Islam Needs to Prove It's a Religion of Peace

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
pat wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
pat wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

They’re all fucking ridiculous. There are probably more deaths committed in the name of Christianity than those in any others.

Not this stupid shit again…Do you forget your prominent athiest pals like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, etc. No one, by a large margin has killed more people that athiests…I mean it’s not even close.

Yes, I will bring it up every fucking time atheists claim the upper hand on morality and reason. As a matter of fact can you find even one example of a place ruled by an atheist that wasn’t completely corrupt and evil? I can’t.

I tend to think atheists are fools. If all you trust is you weenie little five senses and your limited ability to think and reason, then you have to be nothing but narrow minded. There is more to sense, then you can sense and there is more to know then you can know. Just because God does dress up a like an idiot and dance to your whims does not mean He does not exist.

At the very least, if you cannot find suitable evidence, agnosticism would be the only reasonable thing to be. Atheism means you have to know it all to be sure. You don’t and no one does.

Every one of those was brought up in a religious household. Maybe that is the problem as we have seen that both Atheists and Religious folks brought up in religious households have been responsible for atrocities. What is the common denominator?

They all became atheists. I thought that was obvious.

The instigators of the Spanish Inquisition became atheist?[/quote]

No just the ones who committed the most murders and biggest atrocities.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

The violence comes from the greed, the squabbles and petty rivalries. Religion is just a vehicle for it.[/quote]

Got any evidence of that? I’ve never seen it. Considering most of the terrorist are poor and willing to die for the “cause”.

[quote]pat wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:

The violence comes from the greed, the squabbles and petty rivalries. Religion is just a vehicle for it.

Got any evidence of that? I’ve never seen it. Considering most of the terrorist are poor and willing to die for the “cause”.[/quote]

Yes of course, the Bin Laden’s are renowned for being poor. The Ayatollah Komene lived in abject poverty and the Pope is well known for not having a pot to piss in.

Oh and for anyone that wants to claim that there are no Chrisitan terrorist groups, you have obviously never visited India.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1090225/jsp/northeast/story_10583993.jsp

Link to a story about NSCN(I-M) which is a Christian terrorist organization backed by Australian andd and American missionaries. NSCN(I-M)'s motto is ‘Nagalim for Christ’ i.e., to separate the state of Nagaland from India and establish a Christian fundamentalist state called Nagalim

Some more examples of the peace and loving message of Christ being spread in the world

[i]Conversion Tactics
Conversion Tactics ? Violence

While Christian Missionaries preach of peace, love and harmony, their most effective tool for conversions is violence and they will not hesitate to use it. There are hundreds of violent attacks by Christian Missionaries every year. Most of these attacks can be categorized into the following:

  1. Divide & Convert (Tahiti) ? One of the most efficient way and brutal ways that Missionaries have converted large amounts of people is by dividing and conquering. Missionaries will persuade a leader of a tribe that they will arm him and allow him to defeat a rival tribal if he converts to Christianity. After the conquering and pillaging of the opposing tribe, under the rule of the converted leader, both tribes convert to Christianity. One classical example occurred is the story of how the South Pacific was converted:

In 1797, thirty years after the discovery of Tahiti by Wallis, the first missionaries landed on the island. The missionaries, sent by the London Missionary Society, tried for seven years to convert the natives but were unable to make any headway.

It was then that they discovered, as if by miracle, the proper method of converting the Tahitians. They discovered that the local chief, Pomare, liked alcohol (distilled by the missionaries) so much that he became an alcoholic. Addicted to the distilled spirit (perhaps the “holy” spirit), Pomare agreed to back the missionaries in their work of conversion. Pomare, supplied with western firearms, easily subdued his native opponents. Upon his victory over his rivals, the whole island was forcibly converted in one day.

Then the process of inculcating “Christian virtues” began. Persistent unbelievers, those who refused to be converted, were executed. Singing was banned (except for hymns) and all forms of adornment, flowers or tattoo were disallowed. Of course, surfing and dancing were not permitted as well. The punishment for breaking any of these rules included, among others, being sentenced to hard labor.

Within thirty years of missionary control, the population of Tahiti fell from an initial estimate of 20,000 to 6,000. On another island, Raiatea, a man who was able to forecast the weather by studying the behavior of fish was executed for witchcraft. The missionaries continued this tactic from island to island and managed to convert the whole South Pacific.

Though this method was used centuries ago, it is still a commonly used tactic used by Christian Missionaries in tribal areas of Asia and Africa.

  1. Terrorist Organizations (North-East India) ? These relatively small armed tribal groups are eventually nurtured by Missionaries into violent and sadistic terrorist groups:

On December 4th, 2000, Christians converts under the direction of Missionaries, desecrated an ashram (Hindu religious retreat) set up by murdered Hindu leader Shanti Kumar Tripura. . They desecrated Hindu idols and destroyed photos of the slain religious leader revered by both Hindu tribals and Bengalis. The Christian converts also raped two female devotees and brutally attacked two men who had come to the ashram for puja (religious rituals).

The next day, Christian converts brutally desecrated another ashram at Jirania Khola and forced the inmates to stop all Hindu rituals and practices at gunpoint. A group of seven armed converted Christian terrorists barged into the ashram and threatened the 150 Hindus with dire consequences if they continued to perform Hindu rites at the ashram. The terrorists fled only after a large group of locals rushed to the ashram.

Due to threats by violent Missionaries and their Christian converts, altogether 11 ashrams, schools and orphanages set up by the murdered Hindu leader in various parts of the state have been forcibly closed down by the Christian fundamentalist terrorist organization known as ?National Liberation Front of Tripura? (NLFT).

In early October the same Christian fundamentalists had issued a diktat ordering the indigenous tribal Hindus to stay away from Durga Puja celebrations (Hindu Festival) and warned that any tribal members seen taking part in the festival would be instantly killed. In its official public statement, the NLFT said it wanted all tribals in Tripura to become Christians. They also stated that salvation for Tripura lies only in Christianity and would eliminate anyone who dared to come in the way of their plans to forcibly convert all of Tripura to Christianity.

NFLT is still an active and powerful terrorist organization that operates in Northeast India. They have converted many Hindus and tribals forcibly at gunpoint, and are involved in rapes, and assassinations. They continue to receive arms as well as moral and financial support from Western Christian organizations and Missionaries.

  1. Manhunts (South America) - Another method, aptly called “manhunt”, involves the missionaries going out, sometimes in motorized vehicles, hunting for natives to integrate them into reservations set up for missionary work. The New Tribes Mission (NTM), for instance, went on such a manhunt in Paraguay. Five missionized natives were killed in one such manhunt. Those unconverted natives were taken to the NTM camp in Campo Loro. Within a short while, according to Survival International, all had died of new diseases they had no immunity to. Stung by criticism, the best reply the NTM 's Director in Paraguay could muster was: “We don’t go after people anymore. We just provide transport.”

In another such “manhunt” in 1979, also in Paraguay, one of the frightened natives fell down from a tree and broke her leg. (Her right breast had already been shot off by a previous encounter with the missionaries.) She was compelled, with her broken leg, to walk back to the mission camp. She subsequently died.

  1. Kidnappings - In conjunction with the “manhunt”, converted natives are trained by the missionaries to carry guns. The “newly contacted” natives are then rounded off to the mission camp. One American organization, Cultural Survival, reported in 1986 that natives in the NTM camp in Paraguay kidnapped and forced into missionary schools.

  2. Forced Captivity ? In one such Missionary camp, a witness described the situation of the kidnapped captives:

?I ? saw two old ladies lying on some rags on the ground in the last stages of emaciation and clearly on the verge of death. One was unconscious, the second in what was evidently a state of catalepsy…In the second hut lay another woman, also in a desperate condition and with untreated wounds on her legs. A small, naked, tearful boy sat at her side…The three women and the boy had been taken in a recent forest roundup, the third woman having being shot in the side while attempting to escape.?

  1. Genocide (Brazil) ? There are many accounts of genocide committed by Missionaries but they rarely reported in Christian media because of the perverse nature of the crime and because they are usually committed against remote tribals. One of the most horrific massacres was of Brazilian tribals by the grossly misnamed Indian Protection Service, which Christian Missionaries supported and often assisted in killings.

In just a few years, the following tribes population was reduced due to Missionary genocide:

? Munducurus tribe: reduced from 19,000 to 1,200
? Guaranis tribe: reduced from 5,000 to 200
? Cajaras tribe: from 4,000 to 400
? Cintas Largas: from 10,000 to 500
? Tapaiunas: completely extirpated
? Other tribes were reduced to only a few (one or two!) individuals and some by only a single family.

The Missionaries employed some of the following methods in their killings:

? The Cintas Largas were attacked by dropping dynamites from airplanes.
? The Maxacalis were given alcohol and then shot down when they became drunk.
? The Nhambiquera were killed in huge numbers by machine gun fire.
? Two Patachos tribes were exterminated by giving the unsuspecting Indians smallpox injections.
? Some of the Indians were murdered by presenting them with food laced with arsenic and formicides.
? One missionary persuaded 600 Ticuna Indians that the end of the world is taking place and they will only be safe on a ranch. On that ranch the Indians were made slaves and tortured.
? The Bororos tribe was banned from performing customary religious rites on the dead. Deprived of their cultural identity, the Bororos, instead of converting, committed suicide on by one, until the tribe was extinct.

  1. Intentional Denial of Medicines- In another New Tribes Mission (NTM) mission camp, many of the natives either died from starvation or from diseases transmitted by the missionaries for which they had no immunity against. In one such mission camp in Paraguay, the German anthropologist, Dr. Mark Munzel, reported that food and medicine were deliberately withheld by the missionaries. From a total of 277 natives in April 1972 only 202 survivors were left three months later. A US congressional report confirmed that 49% of the camp population had vanished!

In Bolivia, William Pencille, of the South American Missionary Society, was called in to help when white ranchers moving into the tribal areas came upon the Ayoreos. Pencille persuaded these natives to stop resisting the encroachment of the cattlemen and to settle on a patch of barren land beside a railroad tract. The natives, having no resistance to common diseases of the “modern” man, began to die. Throughout all this Pencille had the means to save the lives of these people. He had access to many modes of transport, including an airplane, and to funds which could easily have been used to buy medicines for them. Yet this is what he said: “It’s better they should die. Then I baptize them (on the point of death) and they go straight to heaven.”

Summary
The above is only a small sampling of the atrocities that have been committed by Missionaries. It can be seen that Missionaries do not hesitate rape, torture, enslave and murder in order to forcibly spread Christianity. Though all these events occurred in the past, some occurred as recently as only a few years ago, and they still continue today on an even larger scale unreported by Western media.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

In exactly the same way that Stalin used nationalism and communism to drive his agendas.[/quote]

And atheism!

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

Summary
The above is only a small sampling of the atrocities that have been committed by Missionaries. It can be seen that Missionaries do not hesitate rape, torture, enslave and murder in order to forcibly spread Christianity. Though all these events occurred in the past, some occurred as recently as only a few years ago, and they still continue today on an even larger scale unreported by Western media.

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Could you source this, please?

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:

In exactly the same way that Stalin used nationalism and communism to drive his agendas.

And atheism![/quote]

Yes, he was atheist and he felt that the control that the church had over the state was a problem.

I agree with him. The control that religion has over the state in pretty much every major country is a problem.

His methods however I don’t agree with.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:

In exactly the same way that Stalin used nationalism and communism to drive his agendas.

And atheism!

Yes, he was atheist and he felt that the control that the church had over the state was a problem.

I agree with him. The control that religion has over the state in pretty much every major country is a problem.

His methods however I don’t agree with.[/quote]

Bloody, bloody, hands!

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:

Summary
The above is only a small sampling of the atrocities that have been committed by Missionaries. It can be seen that Missionaries do not hesitate rape, torture, enslave and murder in order to forcibly spread Christianity. Though all these events occurred in the past, some occurred as recently as only a few years ago, and they still continue today on an even larger scale unreported by Western media.

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Could you source this, please? [/quote]

Yes, source please.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:

In exactly the same way that Stalin used nationalism and communism to drive his agendas.

And atheism!

Yes, he was atheist and he felt that the control that the church had over the state was a problem.

I agree with him. The control that religion has over the state in pretty much every major country is a problem.

His methods however I don’t agree with.[/quote]

The U.S. has separation of church and state, right? I don’t get the point.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Some more examples of the peace and loving message of Christ being spread in the world

[i]Conversion Tactics
Conversion Tactics ? Violence

While Christian Missionaries preach of peace, love and harmony, their most effective tool for conversions is violence and they will not hesitate to use it. There are hundreds of violent attacks by Christian Missionaries every year. Most of these attacks can be categorized into the following:

  1. Divide & Convert (Tahiti) ? One of the most efficient way and brutal ways that Missionaries have converted large amounts of people is by dividing and conquering. Missionaries will persuade a leader of a tribe that they will arm him and allow him to defeat a rival tribal if he converts to Christianity. After the conquering and pillaging of the opposing tribe, under the rule of the converted leader, both tribes convert to Christianity. One classical example occurred is the story of how the South Pacific was converted:

In 1797, thirty years after the discovery of Tahiti by Wallis, [/i][/quote]

Once again, 1797.

How about a source for this article?

And while you’re at it, how about an article to back up the statement that the Dalai Lama was a dictator who tortured his subjects…(from a ridiculous statement from another thread).

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:

Summary
The above is only a small sampling of the atrocities that have been committed by Missionaries. It can be seen that Missionaries do not hesitate rape, torture, enslave and murder in order to forcibly spread Christianity. Though all these events occurred in the past, some occurred as recently as only a few years ago, and they still continue today on an even larger scale unreported by Western media.

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Could you source this, please? [/quote]

He’s reaching.

That’s about it on that. He saying there are bad Christians out there…Who knew! So because there are bad Christians. So the fact that, say for the sake of argument only 1% or 1,200,000 million muslims are violent and want to kill us is no biggie.

Yeah, I’m not holding my breath for Muslims to condemn the invasion and sack of Constantinople…

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

Summary
The above is only a small sampling of the atrocities that have been committed by Missionaries. It can be seen that Missionaries do not hesitate rape, torture, enslave and murder in order to forcibly spread Christianity. Though all these events occurred in the past, some occurred as recently as only a few years ago, and they still continue today on an even larger scale unreported by Western media.

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Interesting it says “unreported by WESTERN media.” Which leads me to believe it’s either Islamic or Red anti-Christian propaganda.

Hell, maybe the KGB put it out.

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Some more examples of the peace and loving message of Christ being spread in the world

[i]Conversion Tactics
Conversion Tactics ? Violence

While Christian Missionaries preach of peace, love and harmony, their most effective tool for conversions is violence and they will not hesitate to use it. There are hundreds of violent attacks by Christian Missionaries every year. Most of these attacks can be categorized into the following:

  1. Divide & Convert (Tahiti) ? One of the most efficient way and brutal ways that Missionaries have converted large amounts of people is by dividing and conquering. Missionaries will persuade a leader of a tribe that they will arm him and allow him to defeat a rival tribal if he converts to Christianity. After the conquering and pillaging of the opposing tribe, under the rule of the converted leader, both tribes convert to Christianity. One classical example occurred is the story of how the South Pacific was converted:

In 1797, thirty years after the discovery of Tahiti by Wallis, [/i]

Once again, 1797.

How about a source for this article?

And while you’re at it, how about an article to back up the statement that the Dalai Lama was a dictator who tortured his subjects…(from a ridiculous statement from another thread). [/quote]

Ok the Dalai Lama was unelected and yet held complete power. That makes him a dictator. He was part of a system that deliberately supressed advancement of Tibet in order to maintain control (he didn’t have much choice at the young age that he was picked but he could have rejected the system as he got older.)

He accepted 170 Million Yen as a donation from Shoko Asahara

read the link for details of how nice a guy he is. Shoko Asahara - Wikipedia

He has accepted money to state that Steven Seagal is a reincarnated Lama

He supported India carrying out Thermonuclear Testing.

He has used Hollywood’s naievety to paint a picture of Tibet being a peaceful idyl instead of a land of starving peasents supporting a religious class.

And worse than any of this he thinks masturbation and oral sex is evil.

OK so no response to the Indian Telegraph story?

How is talking about the horrible actions of the NFLT reaching? I don’t hear Christian leaders coming out against them. They must condone it (this is the argument you make about Islam.)

You ask for a source, but can find it yourself with a simple google search.

Of course the reason that these attrocities are happening is not actually Christianity, it is people using Christianity.

In Brasil for instance, the missionaries are alongside prospectors who want access to rubber and logging.

Ah, he’s not a dictator, he’s a spiritual leader.

How did he suppress Tibet’s advancement? They had been living that way for centuries. Are you saying life is better under the Communists?

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
JamFly wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
JamFly wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
By the way, two soldiers killed in Antrim by the REAL IRA.

Another two chalked up for Christianity, the religion of peace, love, and harmony.

No doubt.

What does the IRA have to do with religion? It’s a political issue dipshit.

Yes, you fucking douche, it is. A political issue with deep ties to the root problem, which is the Protestant and Catholic divide. Without the religion issue, there’s no political issue. Got it cock?

So the IRA are motivated to kill Protestants because their religion says so? I wonder why there are not more Catholics all over the world killing Protestants because God told them to? Did you know one of the soldiers killed was Catholic???

Hillarious - people like you are the reason the US receives such negative sterotypes.

You completely ignored what I said and made up your own shit. You must be the reason everyone thinks that Scots are drunks.[/quote]

You say “without the religious issue there is no political issue” - don’t you see how stupid this statement is? Don’t you think the fact that one country has siezed 1/4 of their neighbours country has ANYTHING to do with the issue? Sure the fact that the Irish Republic is 99% Catholic and those loyal to the UK Queen and Country are Protestant doesn’t help but it is in NO WAY the reason for setting bombs and the killing - we have an identically parallel Catholic/Prodestant situation here on the West Coast of Scotland and guess what they hate each other but no-one gets bombed or killed. Shit I cannot believe I have to type this!

“Everyone thinks the Scots are drunks” That’s a new one on me or maybe you were thinking of the Irish which is a country next door to Scotland - you were close.

[quote]JamFly wrote:
“Everyone thinks the Scots are drunks” That’s a new one on me or maybe you were thinking of the Irish which is a country next door to Scotland - you were close. [/quote]

Let’s say that you’re too cheap to afford an education.

Happy now?

You deserve it, infidel!!!