There seems to be a parallel here:
1943 Warsaw Ghetto: Nazi thugs surround the starving, ill community, cutting them off from aid, waiting for them to die or act as laves.
2010 Gaza: Israeli thugs surround the starving , ill community, cutting them off from aid, waiting for them to die or act as slaves.
Israel you have become what you hate most. And yes your actions really are bordering on genocide
LOL
There is video. These are lies.
And how could a woman aware that the voyage would be dangerous, bring her baby, and the then damn others for things happening with a baby in the area.
[quote]weby wrote:
There seems to be a parallel here:
1943 Warsaw Ghetto: Nazi thugs surround the starving, ill community, cutting them off from aid, waiting for them to die or act as laves.
2010 Gaza: Israeli thugs surround the starving , ill community, cutting them off from aid, waiting for them to die or act as slaves.
Israel you have become what you hate most. And yes your actions really are bordering on genocide[/quote]
If you knew anything you’d know israel offered to peacfully deliver the aid. and that the aid has already been shipped to gaza. LOL
Geeze. you claiming the Israelis cast spells on the boats turning passengers into cockroaches and then spraying them with raid would be more convincing.
[quote]weby wrote:
There seems to be a parallel here:
1943 Warsaw Ghetto: Nazi thugs surround the starving, ill community, cutting them off from aid, waiting for them to die or act as laves.
2010 Gaza: Israeli thugs surround the starving , ill community, cutting them off from aid, waiting for them to die or act as slaves.
Israel you have become what you hate most. And yes your actions really are bordering on genocide[/quote]
Except of course Israel allows thousands of tons of food into Gaza. You really have no idea what the Warsaw ghetto was like if you think Gaza compares.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Geeze. you claiming the Israelis cast spells on the boats turning passengers into cockroaches and then spraying them with raid would be more convincing.[/quote]
The scariest part is I have no doubt he believes everything he is saying.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
LOL
There is video. These are lies.
And how could a woman aware that the voyage would be dangerous, bring her baby, and the then damn others for things happening with a baby in the area.[/quote]
She was also locked up in her cabin. How could she see what was going on?
I personally think Israel was justified…just because I hate Muslim thugs. BUT, if Israel had waited until the “peace activists” had entered Israeli waters, then they probably could’ve sank the ships and anybody with common sense would support them.
another interesting video. But don’t let this make you not believe the account of lying criminals trying to run a blockade.
[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
The bottom line is this:
Israel is going to find it increasingly difficult to maintain its current political positions (foreign policy, domestic policy, economic policy, nuclear policy) within the world community.
The United States is a crumbling empire and the European Union is coming apart at the seams. Within the near future, Israel will not be able to count on as much political, financial or military backing from either of these because they will simply not be able to afford to. Americans have enough problems, we don’t need to be worrying about another country’s foreign policy concerns. I’m sorry, but Israeli and American interests are not one in the same.
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This thread should have ended here.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
The bottom line is this:
Israel is going to find it increasingly difficult to maintain its current political positions (foreign policy, domestic policy, economic policy, nuclear policy) within the world community.
The United States is a crumbling empire and the European Union is coming apart at the seams. Within the near future, Israel will not be able to count on as much political, financial or military backing from either of these because they will simply not be able to afford to. Americans have enough problems, we don’t need to be worrying about another country’s foreign policy concerns. I’m sorry, but Israeli and American interests are not one in the same.
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This thread should have ended here.
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I disagree.
If anything Israel’s existence keeps the arab states off-balance. They’re tempermental, confrontational, and usually in the right. They’re our first line of defense against Iran. An early-warning system, if you will. That’s worth subsidizing.
[quote]Otep wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
The bottom line is this:
Israel is going to find it increasingly difficult to maintain its current political positions (foreign policy, domestic policy, economic policy, nuclear policy) within the world community.
The United States is a crumbling empire and the European Union is coming apart at the seams. Within the near future, Israel will not be able to count on as much political, financial or military backing from either of these because they will simply not be able to afford to. Americans have enough problems, we don’t need to be worrying about another country’s foreign policy concerns. I’m sorry, but Israeli and American interests are not one in the same.
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This thread should have ended here.
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I disagree.
If anything Israel’s existence keeps the arab states off-balance. They’re tempermental, confrontational, and usually in the right. They’re our first line of defense against Iran. An early-warning system, if you will. That’s worth subsidizing.[/quote]
I’m with you on this. They are essentially on the front lines. Without Israel battling for existence, the people they are fighting would be seeking other targets.
[quote]Otep wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
The bottom line is this:
Israel is going to find it increasingly difficult to maintain its current political positions (foreign policy, domestic policy, economic policy, nuclear policy) within the world community.
The United States is a crumbling empire and the European Union is coming apart at the seams. Within the near future, Israel will not be able to count on as much political, financial or military backing from either of these because they will simply not be able to afford to. Americans have enough problems, we don’t need to be worrying about another country’s foreign policy concerns. I’m sorry, but Israeli and American interests are not one in the same.
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This thread should have ended here.
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I disagree.
If anything Israel’s existence keeps the arab states off-balance. They’re tempermental, confrontational, and usually in the right. They’re our first line of defense against Iran. An early-warning system, if you will. That’s worth subsidizing.[/quote]
Pretty interesting video on what motivated the 9/11 hijackers.
Then of course there is Bush’s famous line as to why they did it: “they attacked us because they hate our freedom and liberty”. Yeah, sure, that was it. 9/11 had absolutely nothing to do with American foreign policy in the Middle East for the last 40 years. 9/11 had nothing to do with massive American support for Israel since its inception.
If you invade other countries, depose their leaders, and as a result many people die, there is going to be blow back. Right or wrong, however you want to see it, people are going to be upset and seek revenge. That is just human nature.
Now if you want to continue to get involved in more wars, have more Americans die, spend more money we don’t have, have more innocent civilians caught in the crossfire, and continue to blindly support Israel regardless of any of its policies that is fine. But don’t be surprised when the terrorists take the fight to us and many Americans die, because it is the price we are going to have to pay eventually. Our government isn’t going to save anybody.
[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
[quote]Otep wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
The bottom line is this:
Israel is going to find it increasingly difficult to maintain its current political positions (foreign policy, domestic policy, economic policy, nuclear policy) within the world community.
The United States is a crumbling empire and the European Union is coming apart at the seams. Within the near future, Israel will not be able to count on as much political, financial or military backing from either of these because they will simply not be able to afford to. Americans have enough problems, we don’t need to be worrying about another country’s foreign policy concerns. I’m sorry, but Israeli and American interests are not one in the same.
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This thread should have ended here.
[/quote]
I disagree.
If anything Israel’s existence keeps the arab states off-balance. They’re tempermental, confrontational, and usually in the right. They’re our first line of defense against Iran. An early-warning system, if you will. That’s worth subsidizing.[/quote]
Pretty interesting video on what motivated the 9/11 hijackers.
Then of course there is Bush’s famous line as to why they did it: “they attacked us because they hate our freedom and liberty”. Yeah, sure, that was it. 9/11 had absolutely nothing to do with American foreign policy in the Middle East for the last 40 years. 9/11 had nothing to do with massive American support for Israel since its inception.
If you invade other countries, depose their leaders, and as a result many people die, there is going to be blow back. Right or wrong, however you want to see it, people are going to be upset and seek revenge. That is just human nature.
Now if you want to continue to get involved in more wars, have more Americans die, spend more money we don’t have, have more innocent civilians caught in the crossfire, and continue to blindly support Israel regardless of any of its policies that is fine. But don’t be surprised when the terrorists take the fight to us and many Americans die, because it is the price we are going to have to pay eventually. Our government isn’t going to save anybody. [/quote]
LOL @ wanting to do politically and militarily what terrorists want to keep them from being mad at us.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
[quote]Otep wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
The bottom line is this:
Israel is going to find it increasingly difficult to maintain its current political positions (foreign policy, domestic policy, economic policy, nuclear policy) within the world community.
The United States is a crumbling empire and the European Union is coming apart at the seams. Within the near future, Israel will not be able to count on as much political, financial or military backing from either of these because they will simply not be able to afford to. Americans have enough problems, we don’t need to be worrying about another country’s foreign policy concerns. I’m sorry, but Israeli and American interests are not one in the same.
[/quote]
This thread should have ended here.
[/quote]
I disagree.
If anything Israel’s existence keeps the arab states off-balance. They’re tempermental, confrontational, and usually in the right. They’re our first line of defense against Iran. An early-warning system, if you will. That’s worth subsidizing.[/quote]
Pretty interesting video on what motivated the 9/11 hijackers.
Then of course there is Bush’s famous line as to why they did it: “they attacked us because they hate our freedom and liberty”. Yeah, sure, that was it. 9/11 had absolutely nothing to do with American foreign policy in the Middle East for the last 40 years. 9/11 had nothing to do with massive American support for Israel since its inception.
If you invade other countries, depose their leaders, and as a result many people die, there is going to be blow back. Right or wrong, however you want to see it, people are going to be upset and seek revenge. That is just human nature.
Now if you want to continue to get involved in more wars, have more Americans die, spend more money we don’t have, have more innocent civilians caught in the crossfire, and continue to blindly support Israel regardless of any of its policies that is fine. But don’t be surprised when the terrorists take the fight to us and many Americans die, because it is the price we are going to have to pay eventually. Our government isn’t going to save anybody. [/quote]
LOL @ wanting to do politically and militarily what terrorists want to keep them from being mad at us. [/quote]
???
I’m not sure how you got his out of Charlemagne’s post.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
???
I’m not sure how you got his out of Charlemagne’s post.[/quote]
I had edited that post to include:
If they are against opressive regiems why not attack the likes of ahmadinejad or saddam?
Answer: because it isn’t about freedom it’s about killing infidels.
Maybe it will show back up.
Anyways, he is talking about basing foreign policy and going to war on trying to not upset radical Muslims. My point is that us not being an Islamic nation already pisses them off.
Not to mention the fact that I personally support Israel because they are on the right side. It’s that simple, people will try to hurt you for doing the right thing. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do the right thing.
[quote]Otep wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
The bottom line is this:
Israel is going to find it increasingly difficult to maintain its current political positions (foreign policy, domestic policy, economic policy, nuclear policy) within the world community.
The United States is a crumbling empire and the European Union is coming apart at the seams. Within the near future, Israel will not be able to count on as much political, financial or military backing from either of these because they will simply not be able to afford to. Americans have enough problems, we don’t need to be worrying about another country’s foreign policy concerns. I’m sorry, but Israeli and American interests are not one in the same.
[/quote]
This thread should have ended here.
[/quote]
I disagree.
If anything Israel’s existence keeps the arab states off-balance. They’re tempermental, confrontational, and usually in the right. They’re our first line of defense against Iran. An early-warning system, if you will. That’s worth subsidizing.[/quote]
They are usually not in the right, but that’s not the point.
The United States is a crumbling empire and the European Union is coming apart at the seams. Within the near future, Israel will not be able to count on as much political, financial or military backing from either of these because they will simply not be able to afford to.
I don’t care, for the moment, if you (not necessarily you, Otep) statist war mongers support Israel or not. The point is that it won’t be too long before they will have to fend for themselves as stated by the quoted text. And when this happens, Israel won’t be able to throw their weight around without consequence.
And Otep, I’m not buying Iran as any threat to the US anymore than Iraq was. Trust me, I’ve been over there. These countries are shit holes. Their militaries are garbage. This notion that there are all these boogy men out there that want to destroy “Murika” is nonsense.
And, to be frank, I’m really fucking tired of my tax dollars being given to the government of country halfway around the world. You want to “subsidize” Israel with your money, go for it, just don’t expect me to.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Anyways, he is talking about basing foreign policy and going to war on trying to not upset radical Muslims. My point is that us not being an Islamic nation already pisses them off.
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I don’t blame Muslims for becoming “radical” based on the US governments policies in the ME.
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Not to mention the fact that I personally support Israel because they are on the right side. It’s that simple, people will try to hurt you for doing the right thing. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do the right thing.[/quote]
I don’t support any government, much less one that uses my tax dollars to slaughter its neighbor. And just in case some of you are keeping score, one side uses rocks and straps bombs to themselves, because that’s all they have, and the other side uses high-tech weaponry that your government provides.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
???
I’m not sure how you got his out of Charlemagne’s post.[/quote]
I had edited that post to include:
If they are against opressive regiems why not attack the likes of ahmadinejad or saddam?
Answer: because it isn’t about freedom it’s about killing infidels.
Maybe it will show back up.
Anyways, he is talking about basing foreign policy and going to war on trying to not upset radical Muslims. My point is that us not being an Islamic nation already pisses them off.
Not to mention the fact that I personally support Israel because they are on the right side. It’s that simple, people will try to hurt you for doing the right thing. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do the right thing.[/quote]
I’m talking about following a sensible foreign policy. Remember the famous line by George Washington “Not to get involved in entangling alliances”? Well, we certainly have one with Israel. And what is even more interesting about that is that we DO NOT have any sort of treaty or official document saying that there is in fact an alliance between America and Israel. Because if there was an official treaty Israel would have to disclose it’s full nuclear and military capacity to us and before acting in any sort of military capacity would have to get approval. And we all know that is never going to happen.
And if you support Israel that’s great. Good for you. During Israel’s next war (which is bound to happen sooner rather than later), you should sign up for the Israeli Army, put on your combat gear, grab a rifle and go fight. What you do personally doesn’t matter.
But what America does as a collective does matter. And what is in Israel’s best interest is NOT in America’s best interest. Israel is not the 51st state, though some politicians and lobby groups in America would have you believe that.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
Nothing new here. Israel attacked the US in 1967 by sinking the US Liberty.
Jews and arabs are all semitic people’s just the same. The palestinians are very closely related to israeli jews genetically. Therefore jews have no monopoly on the concept of ‘anti-semitism’. Why do they even have a special racism word for that?
Just screw all semitic people’s equally. Including the jews masquerading as white europeans (not close) with a twist.[/quote]
Please quote the scripture you refer to alffi. Oh wait it doesn’t exist.
You are such a retard. Where do you get your twisted info. Please provide a source for any of this nonsense.
[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
[quote]Eli B wrote:
[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
Score another one for “brave little Israel”, that shining beacon of democracy in the Middle East.
You know, the country that has over 400 nuclear weapons but won’t sign onto the U.N.'s nuclear non-proliferation act. The country that wants to drag America into another war with Iran because they have the audacity to want to have one nuke while Israel has over 400. The country that keeps Palestinians living in an apartheid state. The country that kills innocent women and children in Gaza with tanks, jet fighters and advanced weaponry because the Palestinians launched a mortar at them, and the reason they launched the mortar was because of their inhumane treatment. The country that receives billions of American taxpayer dollars and military equipment annually and Americans receive NOTHING in return. The country that continues to defy international law by continuing to build on Palestinian land.
World opinion is turning against Israel and for good reason. How long will Americans support a Racist, Warmongering, Apartheid-state?
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I cant substantially disagree with anything you’ve said except for your implication that Iran should be allowed to have a nuke.
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I call bullshit, the give Egypt about the same in aid. both in cash and military equipment. I don’t here these leftist/jew haters talk about that. there are arab/muslim mp’s in the Israel knesset. arabs/muslims enjoy more rights in israel. then they do in arab/muslim countries. before you start accusing Israel of aparti. learn the definition of it. I stand with Israel. there is a difference between legitimate criticism of Israel and virulent jew hatred. [/quote]
I was overly diplomatic. I merely meant that criticism of Israel is valid. Not to the same extent as is portrayed here especially with no mention of Hamas and 3,000 rockets launched against civilian targets.