Thanks for the heads up. Florida, a little too far to drive. I’m in Michigan. And shipping on these is a killer. I’d probably pay more to get it shipped than the cost of the machine. I’ve done that before. But the machine cost was one hell of a deal. $235 for an Avenger Leg Curl. Scott is in Virginia, I believe. I might do that trip. For the right price.
Yeah, AJ and Nautilus had their flaws. But they sure are interesting aren’t they?
I would still get an arms up compound bicep if it was a reasonable price Hutchins or not. I just think both are cool machines. I never had one to try so I don’t know how effective they were. I have the plate loaded bi-tri and while I like it it still has some issues. Even though they said the plate loader was the best they still admitted it still had issues but sales ruled so it went into production anyway . Then they came out with the Multis and didn’t correct the same issues the plate loader had. Same story with a few MedX. I don’t think Nautilus ever made a bicep machine that came up to Jones or Hutchins expectations. Jones had this next to impossible idea for a bicep machine that they simply couldn’t make.
I had a multi bicep years ago but it was a wreck so I gave it away . The one I have now is much better shape. I basically got it just to try and emulate the 2,seater and I think it closely approximates it as well as I hoped it would . I also like that each arm is independent unlike my plate loading tricep. The more I fool with the multi the more I like it. I think the pad is too high but I can stand up or crank the seat way up .
As for Renex and superslow , I think Hutchins was a great machine builder and thinker but not so great a promoter . Renex sort of shot it’s self in the foot with it’s crazy ways . People just didn’t enjoy training the way the pocket protector team wanted them to.
The best bicep machine now? Possibly a Machine Michael Petrella has called something like Ironcore or something like that?
Scott
“Yeah, AJ and Nautilus had their flaws. But they sure are interesting aren’t they?”
Yes they are and as for flaws I don’t think I’ve had a nautilus machine that I didn’t have to tweak to make it work right for me .I’m still constantly saying why the heck did they make this that way or they could have easily moved this this way it that .
If I’m reading this stuff correctly Jones thought the bicep was strongest in the contracted position hense his arms up design but it was later found not to be.
The Iron Core Strength Biceps machine: I have not had a chance to try it yet. Although a guy near me has one. So, I can’t speak to the “feel” or strength curve of it. The 2 things I think make it different just by looking at it are: (1) the rotating handles allowing you to do hammer or reverse curls in addition to any degree up to full supination you want and (2) being able to counter-balance the movement arm to produce a fall-off of the resistance curve at the top. But, it’s a custom made 1 at time piece. So, the price would be more than a mass produced machine. It is being made by the son of Tyler Hobson (with help from dad I’d guess) who designs and prototypes the Pendulum machines for Rogers Athletic. Which is an outstanding Plate-Loaded line.
I would love to incorporate some of those revolving handles on my machines . One thing I don’t like about the Multi bicep is the handles don’t spin or rotate with the grip. You sort of have to let it slide in your hands from the bottom to the top. It seems now the arms should be down like the Iron Core machine as that is the biceps strongest position but even it has somewhat of same problem as the plate loader Nautilus when your hands get to the top of the movement they almost smack you in the face. On the plate loader you have to bend your head back so as to not get hit in the face with the handle . They should have figured something better on that part of the movement.
Scott
Does someone know how to tag this arm up thread to the other thread called nautilus and other machines ,
Scott
Nautilus eventually did with this 2ST Preacher Curl.
Ahh I’ve never seen one of those! It would be interesting to see how well it works! Now I’ve got to research and try one of those!
Scott
On the nautilus nitro, I actually put my head down and forward and bring my hands past my head as much as I can and squeeze at the contraction
Scott,
I have extensively trained on the 2ST and Nitro preachercurl machines - and they are indeed well working machines. The leverage is great and it’s fairly easy to find your position on the seat. One very minor flaw is that the joint attachment to the parallell bar can lock slightly in the upper third of the movement. This can make the upmost movement a bit sluggish. Other than that it is a fine piece of machinery. Recommended.
I guess I’ll just have to find one of these to see if it’s really any improvement over what I have . The search for Nautilus machines never ends, ha ha !!
Scott
pettersson,
We’ve had the 2ST Preacher Curl and 9 other 2ST machines in our high school weight room for 15 years. Never had the issue you’re talking about. I really like most of the 2ST line, better than most of the NITRO line (with some exceptions). The grip on the Preacher Curl is what I was pointing out to Scott. I agree, they’re damn good machines.
It works pretty well using it 1 arm at a time also. Super Smooth Technology.
I don’t think you can get better than what you already have, 
Probably not! Ha ha ! I’m sure my wife would throw me out of the house or call Bellview if I now dragged home a Nautilus 2st !
Scott
Any friction associated with any machine compromises the negative portion of the exercise.
IMO, the best curl “machine” is a Scott Bench altered to be about 20 degrees shy of vertical, using a barbell (curl bar if you prefer) and chains added to provide variable resistance. There is no friction to impede the negative effect.
If you want to make your wife happy, ship all those machines you have to stuart florida,
Cool stuff. I always hear about Chains and variable resistance for “strength” and “performance” training but not a lot for Bodybuilding.
Do you use the chains for any other lifts?
Before my hip replacement (both hips), I liked squating with either bands and/or chains. The top of the squat always seemed too easy.
But for the most part, from a bodybuilding perspective, I only used chains on Scott curls.
I use a monster blue resistance band on my Nautilus leverage leg press
Makes the last 1/4 range of movement very hard to complete
I since rediscovered stage reps which does the same thing safer, however sequential muscle fiber recruitment is prominently incorporated
Sometimes when I start to fatigue on my leveraged leg press, I will use the top 1/3 of motion for stage reps before ending the set. 1 1/4 reps I also use at times.