Dude, someone was already stabbed to death today in Baltimore City. Two were stabbed to death yesterday…
Shit happens in this fucked up world because there are fucked up people in it.
Correct, because the government preys on the fearmongering and citizens literally hand over their freedom for security against an illusionary threat.
Since Christian’s are responsible for more killings in America than Muslims, would it make sense to ban them as well?
OK this is just the same argument I’ve had 5 times previously.
Gonna disengage
Mmmkay…
Actually one question that I haven’t bought up before:
Would you be against the immigration of Nazis and white supremacists immigrating to America. Why or why not?
Not personally, no.
How would you know they’re Nazi’s or White Supremacists?
I’m fine with declining both because I don’t see either as a violation of the 1st, which is my main issue with a Muslim ban.
How does banning Muslims violate the 1st but banning Nazi’s doesn’t?
Islam is a religion and Nazism isn’t…
How is that really defined though in a constitutional way (serious question). They both seem to be a system of ideologies to me.
It’s not the content of the ideology, rather it’s just a legal issue?
If a Muslim ban didn’t conflict with the Constitution you wouldn’t be against it?
Islam is an ideology /form of governance that obviously is incompatible with the US Constitution
So is all religion, hence the separation of Church and State.
The 1st amendment both gurantees rights and places limitations on what Congress has the ability to do. It clearly states:
Islam is a religion. I don’t think anyone disputes this… I mean, you could say Christianity is just a system of ideology then, right? I mean, what’s a religion then per the 1st?
For me, pretty much.
I wouldn’t be as adamantly against it, no. However, I still, very deeply, believe in the individual over the collective. As in, I won’t condemn an entire group over the actions of a few. I would need to be convinced Muslims posed a serious and likely existential threat to the United States before I’d be on board.
Exactly.
That’s basically my question though. How does the constitution define “religion?” I feel like every checkbox that MS religion checks is also checked by cult-esque stuff like Nazism (apart from sheer number of members).
Maybe it’s a better question to ask what justifications the govt goes through to warrant tax except status for religions.
Well, it’s certainly an interesting question. I’d have to try and read up on how the founder’s defined religion, but I think, at least generally, there’s a deity or some kind of external power universally present in religion. I’m not aware of this concept being a part of Nazism.
You’d have to look up the 501(c)(_) codes sections on the IRS website…
I mean, this shit concerns me way more than fucking terrorists.
Most white supremacists are peaceful and if you supported their ban you’d be punishing them based on the action of a few
As are most Muslims.
Well, I don’t support their ban. I said I’m fine with it as in I don’t see it as a violation of the law. That’s not the same as support. My rationale would be the same:
