[quote]Levantine wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]weby wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Fact is, if the arabs put down their weapons tomorrow, there would be peace.
If the Israelis (and I am Israeli, living in the USA) put down their weapons, they would all be killed.
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This is the truth.[/quote]
Thats bullshit the only way to peace is to free the palestinians and stop building on their land, even the UN says the israeli settlements are illegal, people here talk about the Israeli deaths compare that to the
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First, get the terms right. Everyone outside of the English speaking world knows there is no such thing as a “Palestinian.” That is an Anglized term for “Philistene.” As in Goliath, of David-and-Goliath. The Philistenes were a proto-Greek sea-faring people, probably from Crete. The current occupants of Gaza are arabs, largely from Syria and Jordan. They are not Greek.
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The arabs came in two waves, mostly after Jews starting returning to Israel in the late 1800s — after the pogroms in Czarist Russia. They came because the Jews (eventually under the British mandate) offerred jobs and a nice place to live and be free citizens. Before that, outside of Jerusalem proper, the country was empty. Go read Mark Twain’s “innocents abroad” for example. He gave a first hand account of an empty, desolate, country.
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While we’re on the topic, you know the gold domed mosque stuck on the Temple Mount? Al-Asqa? You know, the mosque not mentioned in the koran, but now claimed to be the mosque from where Mohammed flew on his winged horse? It was built some years AFTER Mohammed died. That little lie is somehow swallowed by Western Media too lazy to check — and a source of much amusement to my muslim friends who laugh at how silly the Western media is. (The lie was created by Yasser Arafat, BTW, to create a religious claim.)
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On this topic of “arab land” (and, in particular, East Jerusalem/Gaza, which is the topic at hand). Well, it wasn’t “arab land” until 1948 when Jordan invaded, killed the Jews there, and then kicked out all the poor arabs from its country to colonize the now-empty houses. Before that, it was nicely mixed between Christian (largely Eqyptian), Druze, Muslim Arabs, and Hasidic Jewish families, and had been for 2000 years.
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Israel is not just Jewish. About 20% of the population is arab. They vote, hold citizenship, pay taxes, live on welfare, get health care, and serve in the military, just like everyone else. Indeed, until the USA liberated Iraq, the only country where arabs lived like that was Israel.[/quote]
If there is no such thing as a Palestinian then let the countless thousands that Israel has killed over the decades be known simply as “human beings.” If you are trying to refute the claim of the Palestinians-- or to those human beings who are not Jewish, as I am sure you call them-- to their land, then bring into question the claim of the modern Israelis-- the Ashkenazi Jews who are from Europe rather than anywhere in the Middle East and the Khazarian Jews who are not even Semites let alone the descendants of the ancient Israelites. But if you do not want to get into the demographics of Israel then simply take a look at its population. In 1948 (Israel’s official year of independence), only 35% of the Jews in Israel were born in it. Today, a third of the Jews in Israel were born in another country. Sixty-two years after your country’s independence and Jewish immigrants still play a lead role in Israel’s growing population.
Also, speaking of waves, does the Hebrew word “aliyah” mean anything to you? To the inhabitants of Palestine and in the context of Zionism, it meant a series of massive waves of Jewish immigrants coming into Palestine from all over the world (as in, not just Czarist Russia). During the days of the British mandate, the Palestinians protested in bulk to try to stop or at least minimize these waves. Eventually, the British gave in to these protests and placed a quota on Jewish immigrants. For this, Jewish terrorist groups like the Irgun and the Lehi who had been infamous for burning entire non-Jewish villages to the ground, started to attack the very British peacekeepers and officials who had done so much to try to create a Jewish homeland for them (think Balfour Declaration). Not that the British strictly secured the borders or made it difficult for Jews to continue to pour into Palestine illegally, as even during the immigration ban, more than a hundred thousand Jews found their way to the holy land.[/quote]
The entire argument has to who “owns” that land is so beside the point that it simply does not matter.
Israel owns that land until someone takes it from them. End of Story.
Furthermore I would care about the plight of the poor “Palestinians” if they had any intent to live in peace and if their own people, namely Jordan, Syria, and Egypt, where not using them as pawns to further aggression towards Israel.
Since I believe in the right of self-defense and since I believe the long term goals of the U.S. are more closely linked with Israel then with any Arab-muslim population… I say: Game fucking on.
