[quote]Sifu wrote:
All the muslims in the west could be easily replaced by Mexicans or South Americans, who are hard working and Christian. Or Hindus from India. Or Buddists from Asia. It’s not like there aren’t people who would be eager to take their place.[/quote]
Uh, oh, how do you plan to make that replacement easily?
Cut off immigration until a sane system is reintroduced.
Deportation of non-citizens who’ve overstaid.
Cut off funding of mosques coming from SA.
Consider charges of treason for Imams preaching jihad against the nation.
And basically a general attitude of assimilate or get the hell out.
Oh. And I think energy independence may need to be looked at as a National Security imperative. In otherwords, get away from funding terrosists with oil money.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Cut off immigration until a sane system is reintroduced.
Deportation of non-citizens who’ve overstaid.
Cut off funding of mosques coming from SA.
Consider charges of treason for Imams preaching jihad against the nation.
And basically a general attitude of assimilate or get the hell out.[/quote]
Do you think that is done easily? That’s a political agenda, not the definition of easily. You are daydreaming. Now, who is for strong federal government and who is not? Those steps could be installed relatively easily in small country like Finland, if there was no interference from the EU, but in a country with a federal covernment, like US? A country with connections with practically every country in the world? I think you and your kindred are longing for something that have ceased to exist a long time ago.
Lixy you are as observant as ever. What I meant to say is that muslims should not be allowed to leave muslim countries and move into non-muslim countries.
Yes there are large numbers of muslims living outside of muslim countries already. It is why we need to put a stop to the muslim invasion soon. Before peaceful places like Europe become a giant Lebanon.
The ones who recently came and still have citizensip in another country would be no problem to deport. Just send them back where they came from along with their descendents. Or if they really don’t want to go we could put them in internment camps where they would not be able to hurt anyone.
It might not be a nice solution, but it will be brutally effective. It will preempt the type of violent breakdown in society that occurred in Lebanon. If we don’t act now places where we have already seen violent religious clashes like London and Paris will end up just like Beruit.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
The ones who recently came and still have citizensip in another country would be no problem to deport. Just send them back where they came from along with their descendents. Or if they really don’t want to go we could put them in internment camps where they would not be able to hurt anyone.
It might not be a nice solution, but it will be brutally effective. It will preempt the type of violent breakdown in society that occurred in Lebanon. If we don’t act now places where we have already seen violent religious clashes like London and Paris will end up just like Beruit.
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Internment camps? PETA would truly be a fringe organisation after that. What violent breakdown would that prevent? I thought you was a student of history. After those measures that you suggest, you wouldn’t really be defending those values you claim that you are defending. Can’t you see that? You would be on the dark side.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Cut off immigration until a sane system is reintroduced.
Deportation of non-citizens who’ve overstaid.
Cut off funding of mosques coming from SA.
Consider charges of treason for Imams preaching jihad against the nation.
And basically a general attitude of assimilate or get the hell out.
Do you think that is done easily? That’s a political agenda, not the definition of easily. You are daydreaming. Now, who is for strong federal government and who is not? Those steps could be installed relatively easily in small country like Finland, if there was no interference from the EU, but in a country with a federal covernment, like US? A country with connections with practically every country in the world? I think you and your kindred are longing for something that have ceased to exist a long time ago.[/quote]
How is it difficult?
[quote]Shoebolt wrote:
I hardly post on T-Nation anymore, just coming for the occasional article, so how much time do you think I have to listen to a documentary that is steeped in ignorance and arrogance? I have better things to do with my time.
I’m targeting you specifically because you are the one who has watched the movie and suddenly assumed without fail that everything you have heard is true.[/quote]
You ASSUME that I believe this movie word-for-word.
I watched a movie, summarized some main points to generate interest, and posted a link so that people could:
If you’re not going to bother watching it, then you shouldn’t have bothered posting in the first place.
ElbowStrike
Tension was rife in Kano following moves by the state’s sharia police against brothel, hotels and cafes situated in non-Muslim sections of the Sabon Gari area of the metropolis.
The sharia police numbering about two hundred were seen at night patrolling in seven open vehicles that carried dangerous weapons including bows, arrows, sticks and cutlass. They attacked a civil service club at Magajin Rumfa Road, and all the hotels that are located in Sabon Gari, an area where most of its inhabitants are Christians.
The Sharia Police, otherwise called, Hisbah Police, earlier turned down summons by the Kano State Police Command, which had cautioned them about their unconstitutional activities. “We’re operating our duties based on law of the state, and shariah must be complied with by anyone residing in Kano” a top official of the Hisbah said following the police summons.
http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=102146
Tehran (AsiaNews/Agencies) �?? Iran yesterday sentenced three Baha’i to four years in jail for security offences after being convicted of propaganda against the political system and proselytism in the southern city of Shiraz under the pretext of helping the poor. Another 51 were given a year in prison with suspended sentences handed condition they attend courses by state propaganda officials, judiciary spokesman Ali Reza Jamshidi said.
The Bahá�??à faith is considered heretical by Iranian authorities and has been banned since the advent of the Islamic Republic in 1979.
More than 200 Bahá�??Ãs have been executed or murdered since then; hundreds have ended up in jail, tens of thousands have been thrown out of their jobs, denied pensions or prevented from going into business.
An Islamist cleric who has defended suicide bombings and the execution of homosexuals is to be allowed to enter the UK, sparking a major row between government departments.
The Observer understands that senior civil servants in the Home Office and Foreign Office have recommended that ministers approve an application by Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who is banned from entering the United States, to come to London for medical treatment.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
kaaleppi wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Cut off immigration until a sane system is reintroduced.
Deportation of non-citizens who’ve overstaid.
Cut off funding of mosques coming from SA.
Consider charges of treason for Imams preaching jihad against the nation.
And basically a general attitude of assimilate or get the hell out.
Do you think that is done easily? That’s a political agenda, not the definition of easily. You are daydreaming. Now, who is for strong federal government and who is not? Those steps could be installed relatively easily in small country like Finland, if there was no interference from the EU, but in a country with a federal covernment, like US? A country with connections with practically every country in the world? I think you and your kindred are longing for something that have ceased to exist a long time ago.
How is it difficult? [/quote]
Give your vote and try. If you have a strong federal government, in the style the putinians in russia are trying to implement, it is easy. It has very little to do with democracy. All that the measures you are promoting can achive is to bulk up the bureaucracy. To state it otherwise, it is difficut to to achieve the effect you wish. You get something else that you thought that you bought.
THE HAGUE, 30/01/08 - Another Labour (PvdA) politician has turned out to be supporting the radical Islamic group Hizb ut Tahrir. This time, it is Hatice Can-Engin, an alderman in the town of Gilze-Rijen.
Can-Engin, of Turkish origin, signed a petition of Hizb ut Tahrir against the insulting of Islam. Gilze-Rijen Mayor Rene Roep has confirmed that Can-Engin signed the online petition. The alderman herself had initially denied this. Whether her action will have consequences for her functioning as alderman is not yet clear.
Hizb ut-Tahrir, banned in Germany, aspires to worldwide Islamic dominance. Chairman Okay Pala recently said in newspaper De Telegraaf that the Netherlands “needs a bombing attack” and that he rejects democracy.
http://www.nisnews.nl/public/300108_1.htm
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
Sloth wrote:
kaaleppi wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Cut off immigration until a sane system is reintroduced.
Deportation of non-citizens who’ve overstaid.
Cut off funding of mosques coming from SA.
Consider charges of treason for Imams preaching jihad against the nation.
And basically a general attitude of assimilate or get the hell out.
Do you think that is done easily? That’s a political agenda, not the definition of easily. You are daydreaming. Now, who is for strong federal government and who is not? Those steps could be installed relatively easily in small country like Finland, if there was no interference from the EU, but in a country with a federal covernment, like US? A country with connections with practically every country in the world? I think you and your kindred are longing for something that have ceased to exist a long time ago.
How is it difficult?
Give your vote and try. If you have a strong federal government, in the style the putinians in russia are trying to implement, it is easy. It has very little to do with democracy. All that the measures you are promoting can achive is to bulk up the bureaucracy. To state it otherwise, it is difficut to to achieve the effect you wish. You get something else that you thought that you bought.[/quote]
Not at all. We defend our borders only. That’s much cheaper and less “big government,” then trying to maintain forces around the world. And most certainly easier than fighting abstract wars in the mid-east while trying to balance this convoluted crusade for democracy (while supporting dictators.) Cut that crap out and we’d still see a big net loss in government.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Shoebolt wrote:
I think you should consider the facts of the religion before you consider the behaviour of it’s followers…
Muslims: perpetual victims to justify war and aggression.
Yeah, let’s not bother with facts.[/quote]
I considered the propaga-er-facts presented and this is my conclusion: the Muslims have justified their war, aggression and conquest portraying themselves as victims.
They came out of Arabia in the 7th century because they were victims. That is what was written in a nutshell.
But lets look at other facts here:
When the Ottoman Empire attacked Eastern Europe, tell me, were the muslims, in control of a thus far invincible army, victims?
(Invincible? I take that back, Timur beat them once.)
Playing the victim all the time becomes a bad excuse when suddenly you are the victimizer.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
A whole bunch of news story synopses.
[/quote]
Order!
I call this thread back to the main topic:
“Islam: What the West Needs to Know”
(c) 2006 Quixotic Media, LLC
Watch the movie and discuss the movie or GTFO!
This thread is on the verge of exploding into ridiculous.
ElbowStrike
[quote]
You ASSUME that I believe this movie word-for-word.
I watched a movie, summarized some main points to generate interest, and posted a link so that people could:
If you’re not going to bother watching it, then you shouldn’t have bothered posting in the first place.
ElbowStrike[/quote]
Then why post with such dramaticism, as to propose that you had drunk in every single detail without dispute.
You have asked people to:
But you have not asked anyone in turn to:
And this is the attitude of the movie. I know of the people who were in that movie, and I have read their material before, and it simply involves picking random Hadith and Quranic verses, then putting their own interpretation on it based on current Geopolitical circumstances, without even considering the application/implications of the Hadith, or where the Quranic verses were mentioned, in what context, their full meaning in Arabic and the Tafsir (commentary) by prominent Muslims Scholars from the 600-1000 AD who went through the Quran using the Hadith themselves. This is why I will not watch it.
Last one. Just sharing some samples of recent news.
LONDON - Britain’s head of overseas intelligence warned that Saudi Arabia likely would stop sharing vital information on terrorism if prosecutors pursued an investigation into alleged corruption in an arms deal, lawmakers disclosed Tuesday.
Ministers were told the inquiry into the BAE Systems PLC arms deal with Saudi Arabia could lead to a withdrawal of Saudi assistance on counterterrorism, according to the annual report of the Intelligence and Security committee. The committee scrutinizes the work of Britain’s intelligence and security agencies.
Britain’s Serious Fraud Office in December 2006 ended the inquiry into allegations that BAE Systems ran a $118.9 million “slush fund” offering sweeteners to Saudi Arabian officials in return for lucrative arms contracts.
http://www.amny.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-britain-intelligence,0,5318192.story
[quote]Shoebolt wrote:
This Islam + violence claim being made by all these internet chatterboxes around the world without any knowledge of Islam, it’s proofs, evidences and texts or an honest and humble approach is really dangerous, as it is an ignorant procedure that justifies actions such as genocide just like the Holocaust.
[/quote]
True, Shoebolt.
The Anti-American, anti-Western rhetoric on the internet by muslims is equally as dangerous.
Both should end.
[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
Sloth wrote:
A whole bunch of news story synopses.
Order!
I call this thread back to the main topic:
“Islam: What the West Needs to Know”
(c) 2006 Quixotic Media, LLC
Watch the movie and discuss the movie or GTFO!
This thread is on the verge of exploding into ridiculous.
ElbowStrike[/quote]
On the contrary. I’m sharing some very recent news to highlight the warning of the movie.