no law in Germany forbidding any form of proper research into it. There is a law against using distorted facts about it for the purpose of inciting racial hatred and dishonouring its victims. I know that’s debatable from a purist free speech perspective - but there’s no jewish (or lizard people, or whoever else) conspiracy behind it.

It’s posts like Alffi’s which make me sometimes ashamed of T-Nation.

Makkun

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[quote]joebassin wrote:
The Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict, established by the UN Human Rights Council, found that both parties to the conflict were responsible for serious violations of international human rights and humanitarian law, and that they committed war crimes and possibly crimes against humanity.

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/09/16/israelgaza-implement-goldstone-recommendations-gaza

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UN Human rightc council? ROFLMAO…take a look at the current members. Fuck them.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
It literally pained me to read the Alf post.

Why do I do this?

What is it about PWI that attracts so many of the asinine to its shores?[/quote]

It’s like a train wreck.We know we shouldn’t look…but we do.

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[quote]Valor wrote:

[quote]joebassin wrote:
The Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict, established by the UN Human Rights Council, found that both parties to the conflict were responsible for serious violations of international human rights and humanitarian law, and that they committed war crimes and possibly crimes against humanity.

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/09/16/israelgaza-implement-goldstone-recommendations-gaza

[/quote]
UN Human rightc council? ROFLMAO…take a look at the current members. Fuck them.[/quote]

Can’t you stand the fact?

In regard to the United Nations Human Rights Council, the position of the United States is: "human rights have been a cornerstone of American values since the country’s birth and the United States is committed to support the work of the UN Commission in promoting the principles embodied in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
US Department of State

The US is one of the current member.

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As much as you guys would love to split any criticism of Israel with Egypt, the Egyptians have lifted their side of the blockade. Some of their parliament members have even gone as far as to say they “broke” it and have even scheduled to meet with members of Hamas in Gaza.

Not to mention it wasn’t the Egyptians who boarded the ships with paintball guns and “varmit rounds” yet KILLED people in “self-defense.” Here’s an idea for the Israelis, don’t board someone else’s ships you’re not invited to and then claim self-defense.

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[quote]Levantine wrote:

Not to mention it wasn’t the Egyptians who boarded the ships with paintball guns and “varmit rounds” yet KILLED people in “self-defense.” Here’s an idea for the Israelis, don’t board someone else’s ships you’re not invited to and then claim self-defense.

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This is the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever read. You really can’t be serious.

They have to be invited to stop foreign ships from interfering with defensive military operations? Since when must one ask for permission to defend themselves?

Alfi, your post is typical for you: total bullshit. Is holocaust denial cool in Finland?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Levantine wrote:
As much as you guys would love to split any criticism of Israel with Egypt, the Egyptians have lifted their side of the blockade. Some of their parliament members have even gone as far as to say they “broke” it and have even scheduled to meet with members of Hamas in Gaza.

Not to mention it wasn’t the Egyptians who boarded the ships with paintball guns and “varmit rounds” yet KILLED people in “self-defense.” Here’s an idea for the Israelis, don’t board someone else’s ships you’re not invited to and then claim self-defense.

[/quote]Interesting that someone who purports to be from the Levant has conceded that Egypt indeed participated in the blockade. Your fingers must be aching from typing that confession.
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Not at all. Egypt has long held ties with Israel–purely for monetary benefit.

When Washington economist Thomas Stauffer tallied up Dollars sent to Israel at 1.7 trillion, it placed pro-Israeli groups like CAMERA on the defense. You see, Stauffer added American financial aid sent to Arab nations on Israel’s tab. Why? Because the only reason nations like Egypt get financial aid from the United States in the first place is so they do not attack Israel. It is no more than a forged peace based on American taxpayer money. Yet, Zionists will always mention Egypt like it is some type of steadfast ally to Israel. Get a clue, the only reason Egypt has not voided its peace treaty with Israel in the same fashion Israel violates UN resolutions in bulk is solely for money. Egyptians in mass have always been far more sympathetic to the Palestinians than to the Israelis.

“[W]e should not endorse the treaty as a model, is that at the time the peace was being negotiated at Camp David the United States committed itself to an enormous financial aid package to both Egypt and Israel in exchange for their accession to the treaty. Over the past thirty years, the United States taxpayer has transferred to - some might say “bribed” - Israel and Egypt well over 100 billion dollars as a payoff for their leaders’ signature on the treaty.” - Congressman Ron Paul

When nations like Lebanon and Turkey protest Israel, it is done democratically and with free will. When nations like Egypt agree with Israel, its because their leaders are chasing the carrot. Simple as that.

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[quote]makkun wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
It literally pained me to read the Alf post.

Why do I do this?

What is it about PWI that attracts so many of the asinine to its shores?[/quote]

Me too, and I am German. I can just reiterate, as I have in many threads before, that the holocaust is a well documented fact - and that there’s no law in Germany forbidding any form of proper research into it. There is a law against using distorted facts about it for the purpose of inciting racial hatred and dishonouring its victims. I know that’s debatable from a purist free speech perspective - but there’s no jewish (or lizard people, or whoever else) conspiracy behind it.

It’s posts like Alffi’s which make me sometimes ashamed of T-Nation.

Makkun[/quote]
A simple Wikipedia (encyclopedia founded by jews) search would cast doubt on your assertion.
“Holocaust denial consists of claims that the genocide of Jews during World War IIâ??usually referred to as the Holocaust[1]â??did not occur at all, or that it did not happen in the manner or to the extent historically recognized.”
That’s from the Wiki article on holocaust denial. It then desperately goes on to try to link holocaust deniers to controversial political factions which is irrelevant as far as the truth of their statements is concerned. You can then look up the article on the list of countries which prohibit perceived holocaust denial.

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[quote]Alffi wrote:

[quote]makkun wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
It literally pained me to read the Alf post.

Why do I do this?

What is it about PWI that attracts so many of the asinine to its shores?[/quote]

Me too, and I am German. I can just reiterate, as I have in many threads before, that the holocaust is a well documented fact - and that there’s no law in Germany forbidding any form of proper research into it. There is a law against using distorted facts about it for the purpose of inciting racial hatred and dishonouring its victims. I know that’s debatable from a purist free speech perspective - but there’s no jewish (or lizard people, or whoever else) conspiracy behind it.

It’s posts like Alffi’s which make me sometimes ashamed of T-Nation.

Makkun[/quote]
A simple Wikipedia (encyclopedia founded by jews) search would cast doubt on your assertion.
“Holocaust denial consists of claims that the genocide of Jews during World War IIÃ?¢??usually referred to as the Holocaust[1]Ã?¢??did not occur at all, or that it did not happen in the manner or to the extent historically recognized.”
That’s from the Wiki article on holocaust denial. It then desperately goes on to try to link holocaust deniers to controversial political factions which is irrelevant as far as the truth of their statements is concerned. You can then look up the article on the list of countries which prohibit perceived holocaust denial.[/quote]

Please,point out the truth in their statements.The links of Holocaust deniers to extremist groups is a fact,because they are batshit fucking crazy revisionists with warped agendas.If it sounds like a duck and quacks like a duck…

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]Alffi wrote:

[quote]makkun wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
It literally pained me to read the Alf post.

Why do I do this?

What is it about PWI that attracts so many of the asinine to its shores?[/quote]

Me too, and I am German. I can just reiterate, as I have in many threads before, that the holocaust is a well documented fact - and that there’s no law in Germany forbidding any form of proper research into it. There is a law against using distorted facts about it for the purpose of inciting racial hatred and dishonouring its victims. I know that’s debatable from a purist free speech perspective - but there’s no jewish (or lizard people, or whoever else) conspiracy behind it.

It’s posts like Alffi’s which make me sometimes ashamed of T-Nation.

Makkun[/quote]
A simple Wikipedia (encyclopedia founded by jews) search would cast doubt on your assertion.
“Holocaust denial consists of claims that the genocide of Jews during World War IIÃ??Ã?¢??usually referred to as the Holocaust[1]Ã??Ã?¢??did not occur at all, or that it did not happen in the manner or to the extent historically recognized.”
That’s from the Wiki article on holocaust denial. It then desperately goes on to try to link holocaust deniers to controversial political factions which is irrelevant as far as the truth of their statements is concerned. You can then look up the article on the list of countries which prohibit perceived holocaust denial.[/quote]

Please,point out the truth in their statements.The links of Holocaust deniers to extremist groups is a fact,because they are batshit fucking crazy revisionists with warped agendas.If it sounds like a duck and quacks like a duck…[/quote]

This discussion has been tainted by the status quo so severely that it’s extremely difficult to come out without having someone or something linked to perceived extremism, racism, antisemitism, supremacism or whatever. Your (apparent) side in this issue has assumed the power to define what exactly counts as one or more of the above things.

If we want to reach, then we can probably link anyone as being a neo-nazi or whatever because they addressed that community some time in their lives. In a similar vein, I can claim that anybody involved in perceived antiracism, for example, has connections to non-white supremacism and anti-white organizations. That does not mean that people involved in antiracism, holocaust enforcion (the opposite of holocaust denial), semitic supremacism, anti-white’ism or whatever do not have a clue about anything or that all they say is wrong.

Back before this was such taboo, governments made estimates of holocaust victims amounting to one million and even today, numbers regarding deaths in this or that area are being radically revised but the establishment does not persecute itself for doing that.

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[quote]Alffi wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]Alffi wrote:

[quote]makkun wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
It literally pained me to read the Alf post.

Why do I do this?

What is it about PWI that attracts so many of the asinine to its shores?[/quote]

Me too, and I am German. I can just reiterate, as I have in many threads before, that the holocaust is a well documented fact - and that there’s no law in Germany forbidding any form of proper research into it. There is a law against using distorted facts about it for the purpose of inciting racial hatred and dishonouring its victims. I know that’s debatable from a purist free speech perspective - but there’s no jewish (or lizard people, or whoever else) conspiracy behind it.

It’s posts like Alffi’s which make me sometimes ashamed of T-Nation.

Makkun[/quote]
A simple Wikipedia (encyclopedia founded by jews) search would cast doubt on your assertion.
“Holocaust denial consists of claims that the genocide of Jews during World War IIÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??usually referred to as the Holocaust[1]Ã???Ã??Ã?¢??did not occur at all, or that it did not happen in the manner or to the extent historically recognized.”
That’s from the Wiki article on holocaust denial. It then desperately goes on to try to link holocaust deniers to controversial political factions which is irrelevant as far as the truth of their statements is concerned. You can then look up the article on the list of countries which prohibit perceived holocaust denial.[/quote]

Please,point out the truth in their statements.The links of Holocaust deniers to extremist groups is a fact,because they are batshit fucking crazy revisionists with warped agendas.If it sounds like a duck and quacks like a duck…[/quote]

This discussion has been tainted by the status quo so severely that it’s extremely difficult to come out without having someone or something linked to perceived extremism, racism, antisemitism, supremacism or whatever. Your (apparent) side in this issue has assumed the power to define what exactly counts as one or more of the above things.

If we want to reach, then we can probably link anyone as being a neo-nazi or whatever because they addressed that community some time in their lives. In a similar vein, I can claim that anybody involved in perceived antiracism, for example, has connections to non-white supremacism and anti-white organizations. That does not mean that people involved in antiracism, holocaust enforcion (the opposite of holocaust denial), semitic supremacism, anti-white’ism or whatever do not have a clue about anything or that all they say is wrong.

Back before this was such taboo, governments made estimates of holocaust victims amounting to one million and even today, numbers regarding deaths in this or that area are being radically revised but the establishment does not persecute itself for doing that. [/quote]

The facts are the facts,and I have never read anything from Holocaust deniers that stands up to scrutiny or hasn’t been thoroughly debunked to my complete and utter satisfaction.Just because you want it to be something else,or have an agenda that is not supported by the facts,does not negate the reality of what happened.Do you also debate the numbers of Russians killed on the Eastern front?Or is revisionism just limited to the ‘Jewish problem’?Or do you agree with the deniers that there never was a ‘Jewish problem’ in Nazi eyes?Please,point me to ‘government estimates’ that existed reducing numbers to 1 million.

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[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

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So, tell me. Is “Alffi” the Finnish diminutive of “imbecile?”
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Question answered.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
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The facts are the facts,and I have never read anything from Holocaust deniers that stands up to scrutiny or hasn’t been thoroughly debunked to my complete and utter satisfaction.Just because you want it to be something else,or have an agenda that is not supported by the facts,does not negate the reality of what happened.Do you also debate the numbers of Russians killed on the Eastern front?Or is revisionism just limited to the ‘Jewish problem’?Or do you agree with the deniers that there never was a ‘Jewish problem’ in Nazi eyes?Please,point me to ‘government estimates’ that existed reducing numbers to 1 million.[/quote]

I don’t think it’s necessary to really engage in a discussion here - the more you try to argue recognised sources, the more you’ll encounter the underlying ugliness. Alffi’s views are clinging to the usual myths which are part of the Holocaust denial scene (this isn’t unfortunately my first encounter with that here on T-Nation). And - just for the purpose of this thread - they are fully off topic now. I will not honour his posts with replies - don’t feed the trolls.

Makkun

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Anti-semites will never believe. It’s in their nature. I think they have small penises and just can’t cope.

On a lighter note, watch “we con the world” a video with 3-4 million hits:

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=XdaGaGkU4z

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[…]

On a lighter note, watch “we con the world” a video with 3-4 million hits:

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=XdaGaGkU4z[/quote]

I think that making and distributing (as the Israeli government did EDIT:, distribute, that is /EDIT) a spoof song about an incident in which people died quite despicable - and revealing. Another low.

Makkun

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The “Israeli Government” had nothing to do with this; mocking terrorists is a private concern.

But what does one expect from the English? The only men among you are in the English Defence League.

I drank some good beer with some EDL guys I met playing rugby. A kippah-wearing, bearded, Jewish guy.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
The “Israeli Government” had nothing to do with this; mocking terrorists is a private concern.

But what does one expect from the English? The only men among you are in the English Defence League.

I drank some good beer with some EDL guys I met playing rugby. A kippah-wearing, bearded, Jewish guy.[/quote]

The Israeli government released this in lieu of actual footage of the massacre when it first happened. A total fuck up no matter how you look at it and a good indication of where the Israeli government stands.

And I love how you resort to name calling when somebody makes a valid point. People getting killed is not something that is funny.

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sorry but the video was created by an Israeli news site and released by them on you-tube - not an IDF or Israeli Government production or release . . .

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[quote]Charlemagne wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
The “Israeli Government” had nothing to do with this; mocking terrorists is a private concern.

But what does one expect from the English? The only men among you are in the English Defence League.

I drank some good beer with some EDL guys I met playing rugby. A kippah-wearing, bearded, Jewish guy.[/quote]

The Israeli government released this in lieu of actual footage of the massacre when it first happened. A total fuck up no matter how you look at it and a good indication of where the Israeli government stands.

And I love how you resort to name calling when somebody makes a valid point. People getting killed is not something that is funny.

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I am sorry if this comes across as putting words into your mouth, that is not my intentions. I am trying to make a point. It is bad for Israelis to make light of a situation on the internet, but it is alright for the Muslim extremeists to show a decapitation of a journalist on the internet? I would take the first over the second any day.