[quote]Chushin wrote:
Your tendency to act like you know all about someone else’s country is both arrogant and irritating.[/quote]
Perhaps it’s a reaction to the arrogant and irritating tendency of so many people on this forum to act like they know all about his religion.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Think about this, the Indians and the Pakistani’s are the same race, the same culture, but it has not stopped the Pakistani’s from building nuclear weapons so they can exterminate members of their own race in India.[quote]
No mate, that’s not right.
Look I’ll admit it’s depressing when neighbours continually threaten to blow each other up. But then again, isn’t that the way it’s always been? Neighbouring countries invariably have more animosity towards each other, precisely because they are neighbours…
That aside, and as lixy mentioned, Pakistan developed the bomb because India got it first. And let’s not paint India with the whole peaced-out maharishi brush. A final solution to those annoying Pakistannis and their Kashmir issue…what, do you think India could never have imagined using the bomb against Pakistan?
But Chushin, mate…this thing about ‘Pakistannis and Indians being the same’ = how all the more awful Islam is.
It doesn’t fit. Well actually it’s wrong.
Patans are totally different to Sindhis. Sindhis don’t have a lot in common with Punjabis. Punjabis couldn’t give a fuck about Tamils. Tamils hate Sinhalese. And Balochis…?
All these people are ethnically different, They speak different languages and they DO have their seperate different cultures. India is the original melting pot. Or better, the false construct…
Most of these guys have got pretty strong desires for some kind of autonomy too. Of course, with the Tamils and Sinhalese it’s even more obvious…
So this idea of Pakistannis and Indians being the same…even Indians aren’t all the same. Pakistannis are not the same…
I just think it was the conclusion - ‘Islam made them do it’ - that you liked so much!
red
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
Chushin wrote:
Your tendency to act like you know all about someone else’s country is both arrogant and irritating.
Perhaps it’s a reaction to the arrogant and irritating tendency of so many people on this forum to act like they know all about his religion.
Nah, I don’t think so. It’s just who he is. In any case, are you saying that would excuse it?[/quote]
I’m saying I don’t see what needs to be excused. This forum is home to a great number of loudmouths and hotheads, many of whom expound on topics about which they know little. None of them (with the possible exception of Nominal Prospect, who often deserves it), consistently get as much bile dumped on them for stating their views as Lixy here.
And anyway… Lixy’s views, though they aren’t always the most popular, are a lot more informed than many other posters’. The politics forum is one of the smarter ones on T-Nation, but it still has its share of ignorant motherfuckers. Whatever else he may be, Lixy is not an ignorant motherfucker.
I don’t know what it is about him that rubs so many people here the wrong way. Is it because he’s Muslim? Because he’s posting from Europe? Because he’s highly opinionated and dares to criticize the good old U.S. of A.? I can’t figure it which it is, but it bugs me sometimes.
…gosh, was I ranting? Haven’t done that in a while.[quote]
Also, I’m curious, are you pointing that finger at me?[/quote]
Not particularly, no.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
lixy wrote:
Well, I don’t. I strongly condemn it.
I’ll tell you what though, had this happened in Morocco, those chicks would have gotten kicked out swiftly. Don’t want to obey the rules? Go find another vocation! It certainly wouldn’t warrant much debate. Sensationalist rag would pick up the story, but that’s about the size of it.
Then we agree. Good for you and for Morocco. [/quote]
We agree on about 90% of the issues you and me.
Here’s what we disagree on:
The rest is mostly miscommunication resulting from prejudice.
[quote]Don’t be an idiot. These are not independent businessmen. They work for companies wich are regulated by local governments because they are considered a part of the public transportation system. The main case I refer to is with cabs out of an airport. Would you support bus drivers not allowing passengers on because they brought a bottle of wine back from their trip to Italy?
Where does it say that there are no independent cabs in the United States?
What in the world are you talking about? I’m talking about specific instances in specific places. [/quote]
Ok. It is then their employers’ responsibility to ensure that the drivers behave themselves, reprimanding them or firing them if necessary.
Simple.
[quote]Anyway, I wasn’t aware of the level of regulations surrounding this business in the land of the free.
See my earlier comment. [/quote]
Forgive me for being pissed at watching what I consider to be a bastion of freedom turn into a place where cab drivers have no say over who they can or can’t let in their car.
[quote]I’ll ask you this though: what about a Catholic pharmacist who refuses to sell birth control? Does it happen? Where do you stand on the issue? And what does the law says?
Not sure what the law says. I’d guess it would depend on how “independent” the pharmacy is. As for me? I think it’s absurd, and an attempt to push your own values and beliefs on someone else. Do the job you accepted or go home. [/quote]
In my view, it’s accept the rules of the store or take a hike.
[quote]Do what you want in “Muslim” countries, but in the secular West? Adjust or leave. Nobody forced these people to immigrate or to take these positions.
Don’t be an imbecile! You are wrongly assuming that every last person involved in such activities is an immigrant.
No I’m not, genius. Thus the second half of my sentence. You can read, right?
Yes, I can.
What allowed you to say that those women were immigrants? Do you know their names? Did you go through their files? Talk to them?
Let’s stick to facts please.
Perhaps I’m missing something. Where did I say that “those women were immigrants?” [/quote]
Hmmm…nice catch. I misread that “or” for an “and”. Apologies then.
[quote]I agree with the part where you say that nobody forces anyone to become cab drivers or surgeons, but I don’t see what all the rompus is about. Aren’t there safeguards to reprimand doctors who don’t scrub up? The behavior described in the article would never be tolerated by universities and hospitals in my country. You seem to have trouble telling non-issues blown out of proportion by the media to make a buck from real problems.
Yes, there are safeguards. And the Muslims are resisting them.
If they are not resistance-proof, the safeguards lose the safe component and become mere guards.
Muslims trying to tell the rest of us how they should be given special treatment and be exempt from the rules we have in our democracies is not a non-issue.
I REALLY don’t get it. If you must make all this ruckus every time somebody is “trying to tell” you stuff, then you have to be one of those people seeking all sorts of limitations on free speech.
Wow. You really have me pegged, huh? You couldn’t be more wrong. But you are right about one thing: You REALLY don’t get it.
When others (that’s the Muslims) try to force their way of doing things on other people by disobeying the society’s rules and laws, it causes all sorts of problems and wastes of resources. If they disagree with the rules, let them do like everyone else and voice their opinion in an attempt to change things. But until things DO change, follow the damn rules. In a democracy, that’s how it’s supposed to work. [/quote]
So it’s not merely “trying to tell” you about special treatment that’s bugging you, right? Then what is it? Are your convictions and trust in the legal that shaky?
Illegal, unlawful and/or criminal activity wastes resources. But what are you going to do about it? Revoke due process? Install a dictatorship? What?
You bitch about people not following “the damn rules”, and that’s fair. But you should consider getting constructive and suggesting implementable solutions.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
red bull wrote:
But Chushin, mate…not the same…
Hey Red,
I think you’re talking to the wrong guy… :)[/quote]
Yeah, that’s what I was wondering: “wasn’t Sifu the one claiming Indians and Pakistanis were the same?”
Ah well, must have been those Oriental names. Sifu, Chushin. They all sound the same. 
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
Chushin wrote:
Your tendency to act like you know all about someone else’s country is both arrogant and irritating.
Perhaps it’s a reaction to the arrogant and irritating tendency of so many people on this forum to act like they know all about his religion.
Nah, I don’t think so. It’s just who he is. In any case, are you saying that would excuse it?
Also, I’m curious, are you pointing that finger at me?[/quote]
Look, Varq. was around when I showed up on this forum. You weren’t.
I would have never made this a regular stop, if it wasn’t for the profusion of obscenities, disinformation and half-truths that were directly attacking my religion. You have no idea what kind of ignorant shit I have read about Mohamed, Islam or Muslims here. It trumped everything else I ever encountered on a “mainstream” website. Turned out that a lot of it was not vicious, but honestly misguided. I do my best to reason with those.
So honestly, if it wasn’t for what I perceived as a crusade and intellectual terrorism pervading the place, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
Back to videos, Undercover mosque: a six parter, so look out of for the rest.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Chushin wrote:
Your tendency to act like you know all about someone else’s country is both arrogant and irritating.
Perhaps it’s a reaction to the arrogant and irritating tendency of so many people on this forum to act like they know all about his religion.[/quote]
Perhaps it’s not knowledge of his religion as much as it a heightened awareness of the acts of terror & bloodshed meted out in the name of his religion on a day in / day out basis. Denial only gets you so far.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
lixy wrote:
Did you vote for the folks sitting in the US Supreme Court?
Oh, but Lixy, the US Supreme Court never legislates from the bench. That would be unconstitutional.[/quote]
But it would not be for European judges.
We have no constitution.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Damn, Lixy, either 1)You are confusing with me someone else, 2)You are making huge assumptions, or 3) someone has been posting under my name. Believe it or not, I agree with you on most of the above (though I’ve never stated that here). WTF? [/quote]
Must be my overtaxed CNS combined with getting older. I’m starting to confuse names.
[quote]Lixy, it is MY /OUR country, not yours. If you’re upset about what’s going on there, wouldn’t it make more sense to reason that out with me / us than to be sarcastic about the situation to me /us. At least we have some chance of improving things; you do not.
Man, if you want to offer respectful (there’s that passe word again; shame on me and my dated attitudes), constructive comments that take into account that WE might be feeling some pain about the situation, too, then I’ll listen. Otherwise it just feels like insults. [/quote]
Might be just my personal experience, but the folks who feel the most “pain about the situation” end up somewhere else in the hope that the grass be indeed greener on the other side.
You seemed pissed at a taxidriver asking for the right to chose who he might or might not let into his car. If you felt using the term “land of the free” was an insult to you, there’s nothing I can do about it but tell you that it was not intended as such. It was genuine concern over the slow erosion of American ideals - if I understood your forefathers words correctly.
Here’s a constructive comment for you: Vote Ron Paul! The rest of the bunch will just continue to dilapidate money, attack people unprovoked and shit on the Constitution and other founding documents.
Well, it is profoundly arrogant and self-centered. Shit, a large proportion of immigrants don’t even bother to learn the local language. I should know; been hanging around in Scandanivia for a few years now.
There’s this professor of mine from Luxembourg who’s been in Sweden for 6 years, is married to a Swede, had a daughter with her, and can’t be bothered to learn Swedish. It is a lack of respect, but what are you going to do about it?
Oh, but it is! It you don’t consider it your responsibility to find solutions, then whose responsibility is it? This is like the guy who keeps getting a bike stolen every week, but says that it not his responsibility to lock it up. Hoping that thief gets a clear conscience or bitching about it everywhere you go is not going to solve the problem. In a perfect world, people wouldn’t be curling in the squat rack, talking loudly in public, blowing smoke in your face, not sorting the trash or revving their motorbike at night. But hey, they’re gonna do it anyway.
Most of these cases are clear-cut, and do not warrant all the attention they are getting. If the law of a state says that the cabbies has to take the next guy in line, then that’s what he should do or get smacked for refusing. Some however are tougher. They need to go through courts and that is usually a long and painful process. If you see it as a waste of resources, then you are opening the door for some nasty stuff. Don’t get me wrong, I agree with you, and people should have the decency not to be clogging administrations over petty things. To answer the question of what one can do about it, I suppose you could file a complaint when a cab driver refuses to serve you. That oughta cost him his license.
You speak of “PC” and “discriminatory”. That’s something the T-crowd can empathize with. You know, pussification of society and all that. But it is understandable given American history that people be wary of discrimination. Whether they’re legitimate concerns or not is irrelevant from my point of view. In America, of all places, the system should be able to sort it out. PC is not tangible, and you can’t treat it (how’s that for an image?) by painting a race, gender or faith with the same large brush. It only exacerbates the problem. That’s the sure way to get more people become even more PC.
[quote]orion wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
lixy wrote:
Did you vote for the folks sitting in the US Supreme Court?
Oh, but Lixy, the US Supreme Court never legislates from the bench. That would be unconstitutional.
But it would not be for European judges.
We have no constitution.[/quote]
I believe Varq’s comment was sarcastic.
I got a question. At this moment in time, I consider islam as a greater whole, a threat. I personally seek to undermine it’s spread and support the undermining of it’s spread because of this perceived threat to human life that many of it’s proponents condone or practice. I will continue to do so, until such time that the widely accepted intolerance, hate and violence is abated for the opposite goals of tolerance, love and peace like any good religion should seek. When that happens, I will welcome it with open arms…
This is not to say I have an issue with individual muslims, I realize there are a fair share of good people who practice islam and are in large part as much a victim of radicalism as the rest of the world.
The question is has two parts. Do you think I deserve to die for this belief? And, does doctrinal islam condemn me to death for my beliefs?
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
I don’t know what it is about him that rubs so many people here the wrong way. Is it because he’s Muslim? Because he’s posting from Europe? Because he’s highly opinionated and dares to criticize the good old U.S. of A.? I can’t figure it which it is, but it bugs me sometimes.
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He’s very, very, very good about staying on message “Bad America!” Ok, fine, I could accept some passionate “Bad America vs Good America” debate around here. Sometimes, even when the thread seems to be absolutely neutral though? Furthermore, Lixy can then turn around and suddenly become very defensive on, say, hanging a 16 year old “slut” in Iran “who played with fire and got burned.” Or, complain about the conduct of US troops, while justifying the use of children to plant roadside bombs. He is the first pacifist I’ve ever seen even attempt to justify the use of children in modern warfare.
He’s an extremely vocal critic of US intervention, yet has to be pressed into denouncing interventionism by, well, Islamic states. Would be interesting to see him post an article about Iranian/Syrian intervention in Lebanon. Or, to join a discussion about Islamic charities being used to funnel money to Islamic seperatists groups here, there, and everywhere. Or, a “damn it, there goes Iran cracking down on religious minorties again,” instead of offering up what amounts to apologetics “when in Rome, do as the Romans.”
And, it’s hard to sit back and listen to him bring up Zionism while, again, becoming rather defensive about Islamism. There are a good number of Islamic terror and seperatist hotspots when compared with all the Zionist hospots around the…well, yeah.
I’ve questioned my views, maybe he’ll do the same.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
The politics forum is one of the smarter ones on T-Nation, but it still has its share of ignorant motherfuckers.
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No its not, far from it but i do agree with the bit about ignorant motherfuckers but it has more than its fair share of them, just have a quick scan of the threads and it is self evident.
this forum has always been the drain all the crap flows down, from holocaust deniers to every other fruitcake, what had struck me about this sewer has been the number of people who post here that don't post anywhere else, do some of you guys actually lift weights.
I'm sure if admin could they would get rid of this forum but at this stage they can't but it is slowly going down the forum index, with a little bit of luck it will disappear in the future.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
And anyway… Lixy’s views, though they aren’t always the most popular, are a lot more informed than many other posters’. The politics forum is one of the smarter ones on T-Nation, but it still has its share of ignorant motherfuckers. Whatever else he may be, Lixy is not an ignorant motherfucker.
I don’t know what it is about him that rubs so many people here the wrong way. Is it because he’s Muslim? Because he’s posting from Europe? Because he’s highly opinionated and dares to criticize the good old U.S. of A.? I can’t figure it which it is, but it bugs me sometimes.[/quote]
Yes, he criticizes the U.S., but that’s not the problem. Lord knows we have plenty of posters here that are hyper-critical of the U.S., yet aren’t dumped on like lixy.
It’s his lack of consistency. It’s his failure to argue in good faith. It’s his refusal to understand any line of reasoning that does not place the U.S. squarely in the wrong. It’s his habit of turning every single thread, regardless of initial subject, into yet another U.S. foreign policy thread.
Every single problem in the world today is mostly America’s fault, because we’re the lone Superpower in the world. As if everybody on the planet gets along swimmingly until the U.S. blunders in and screws it all up.
His reasoning is so distorted, it’s like a logical Rube Goldberg Machine. The idea of proximate cause flows over him like water off a duck. Because no matter what the issue, in the end it’s the U.S.'s fault. Always.
He will change his entire operating philosophy from thread to thread, and even sometimes mid-thread, to ensure that the U.S. always remains at fault.
Remember, he’s a “libertarian socialist”, whatever the fuck that means. Too much U.S. action, and the libertarian in him is offended. Too little, and it’s the socialist that’s offended. Thus, he’s offended no matter what the U.S. does.
He does not hold any other country to the same standard that he does the U.S… Not Europe, not Russia, not China. Nobody else. It is understandable when any other nation makes mistakes, but not the U.S…
The U.S. must be perfect, absolutely flawless in its legislation, decision making, judicial review, and execution. It must perfectly anticipate every consequence that might occur, even decades down the line, to ensure that nobody is upset.
Naturally, it’s no problem at all when other nations misjudge even contemporary consequences of their actions, but the U.S. is held responsible for deaths in 2008 resulting from U.S. policy from 1972.
When people or nations react to the U.S. and cause harm, it’s the U.S.'s fault. But the U.S. cannot ever react to other nations or people, or that too is the U.S.'s fault.
When we can twist his arm into admitting that Russia or China or even the E.U. has done something evil, it’s okay. No really, because citizens in those countries were dragged along at gun-point by totalitarian regimes. U.S. citizens are voting tax-payers, thus we shoulder the blame of U.S. mistakes while citizens of every other nation on the face of the Earth are absolved when their governments screw up.
But not me. I killed an Iraqi in cold-blood this afternoon because I vote and pay taxes, while a Chinese citizen’s hands are washed clean of the blood of a Sudanese.
Varq, you say lixy is not an “ignorant motherfucker”. I would agree, to a very specific point.
Lixy is highly educated in the arguments of how the U.S. is always and forever responsible for every lamentation the world over since WWII.
However, it is as if he then closed his mind forever, because he makes zero effort to understand the other side of the coin. He has very little understanding of concepts that put U.S. actions into context and explain why we just might not be the devil-incarnate.
Why bother? His world is very simple and neat when there’s a big, bad wolf on which he can conveniently push all blame.
Lixy is very knowledgeable about one side of the argument, yet willfully ignorant of the other. His critical thinking skills are about as sharp as a butter knife, to boot. Have you seen him when someone nails him in an argument? It’s like a computer freezing up.
So Varq, when lixy comes on this site and unceasingly throws up half-truths, exaggerations, and the occasional outright lie in order to slander my nation, then blames its citizens – me – for its actions, and then either shifts his entire philosophy in order to spin, twist, and writhe his way past any and all logical arguments opposed to his or plugs his ears and screams like a toddler, you don’t get the least bit annoyed?
In fact, you get annoyed at us when we get annoyed at him?
Further, you think our annoyance with lixy is due simply to him criticizing America, or his religion, or his residence?
Wow, thanks for giving us the benefit of the doubt, Varq. I’d hate to tell that I’m not voting for Obama or Hillary, because I think you might conclude that I hate blacks and feminists.
My disliking lixy can’t possibly be because he spends hours making literally thousands of posts unfairly bashing the hell out of my nation – and by proxy, myself – in bad faith?
Sheesh…