[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Lots of racist, redneck fucks in here. [/quote]
Hey now, I’m not a redneck.
The photo manipulation to portray the “activists” in a less harsh light was an accident… that they repeated several times.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The photo manipulation to portray the “activists” in a less harsh light was an accident… that they repeated several times.
No surprises there. You would think that with how politically and emotionally charged these incidents become, they would try their best to atleast pretend they are impartial. I guess shock-value sells though.
A group of Jewish activists in Germany are preparing to send an aid ship to the Gaza Strip, which has been under an Israeli-imposed blockade for three years.
The group, which is the German branch of the European Jews for a Just Peace, plans to send the aid ship by the end of July.
“We want to break the Gaza occupation and end the occupation of the West Bank as well… we as Jews want to bring the Palestinians something other than bombs,” Kate Katzenstein-Leiterer, a member of the executive committee of the group, said on Thursday.
[quote]weby wrote:
A group of Jewish activists in Germany are preparing to send an aid ship to the Gaza Strip, which has been under an Israeli-imposed blockade for three years.
The group, which is the German branch of the European Jews for a Just Peace, plans to send the aid ship by the end of July.
“We want to break the Gaza occupation and end the occupation of the West Bank as well… we as Jews want to bring the Palestinians something other than bombs,” Kate Katzenstein-Leiterer, a member of the executive committee of the group, said on Thursday.[/quote]
isn’t it great that people have the freedom to have their own opinions?
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
[quote]makkun wrote:
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
[quote]weby wrote:
You have the right to question it all you like but it will not change the facts- the autopsy report show that they were shot execution style some had 5/6 bullets in their heads. [/quote]
Source documents or it didn’t happen = tired of all of the pretentious quoting on here that always turns out to be nothing but hype and misinformation.
Make claim? then back it up . . .
oh, and on a side note - huge difference between marksmanship and an execution.
I can hit 2 inch groups at 25 yards, any competent marksman could[/quote]
The articles below maps out the injuries of the activists killed:
Makkun
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Which indicate a variety of wounds as one would expect as wel as a few head shots - also as one would suspect, but no one with 5/6 bullets in their head and no one shot execution style (kneeled abd restrained with downward angled gunshot wound to back of head)
wanna redo?[/quote]
Well it is indicated that people were shot in the back of the head which sounds like execution. Then there’s this turkish-american (dual citizen) boy, age 19, who had FOUR bullets in the head.
Just one source, there are others saying the same thing.
I admittedly don’t know much of jack about firefighting but I don’t know how the pro-Israel side could contort out of that one.
In addition, the thing about telling israelis to go back to Auschwitz was supposedly a message picked up from another ship and mistakenly or intentionally misidentified as coming from the one they boarded. In reference to what DoubleDuce said.
Let’s inject a little truth here.
- First, the ship was empty of humanitarian aide. Just a set up.
- There is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza:
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Videotaped statements of two Mavi Marmara officers show that preparations for a violent confrontation with IDF forces were put in motion about two hours before the boarding began, when the Israeli Navy hailed the ship and told it to halt.
http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/html/hamas_e112.htm
- The IDF used paintball guns, only moving to side-arms when confronted — and they were attacked with metal polls and knives:
Sorry, got cut off:
- The IHH that set up the stunt from Turkey is a known terrorist support group.
- The “multiple rounds” are the result of close-combat and the use by the IDF of “varmit rounds” — a less lethal round called “shot shell” – used for killing squirrels and the like. Little pellets, not designed to kill or “Magsafe” used because they don’t penetrate and kill someone by passing through the target.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Let’s inject a little truth here.
- First, the ship was empty of humanitarian aide. Just a set up.
- There is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza:
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Videotaped statements of two Mavi Marmara officers show that preparations for a violent confrontation with IDF forces were put in motion about two hours before the boarding began, when the Israeli Navy hailed the ship and told it to halt.
http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/html/hamas_e112.htm
- The IDF used paintball guns, only moving to side-arms when confronted — and they were attacked with metal polls and knives:
- [/quote]
Your sources look pretty biased.
It is apparently undisputed and has long been known that the cargo of the ship contained a lot of what your link cited as not being humanitarian aid in one sense, the construction materials at least. Apparently Israel actively blocks that kind of shipments on the basis that it could be used for military purposes. A larger international community challenges the legitimacy of Israel’s reasoning.
So the aid was apparently at least potentially humanitarian, just not the kind that Israel takes very kindly to.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
Your sources look pretty biased.
It is apparently undisputed and has long been known that the cargo of the ship contained a lot of what your link cited as not being humanitarian aid in one sense, the construction materials at least. Apparently Israel actively blocks that kind of shipments on the basis that it could be used for military purposes. A larger international community challenges the legitimacy of Israel’s reasoning.
So the aid was apparently at least potentially humanitarian, just not the kind that Israel takes very kindly to.[/quote]
Alffi, you do realize, don’t you that Egypt also controls access for Gaza and ANYTHING that Egypt will allow though can easily be transported into Gaza? Why are you focused on Israel’s blockade to the exclusion of Egypt’s?
I’m certainly glad for this crisis. There’s so many hidden anti-semites coming out of the closet.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
It is apparently undisputed and has long been known that the cargo of the ship contained a lot of what your link cited as not being humanitarian aid in one sense, the construction materials at least. Apparently Israel actively blocks that kind of shipments on the basis that it could be used for military purposes. A larger international community challenges the legitimacy of Israel’s reasoning.
So the aid was apparently at least potentially humanitarian, just not the kind that Israel takes very kindly to.[/quote]
Actually, Israel unloaded all the crap and offerred to truck free to Gaza, but Hamas refused it.
We all know this had ZERO to do with aid. The arabs want open borders so they can more easily get weapons and attack Israel.
That’s it.
Countries have the right to do unpleasant things to defend themselves. Your country allied itself with Nazi Germany to defend itself against Stalin. War makes for unpleasant choices.
I do find it curious why the whole world cares about this. North Korea sank a ship and killed hundreds of sailors. I doubt there’s one article about that for every 100 anti-Israel screed.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Alffi wrote:
It is apparently undisputed and has long been known that the cargo of the ship contained a lot of what your link cited as not being humanitarian aid in one sense, the construction materials at least. Apparently Israel actively blocks that kind of shipments on the basis that it could be used for military purposes. A larger international community challenges the legitimacy of Israel’s reasoning.
So the aid was apparently at least potentially humanitarian, just not the kind that Israel takes very kindly to.[/quote]
Actually, Israel unloaded all the crap and offerred to truck free to Gaza, but Hamas refused it.
We all know this had ZERO to do with aid. The arabs want open borders so they can more easily get weapons and attack Israel.
That’s it.
Countries have the right to do unpleasant things to defend themselves. Your country allied itself with Nazi Germany to defend itself against Stalin. War makes for unpleasant choices.
I do find it curious why the whole world cares about this. North Korea sank a ship and killed hundreds of sailors. I doubt there’s one article about that for every 100 anti-Israel screed.[/quote]
OK. I have no dog in this fight so I’m not going to challenge you on the whole ship thing.
I think the reason the world knows about this that much is because of jewish power. The jews deem Israel special so instead of calling off the fight on their own part and dispersing somewhere, they hold on to Israel and keep fighting the palestinians and assorted arabs. I’m not positive you can compare this to Finland’s situation in WWII where, had Finland succumbed to Soviet Union, their quality of life would have reduced considerably as evidenced in other soviet satellite states. The finns had held their land steady for quite the while and their finnishness was closely associated with geography. The jews were dwellers who still choose to live away from Israel for most part while holding on to their identity and I suppose I can see that; they don’t need to hang from Israel.
Having the story out in itself is not necessarily in jewish interests but the hot reactions it has caused in surrounding states are testament to jewish power. If Israel was insignificant, the arab press would hardly mind pressing their version of propaganda onto the wider world. Admittedly a lot of european press about the event has been critical of Israel but I believe the same critics would be scared shitless of being called anti-semitic and quickly make some savory back-up reference to jews being historically persecuted the worst.
I’m not going to delve into whether the arabs are right or malicious and insane. They have a dislike of jews either way and that’s enough to know. Americans know more about Israel than the rest of the ‘true’ Europe combined. They seem to think they have to defend Israel (as opposed to any other country that might be in collision with Israel) although it seems unclear whether they benefit from doing so in any way.
The fact that we think so lowly of Nazi Germany is also an example of jewish power. Nazi Germany was a state with racial doctrines. Israel is a state based on racial doctrines. Even back in the 19th century, some german thinkers lamented that german society was based on romantic egalitarianism while jews were fiercely self-concious about their race, occupying power and that it was already too late for Germany. A major reason we think nazis were really bad is because of the holocaust. A major reason we will keep thinking so is because jewish interests have made it illegal or extremely difficult to research the truth about the holocaust. I also do not see much evidence of Israel or the world jewry crediting the USA or the allies over the perceived liberation of jews but maybe it’s just me.
I hope I don’t come off as passionate regarding this issue because I’m really just a neutral observer.
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
[quote]Alffi wrote:
Your sources look pretty biased.
It is apparently undisputed and has long been known that the cargo of the ship contained a lot of what your link cited as not being humanitarian aid in one sense, the construction materials at least. Apparently Israel actively blocks that kind of shipments on the basis that it could be used for military purposes. A larger international community challenges the legitimacy of Israel’s reasoning.
So the aid was apparently at least potentially humanitarian, just not the kind that Israel takes very kindly to.[/quote]
Alffi, you do realize, don’t you that Egypt also controls access for Gaza and ANYTHING that Egypt will allow though can easily be transported into Gaza? Why are you focused on Israel’s blockade to the exclusion of Egypt’s?[/quote]
I’m not disputing that but I acknowledge your point.
On a different note, here’s a conspiracy take on the boarding/fight footage.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
[quote]Alffi wrote:
Your sources look pretty biased.
It is apparently undisputed and has long been known that the cargo of the ship contained a lot of what your link cited as not being humanitarian aid in one sense, the construction materials at least. Apparently Israel actively blocks that kind of shipments on the basis that it could be used for military purposes. A larger international community challenges the legitimacy of Israel’s reasoning.
So the aid was apparently at least potentially humanitarian, just not the kind that Israel takes very kindly to.[/quote]
Alffi, you do realize, don’t you that Egypt also controls access for Gaza and ANYTHING that Egypt will allow though can easily be transported into Gaza? Why are you focused on Israel’s blockade to the exclusion of Egypt’s?[/quote]
I’m not disputing that but I acknowledge your point.
On a different note, here’s a conspiracy take on the boarding/fight footage.
Its night-vision photography. A painted name will not show up in night-vision. (No spectral difference)
So, tell me. Is “Alffi” the Finnish diminutive of “imbecile?”
The Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict, established by the UN Human Rights Council, found that both parties to the conflict were responsible for serious violations of international human rights and humanitarian law, and that they committed war crimes and possibly crimes against humanity.
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/09/16/israelgaza-implement-goldstone-recommendations-gaza