[quote]lixy wrote:
JamFly wrote:
“Everyone thinks the Scots are drunks” That’s a new one on me or maybe you were thinking of the Irish which is a country next door to Scotland - you were close.
Let’s say that you’re too cheap to afford an education.
Happy now?[/quote]
Much better.
[quote]pat wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
They’re all fucking ridiculous. There are probably more deaths committed in the name of Christianity than those in any others.
Not this stupid shit again…Do you forget your prominent athiest pals like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, etc. No one, by a large margin has killed more people that athiests…I mean it’s not even close.
[/quote]
Yup, and that is all you have, even though you know how weak an argument it is.
[quote]orion wrote:
pat wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
They’re all fucking ridiculous. There are probably more deaths committed in the name of Christianity than those in any others.
Not this stupid shit again…Do you forget your prominent athiest pals like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, etc. No one, by a large margin has killed more people that athiests…I mean it’s not even close.
Yup, and that is all you have, even though you know how weak an argument it is.
[/quote]
Can you name any atheist heads of state that were not tyrants?
And 300 million dead bodies and counting is quite the statement
, or is that not enough for you?
How is point out the fact that atheists leaders are the most violent and muderous of all weak argument? Are you saying that’s not true, did I miss a body or two? Did the holocaust not happen either or are you just trying some kind of Jedi mind-trick?
[quote]JamFly wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
JamFly wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
JamFly wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
By the way, two soldiers killed in Antrim by the REAL IRA.
Another two chalked up for Christianity, the religion of peace, love, and harmony.
No doubt.
What does the IRA have to do with religion? It’s a political issue dipshit.
Yes, you fucking douche, it is. A political issue with deep ties to the root problem, which is the Protestant and Catholic divide. Without the religion issue, there’s no political issue. Got it cock?
So the IRA are motivated to kill Protestants because their religion says so? I wonder why there are not more Catholics all over the world killing Protestants because God told them to? Did you know one of the soldiers killed was Catholic???
Hillarious - people like you are the reason the US receives such negative sterotypes.
You completely ignored what I said and made up your own shit. You must be the reason everyone thinks that Scots are drunks.
You say “without the religious issue there is no political issue” - don’t you see how stupid this statement is? Don’t you think the fact that one country has siezed 1/4 of their neighbours country has ANYTHING to do with the issue? Sure the fact that the Irish Republic is 99% Catholic and those loyal to the UK Queen and Country are Protestant doesn’t help but it is in NO WAY the reason for setting bombs and the killing - we have an identically parallel Catholic/Prodestant situation here on the West Coast of Scotland and guess what they hate each other but no-one gets bombed or killed. Shit I cannot believe I have to type this!
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You’re obviously a mental juggernaut so I’ll make this real clear to you- the causes of Irish nationalism and Catholicism have been one in the same for years and years. The problems stem as much from the oppression of Catholics by the Protestants over the centuries as anything else.
The IRA is well known as a Catholic, Republican organization- like Ho Chi Minh and the Arabs in the Middle East, they have folded two causes that aren’t necessarily alike into each other in order to achieve a goal.
Odds are that if NI was all Catholic instead of being a 60/40 Protestant majority, there would be no problems there, and they would been on board to get separate from England just as much back in the early part of the century. However, the Protestant roots have led them to keep strong ties with England, and that causes the roots of the problems we have now.
Clear enough for you genius?
Whatever. I’m not getting into a pissing contest with a guy who “cantz beeelieve I gotta typpee this!!!1111”
[quote]pat wrote:
orion wrote:
pat wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
They’re all fucking ridiculous. There are probably more deaths committed in the name of Christianity than those in any others.
Not this stupid shit again…Do you forget your prominent athiest pals like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, etc. No one, by a large margin has killed more people that athiests…I mean it’s not even close.
Yup, and that is all you have, even though you know how weak an argument it is.
Can you name any atheist heads of state that were not tyrants?
And 300 million dead bodies and counting is quite the statement
, or is that not enough for you?
How is point out the fact that atheists leaders are the most violent and muderous of all weak argument? Are you saying that’s not true, did I miss a body or two? Did the holocaust not happen either or are you just trying some kind of Jedi mind-trick?
[/quote]
Whether Hitler was an atheist is debatable, I am not going to look up every Scandinavian head of state of the last 5 decades and whatever those tyrants were is irrelevant as long as they did not kill in the name of it. Just because a mass murder has a random attribute does not mean it caused his murders.
Find someone who explicitly killed in the name of atheism and you have a point.
[quote]orion wrote:
pat wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
They’re all fucking ridiculous. There are probably more deaths committed in the name of Christianity than those in any others.
Not this stupid shit again…Do you forget your prominent athiest pals like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, etc. No one, by a large margin has killed more people that athiests…I mean it’s not even close.
Yup, and that is all you have, even though you know how weak an argument it is.
[/quote]
Sounds strong to me.
If the Godless can kill and oppress for the sake of communism and state atheism, they can kill for anything. Why is this even controversial?
[quote]orion wrote:
pat wrote:
orion wrote:
pat wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
They’re all fucking ridiculous. There are probably more deaths committed in the name of Christianity than those in any others.
Not this stupid shit again…Do you forget your prominent athiest pals like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, etc. No one, by a large margin has killed more people that athiests…I mean it’s not even close.
Yup, and that is all you have, even though you know how weak an argument it is.
Can you name any atheist heads of state that were not tyrants?
And 300 million dead bodies and counting is quite the statement
, or is that not enough for you?
How is point out the fact that atheists leaders are the most violent and muderous of all weak argument? Are you saying that’s not true, did I miss a body or two? Did the holocaust not happen either or are you just trying some kind of Jedi mind-trick?
Whether Hitler was an atheist is debatable, I am not going to look up every Scandinavian head of state of the last 5 decades and whatever those tyrants were is irrelevant as long as they did not kill in the name of it. Just because a mass murder has a random attribute does not mean it caused his murders.
Find someone who explicitly killed in the name of atheism and you have a point.[/quote]
Do they not teach history in Austria? I thought we already went over this. Lenin and Stalin both killed religious people because they were religious and not atheist. Shit don’t take my work for it, it is a matter of historical fact that most people who skim history know. Look it up for yourself. That’s just two, Mao did it to the Buddhists…Seriously, just look it up.
They are doing it to Buddhists in Tibet today.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
JamFly wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
JamFly wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
JamFly wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
By the way, two soldiers killed in Antrim by the REAL IRA.
Another two chalked up for Christianity, the religion of peace, love, and harmony.
No doubt.
What does the IRA have to do with religion? It’s a political issue dipshit.
Yes, you fucking douche, it is. A political issue with deep ties to the root problem, which is the Protestant and Catholic divide. Without the religion issue, there’s no political issue. Got it cock?
So the IRA are motivated to kill Protestants because their religion says so? I wonder why there are not more Catholics all over the world killing Protestants because God told them to? Did you know one of the soldiers killed was Catholic???
Hillarious - people like you are the reason the US receives such negative sterotypes.
You completely ignored what I said and made up your own shit. You must be the reason everyone thinks that Scots are drunks.
You say “without the religious issue there is no political issue” - don’t you see how stupid this statement is? Don’t you think the fact that one country has siezed 1/4 of their neighbours country has ANYTHING to do with the issue? Sure the fact that the Irish Republic is 99% Catholic and those loyal to the UK Queen and Country are Protestant doesn’t help but it is in NO WAY the reason for setting bombs and the killing - we have an identically parallel Catholic/Prodestant situation here on the West Coast of Scotland and guess what they hate each other but no-one gets bombed or killed. Shit I cannot believe I have to type this!
You’re obviously a mental juggernaut so I’ll make this real clear to you- the causes of Irish nationalism and Catholicism have been one in the same for years and years. The problems stem as much from the oppression of Catholics by the Protestants over the centuries as anything else.
The IRA is well known as a Catholic, Republican organization- like Ho Chi Minh and the Arabs in the Middle East, they have folded two causes that aren’t necessarily alike into each other in order to achieve a goal.
Odds are that if NI was all Catholic instead of being a 60/40 Protestant majority, there would be no problems there, and they would been on board to get separate from England just as much back in the early part of the century. However, the Protestant roots have led them to keep strong ties with England, and that causes the roots of the problems we have now.
Clear enough for you genius?
“Everyone thinks the Scots are drunks” That’s a new one on me or maybe you were thinking of the Irish which is a country next door to Scotland - you were close.
Whatever. I’m not getting into a pissing contest with a guy who “cantz beeelieve I gotta typpee this!!!1111”[/quote]
Why do you feel you need to add more clarity on the non-point you are trying to make? Do you not think I understand the socio/political scene in Norther Ireland and know the history having spent the majority of my life growing up a stone’s throw from there?
Clearly no sane rational unbiased person with an understanding of the history and situation in Norther Ireland would find your original “Christian bombers” post credible you are motivated by some kind of anti-religious sentiment and will do or say what ever it takes - even pervert the reality of a situation to cloud an issue which is perfectly crystal clear.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
If the Godless can kill and oppress for the sake of communism and state atheism, they can kill for anything. Why is this even controversial?[/quote]
Because they did not kill in the name of their godlessness even if they could have “killed for anything”.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
pat wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
They’re all fucking ridiculous. There are probably more deaths committed in the name of Christianity than those in any others.
Not this stupid shit again…Do you forget your prominent athiest pals like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, etc. No one, by a large margin has killed more people that athiests…I mean it’s not even close.
Yup, and that is all you have, even though you know how weak an argument it is.
Sounds strong to me. [/quote]
That says a lot more about you than about the strength of the argument.
I might as well call the Holocaust the result of Hitlers vegetarianism for he did not kill in the name of vegetarianism either.
[quote]orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
pat wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
They’re all fucking ridiculous. There are probably more deaths committed in the name of Christianity than those in any others.
Not this stupid shit again…Do you forget your prominent athiest pals like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, etc. No one, by a large margin has killed more people that athiests…I mean it’s not even close.
Yup, and that is all you have, even though you know how weak an argument it is.
Sounds strong to me.
That says a lot more about you than about the strength of the argument.
I might as well call the Holocaust the result of Hitlers vegetarianism for he did not kill in the name of vegetarianism either.[/quote]
What’s Hitler to do with the above?
[quote]pat wrote:
orion wrote:
pat wrote:
orion wrote:
pat wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
They’re all fucking ridiculous. There are probably more deaths committed in the name of Christianity than those in any others.
Not this stupid shit again…Do you forget your prominent athiest pals like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, etc. No one, by a large margin has killed more people that athiests…I mean it’s not even close.
Yup, and that is all you have, even though you know how weak an argument it is.
Can you name any atheist heads of state that were not tyrants?
And 300 million dead bodies and counting is quite the statement
, or is that not enough for you?
How is point out the fact that atheists leaders are the most violent and muderous of all weak argument? Are you saying that’s not true, did I miss a body or two? Did the holocaust not happen either or are you just trying some kind of Jedi mind-trick?
Whether Hitler was an atheist is debatable, I am not going to look up every Scandinavian head of state of the last 5 decades and whatever those tyrants were is irrelevant as long as they did not kill in the name of it. Just because a mass murder has a random attribute does not mean it caused his murders.
Find someone who explicitly killed in the name of atheism and you have a point.
Do they not teach history in Austria? I thought we already went over this. Lenin and Stalin both killed religious people because they were religious and not atheist. Shit don’t take my work for it, it is a matter of historical fact that most people who skim history know. Look it up for yourself. That’s just two, Mao did it to the Buddhists…Seriously, just look it up. [/quote]
Lenin did not persecute religions because he thought it would die out as a result of the soon to be built socialist paradise and even Stalin only went after the churches, not the religious people per se.
Soon after Staling the Russian orthodox church was used as part of a broader effort to inspire Russian Sowjet nationalism.
So, when and where did they have their crusade against religions?
They had an inquisition but that only means that their ideology very religion like in and of itself.
[quote]JamFly wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
JamFly wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
JamFly wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
JamFly wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
By the way, two soldiers killed in Antrim by the REAL IRA.
Another two chalked up for Christianity, the religion of peace, love, and harmony.
No doubt.
What does the IRA have to do with religion? It’s a political issue dipshit.
Yes, you fucking douche, it is. A political issue with deep ties to the root problem, which is the Protestant and Catholic divide. Without the religion issue, there’s no political issue. Got it cock?
So the IRA are motivated to kill Protestants because their religion says so? I wonder why there are not more Catholics all over the world killing Protestants because God told them to? Did you know one of the soldiers killed was Catholic???
Hillarious - people like you are the reason the US receives such negative sterotypes.
You completely ignored what I said and made up your own shit. You must be the reason everyone thinks that Scots are drunks.
You say “without the religious issue there is no political issue” - don’t you see how stupid this statement is? Don’t you think the fact that one country has siezed 1/4 of their neighbours country has ANYTHING to do with the issue? Sure the fact that the Irish Republic is 99% Catholic and those loyal to the UK Queen and Country are Protestant doesn’t help but it is in NO WAY the reason for setting bombs and the killing - we have an identically parallel Catholic/Prodestant situation here on the West Coast of Scotland and guess what they hate each other but no-one gets bombed or killed. Shit I cannot believe I have to type this!
You’re obviously a mental juggernaut so I’ll make this real clear to you- the causes of Irish nationalism and Catholicism have been one in the same for years and years. The problems stem as much from the oppression of Catholics by the Protestants over the centuries as anything else.
The IRA is well known as a Catholic, Republican organization- like Ho Chi Minh and the Arabs in the Middle East, they have folded two causes that aren’t necessarily alike into each other in order to achieve a goal.
Odds are that if NI was all Catholic instead of being a 60/40 Protestant majority, there would be no problems there, and they would been on board to get separate from England just as much back in the early part of the century. However, the Protestant roots have led them to keep strong ties with England, and that causes the roots of the problems we have now.
Clear enough for you genius?
“Everyone thinks the Scots are drunks” That’s a new one on me or maybe you were thinking of the Irish which is a country next door to Scotland - you were close.
Whatever. I’m not getting into a pissing contest with a guy who “cantz beeelieve I gotta typpee this!!!1111”
Why do you feel you need to add more clarity on the non-point you are trying to make? Do you not think I understand the socio/political scene in Norther Ireland and know the history having spent the majority of my life growing up a stone’s throw from there?
[/quote]
No, clearly you don’t. And living there doesn’t mean you understand it- That’s like Sarah Palin understanding Russians because she can see them from her backyard.
If you don’t think that age old prejudices on the parts of Catholics and Protestants combined with the British occupation is not the root cause of that conflict, then you’re a fucking moron.
Wait a second, I already established that. Forget it.
[quote]orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
If the Godless can kill and oppress for the sake of communism and state atheism, they can kill for anything. Why is this even controversial?
Because they did not kill in the name of their godlessness even if they could have “killed for anything”.
[/quote]
They can certainely, and did, target the religious.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
pat wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
They’re all fucking ridiculous. There are probably more deaths committed in the name of Christianity than those in any others.
Not this stupid shit again…Do you forget your prominent athiest pals like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, etc. No one, by a large margin has killed more people that athiests…I mean it’s not even close.
Yup, and that is all you have, even though you know how weak an argument it is.
Sounds strong to me.
That says a lot more about you than about the strength of the argument.
I might as well call the Holocaust the result of Hitlers vegetarianism for he did not kill in the name of vegetarianism either.
What’s Hitler to do with the above?[/quote]
He was a vegetarian and he did bad things.
So there.
And PETA.
I rest my case.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
If the Godless can kill and oppress for the sake of communism and state atheism, they can kill for anything. Why is this even controversial?
Because they did not kill in the name of their godlessness even if they could have “killed for anything”.
They can certainely, and did, target the religious. [/quote]
And social democrats, and Jews, and Ukranians, and intellectuals…
[quote]orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
pat wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
They’re all fucking ridiculous. There are probably more deaths committed in the name of Christianity than those in any others.
Not this stupid shit again…Do you forget your prominent athiest pals like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, etc. No one, by a large margin has killed more people that athiests…I mean it’s not even close.
Yup, and that is all you have, even though you know how weak an argument it is.
Sounds strong to me.
That says a lot more about you than about the strength of the argument.
I might as well call the Holocaust the result of Hitlers vegetarianism for he did not kill in the name of vegetarianism either.
What’s Hitler to do with the above?
He was a vegetarian and he did bad things.
So there.
And PETA.
I rest my case.
[/quote]
What’s that have to do with state atheism?