[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BUSHMASTER wrote:
I think its pretty funny that someone would replace carbs with protein seeing as though they both contain 4cal per gram. So what you basically did was swap out what type of macronutrient your taking in without changing the calories. How many calories you taking in in a day? Whats the macronutrient breakdown? Protein/carbohydrates/fat? without those numbers no one can help you!
Those numbers don’t even matter BECAUSE HIS WEIGHT HAS NOT CHANGED. Whatever the “number” is now, it isn’t enough. That “number” also changes based on activity levels and the gain of lean body mass so it can never be a constant.
He should be focusing on WHY he thinks he will somehow completely exchange all fat for muscle simply by increasing protein intake but decreasing carbs.
X, maybe you can help me out. I have a wallet. every week I put 5, 20’s into it and this meets my budget perfectly. I changed to 2, 50’s, my budget hasn’t changed, but I am not getting any richer…
I didn’t have any 50’s before, and now I have two of them…
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Silly rabbit. You can only become richer if you specifically separate your wallet into a two $30 dollar sections and a $40.
It also helps if when you pay for things, you chuck your entire wallet at them. Do full wallet throws three times a week and avoid any isolated incidents of using a single one dollar bill for purchases.
You’ll be rich in no time.
By the way, my book “Total Wallet Throws” will be out next month.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
<<< It is because of those mistakes that I know my limitations now. I wouldn’t trade that for anything.[/quote]
This came up a while ago and some guys were bitching about how wrong this was and how beneficial it is to be able to learn from the mistakes of the others and escape that learning process. The thing is nobody listens anyway.
I’m still convinced that guys who will do well long term in this game would do better with practically no information for their first 6 - 12 months than too much.
In this case it’s a very rare guy who makes really major gains without ever being softer than they liked regardless of what anybody reads or thinks.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BUSHMASTER wrote:
I think its pretty funny that someone would replace carbs with protein seeing as though they both contain 4cal per gram. So what you basically did was swap out what type of macronutrient your taking in without changing the calories. How many calories you taking in in a day? Whats the macronutrient breakdown? Protein/carbohydrates/fat? without those numbers no one can help you!
Those numbers don’t even matter BECAUSE HIS WEIGHT HAS NOT CHANGED. Whatever the “number” is now, it isn’t enough. That “number” also changes based on activity levels and the gain of lean body mass so it can never be a constant.
He should be focusing on WHY he thinks he will somehow completely exchange all fat for muscle simply by increasing protein intake but decreasing carbs.
X, maybe you can help me out. I have a wallet. every week I put 5, 20’s into it and this meets my budget perfectly. I changed to 2, 50’s, my budget hasn’t changed, but I am not getting any richer…
I didn’t have any 50’s before, and now I have two of them…
Silly rabbit. You can only become richer if you specifically separate your wallet into a two $30 dollar sections and a $40.
It also helps if when you pay for things, you chuck your entire wallet at them. Do full wallet throws three times a week and avoid any isolated incidents of using a single one dollar bill for purchases.
You’ll be rich in no time.
By the way, my book “Total Wallet Throws” will be out next month. [/quote]
you are full of shit. Isolation of one dollar bills is all that matters. The macro budget is immaterial. It isn’t the whole thing that matters, ignore the big budget picture and isolate…
I have a millionaire friend and he keeps telling me to look at the whole picture, but he is genetically lucky. What does he know?
I went to a homeless dude for advice though. He had a fortune magazine he was using as a blanket, but it was fortune magazine.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It also helps if when you pay for things, you chuck your entire wallet at them. Do full wallet throws three times a week and avoid any isolated incidents of using a single one dollar bill for purchases.
You’ll be rich in no time.
By the way, my book “Total Wallet Throws” will be out next month. [/quote]
Lol, wonder if this is going to spark “the argument” again
you are full of shit. Isolation of one dollar bills is all that matters. The macro budget is immaterial. It isn’t the whole thing that matters, ignore the big budget picture and isolate…
I have a millionaire friend and he keeps telling me to look at the whole picture, but he is genetically lucky. What does he know?
I went to a homeless dude for advice though. He had a fortune magazine he was using as a blanket, but it was fortune magazine.
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Gasp The nerve of some people! Isolated dollar bills should be removed from economic circulation. Only big stupid bankers use isolated dollar bills…and they were BORN RICH. They might also use illegal lending practices but I won’t go there!!
[quote]Mcflurry wrote:
Just looking for some input. About 2 months ago I added more protein into my diet while dramatically reducing the amount of carbs, and keeping my calories the same overall. It didn’t do anything for my composition…im still 190 and %13 bf.
Has anyone else had a similiar experience, or am i alone?
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Protein isn’t overrated as far as nutrients go. It is overrated as far as most BBers tend to treat it in their diet.
i hope he’s asking if protein powder is overrated. If he just means protein in general than that is truly a stupid question, especially on a message board as this one.
I’d just be curious to see what would happen if you dramatically reduced your protein intake for a reasonable amount of time while keeping your calories the same…has anybody here done that?
[quote]Mcflurry wrote:
I’d just be curious to see what would happen if you dramatically reduced your protein intake for a reasonable amount of time while keeping your calories the same…has anybody here done that?
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We have discussed this before. Several times. Most recent time in the t-cell, I believe.
[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
I know this isn’t the tread to ask this, but PX, how is the dieting going?
GJ[/quote]
Slowly. I’m actually not trying to drop weight quickly. I spent two weeks seeing if I could maintain my body weight on the foods I had planned. To be honest, it would help if I didn’t feel fine about where I am right now. I like being this size and I like the attention. It really isn’t that much of a priority to me to be super lean. I would rather look like Kevin Nee at his heaviest weight (as far as condition) than some Abercrombie model.
With that said, I am going to add cardio in more frequently starting this week.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Gymjunkie wrote:
I know this isn’t the tread to ask this, but PX, how is the dieting going?
GJ
Slowly. I’m actually not trying to drop weight quickly. I spent two weeks seeing if I could maintain my body weight on the foods I had planned. To be honest, it would help if I didn’t feel fine about where I am right now. I like being this size and I like the attention. It really isn’t that much of a priority to me to be super lean. I would rather look like Kevin Nee at his heaviest weight (as far as condition) than some Abercrombie model.
With that said, I am going to add cardio in more frequently starting this week.[/quote]
Ah, I know what you mean. I think taking it slower is a better idea, unless you had a comp to diet for etc. Less chance of losing muscle too.
I know that the mirror is your real guide in terms of bf levels, but by %…what’s your goal there to be comfortable? 8-10% Im guessing…
Re cardio, many, including Poliquin, recommend NOT doing low intensity cardio due to it leading to further stressing your body out and leading to muscle loss in the long run, even if you lose fat with it.
Having said that…I’d imagine that as with many reco’s this is individual ey. I know now that I stopped cardio while dieting and rather focusing on lactate work, Iv’e gained muscle and still lost fat.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Gymjunkie wrote:
I know this isn’t the tread to ask this, but PX, how is the dieting going?
GJ
Slowly. I’m actually not trying to drop weight quickly. I spent two weeks seeing if I could maintain my body weight on the foods I had planned. To be honest, it would help if I didn’t feel fine about where I am right now. I like being this size and I like the attention. It really isn’t that much of a priority to me to be super lean. I would rather look like Kevin Nee at his heaviest weight (as far as condition) than some Abercrombie model.
With that said, I am going to add cardio in more frequently starting this week.[/quote]
Won’t your body comp just continue to improve if you keep calories the same and keep lifting?
How come people here often say 2 grams for a pounds of bodyweight while the literature I have read states 1.6-2 grams for a kilo/2.2 pounds? Although I once came across a book that said “at least” 2 grams for a kilogram,but it was not expertly. Besides,does the fat weight have to be fed too?
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Gymjunkie wrote:
I know this isn’t the tread to ask this, but PX, how is the dieting going?
GJ
Slowly. I’m actually not trying to drop weight quickly. I spent two weeks seeing if I could maintain my body weight on the foods I had planned. To be honest, it would help if I didn’t feel fine about where I am right now. I like being this size and I like the attention. It really isn’t that much of a priority to me to be super lean. I would rather look like Kevin Nee at his heaviest weight (as far as condition) than some Abercrombie model.
With that said, I am going to add cardio in more frequently starting this week.
Won’t your body comp just continue to improve if you keep calories the same and keep lifting? [/quote]
If you are looking for some blanket statement reply, the answer is NO. This has a lot to do with genetics, stage of training and diet. Someone who easily gains more muscle and is naturally leaner will likely be able to see some physical changes involving a loss of body fat and a gain in muscle. Someone who does not fall into that category may not.
I was originally a lean skinny kid. My body tends to move back to that when I stop taking in a surplus of calories. So, for me, yes, if I keep my calories here, months later I will likely be leaner than I am right now at the same weight but it is a very slow process.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
How come people here often say 2 grams for a pounds of bodyweight while the literature I have read states 1.6-2 grams for a kilo/2.2 pounds? Although I once came across a book that said “at least” 2 grams for a kilogram,but it was not expertly. Besides,does the fat weight have to be fed too?[/quote]
Let me ask you a question, do you think someone trying to gain the most muscle possible should follow a guideline written for athletes who do NOT have a goal of gaining the most muscle possible? Most athletes are not trying to gain another 20-30-50lbs of lean body mass.
On a side note, fat tissue does not have any real metabolic requirement unless you’re carrying around a shit ton of extra weight and the fat makes walking around a workout. I’ve often wondered if those general guidelines took composition into consideration at all. Someone who is 30% body fat is going to have a much lower protein requirement than someone who is 5% body fat and the same weight.
If you’re eating what should be enough calories to grow, but not getting enough protein, you’re a vegetarian a moron or going out of your way not to somehow. This can’t be this tough.
People engaged in meaningful resistance training need more protein than people who aren’t of course, but it does not require a high end scientific formula to do it.
