[quote]BUSHMASTER wrote:
X- Not argueing with you but whether you watch your calories or not they do matter. I do agree he is at maintainence calories and needs to therefore add more apparently. To say the numbers don’t matter, I don’t agree with. I also don’t count my calories on a daily basis, although I know roughly where I sit within 300cal which makes it helpful for me to know how much to add to bulk and how much to cut out to lose.[/quote]
Worrying about what SPECIFIC NUMBER your calories are at is not something newbies need to be concerned about. If you are an advanced athlete getting ready for competition and the slightest marginal error can wreck your progress, then yes, get a calculator and get hyperspecific with your diet.
Way too many of these guys become paralyzed because of this notion that you need everything perfectly mapped out like a physics experiment before they ever make any progress. This is NOT necessary and in most cases counterproductive.
Does this really need further explanation? You aren’t talking to someone uneducated or new at this.
Whey protein has been shown to increase insulin levels and besides it’s fast absorption is why it is toted as “the best” post workout shake. All other proteins from my understanding, especially meat based have little to no impact on insulin levels. If you are however, eating 3000 calories above your maintenance level and your diet is 100% protein, yes your body will find a way to put that on as fat irregardless of the fact that it is not influencing your insulin/blood sugar levels.
X- I know your educated at this I have read many of your threads and I’d like to think I am fairly educated at it as well. We just do it differently. No further explanation needed, carry on.
[quote]Da Vinci wrote:
Whey protein has been shown to increase insulin levels and besides it’s fast absorption is why it is toted as “the best” post workout shake. All other proteins from my understanding, especially meat based have little to no impact on insulin levels. .[/quote]
Some amino acids can increase insulin, but nowhere near what a large amount of carbs will. That is the point I was making earlier. The previous poster wrote what he did as if the body responds the same to protein as it does carbs. This is false.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:
Obviously everyone has their “at one sitting” limit. What does the body do with a surplus and how is it handled?
Stored as fat or excreted. If protein caused the same insulin response as carbs, there would be no logic to decreasing carbs at all when dieting. It is the insulin spikes that we are trying to avoid when dropping body fat.[/quote]
Stored as fat? What is the mechanism for that process? Isn’t that the liver’s function (via insulin)?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:
Obviously everyone has their “at one sitting” limit. What does the body do with a surplus and how is it handled?
Stored as fat or excreted. If protein caused the same insulin response as carbs, there would be no logic to decreasing carbs at all when dieting. It is the insulin spikes that we are trying to avoid when dropping body fat.
Stored as fat? What is the mechanism for that process? Isn’t that the liver’s function (via insulin)?[/quote]
Get a biology book and an A&P book, college level.
If protein requirements are exceeded by the protein intake of the individual, the surplus amino acids may be converted to glucose for energy use, or converted to fatty acids and stored as adipose tissue.
Do you know if anyone has ever attempted to verify if whey protein has any associated glycemic index or load since as you stated, some AA’s can influence insulin levels X? Perhaps that would be a useless piece of information since it’s probably so low that it’s negligible but would still be interesting to know.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:
Stored as fat? What is the mechanism for that process? Isn’t that the liver’s function (via insulin)?
Get a biology book and an A&P book, college level.
If protein requirements are exceeded by the protein intake of the individual, the surplus amino acids may be converted to glucose for energy use, or converted to fatty acids and stored as adipose tissue.
This shit ain’t magic.[/quote]
LOL
I know it’s not magic, Doc. I’ve read that the conversion mechanism is insulin.
What you’re saying backs up my previous statement as to why the OP still hasn’t leaned up.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:
Stored as fat? What is the mechanism for that process? Isn’t that the liver’s function (via insulin)?
Get a biology book and an A&P book, college level.
If protein requirements are exceeded by the protein intake of the individual, the surplus amino acids may be converted to glucose for energy use, or converted to fatty acids and stored as adipose tissue.
This shit ain’t magic.
LOL
I know it’s not magic, Doc. I’ve read that the conversion mechanism is insulin.
What you’re saying backs up my previous statement as to why the OP still hasn’t leaned up.
[/quote]
No, this guy doesn’t look any different because he thought your body magically replaced fat with muscle without you ever gaining or losing a pound based on protein intake alone.
I doubt someone that repellent to weight gain is lifting very hard to promote any significant changes.
I kept my training the same the whole time…thought I’d drop %1-2 body fat.
I know protein builds muscle, but how much is too much, and how much is not enough?
It seems like everyone I talk to at the gym just goes with what the next guy says…have any of you expiremented with your diet on your own and seen the side effects? That’s what I’d like to hear:)
[quote]Mcflurry wrote:
I kept my training the same the whole time…thought I’d drop %1-2 body fat.
I know protein builds muscle, but how much is too much, and how much is not enough?
It seems like everyone I talk to at the gym just goes with what the next guy says…have any of you expiremented with your diet on your own and seen the side effects? That’s what I’d like to hear:)[/quote]
There are people I like and respect who will disagree with this, but I see overall calories and being more important to making gains than several hundred grams of protein a day.
Strictly in terms of macronutrient intake, assuming your not getting a very small amount of, most people will make better gains on an overall surplus than simply eating tons of protein.
Especially if you proceed under the utterly erroneous assumption that you can get away with less calories if you simply jack up the protein intake.
Fat and carbs have a very real and complex role in anabolism.
In short, unless you’re getting a truly inadequate amount of protein, I don’t see any benefit in intentionally getting more at the expense of the other macros.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
There are people I like and respect who will disagree with this, but I see overall calories and being more important to making gains than several hundred grams of protein a day.
Strictly in terms of macronutrient intake, assuming your not getting a very small amount of, most people will make better gains on an overall surplus than simply eating tons of protein.
Especially if you proceed under the utterly erroneous assumption that you can get away with less calories if you simply jack up the protein intake.
Fat and carbs have a very real and complex role in anabolism.
In short, unless you’re getting a truly inadequate amount of protein, I don’t see any benefit in intentionally getting more at the expense of the other macros.[/quote]
I made some of the best gains in college with NO protein supplements. Most of these guys aren’t eating enough and protein is not some magic weapon that just piles muscle on you. The primary concern should be overall calories and the realization that you need to gain some weight to gain some muscle mass.
The OP seems to still not understand this concept.
Carbs are protein sparing. They are not evil, neither is the act of the scale going up.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
There are people I like and respect who will disagree with this, but I see overall calories and being more important to making gains than several hundred grams of protein a day.
Strictly in terms of macronutrient intake, assuming your not getting a very small amount of, most people will make better gains on an overall surplus than simply eating tons of protein.
Especially if you proceed under the utterly erroneous assumption that you can get away with less calories if you simply jack up the protein intake.
Fat and carbs have a very real and complex role in anabolism.
In short, unless you’re getting a truly inadequate amount of protein, I don’t see any benefit in intentionally getting more at the expense of the other macros.
I made some of the best gains in college with NO protein supplements. Most of these guys aren’t eating enough and protein is not some magic weapon that just piles muscle on you. The primary concern should be overall calories and the realization that you need to gain some weight to gain some muscle mass.
The OP seems to still not understand this concept.
Carbs are protein sparing. They are not evil, neither is the act of the scale going up.[/quote]
Heh. Eating food: works like a charm.
If you live in a college dorm, it should be no problem to pack in the calories. We had a self-serve ice cream machine. Had I lifted weights back then, I could’ve packed on muscle for pennies.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
If I recall correctly, Prof X lived on Dinty Moore Beef Stew in college.
lol[/quote]
Not even. I wish I had the money for that in college. I would have gained another 20lbs. I couldn’t afford that until Dental school. In college it was the cafeteria (all three meals without fail), Taco Bell, Mc Donald’s and some run down food “shack” on the corner.
I didn’t have a car so it was whatever was in walking distance or what I could con a ride to. I gained a good deal of fat one year by going overboard with that shit (lesson learned…8,000cals a day of hot wings, tacos and hamburgers isn’t the best way to gain mostly muscle).
By senior year I moved into the “good dorms” (the ones with a kitchen…before that, all we had was a microwave we had to hide in the closet). Then I was finally able to cook some of my own food and I leaned up quite a bit.
This is obviously not some recommendation to eat Taco Bell(which I now consider one step above KFC). I am simply stating that some of us do what it takes to see progress while others bitch and complain about not having “optimal conditions”.
It is because of those mistakes that I know my limitations now. I wouldn’t trade that for anything.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
BUSHMASTER wrote:
I think its pretty funny that someone would replace carbs with protein seeing as though they both contain 4cal per gram. So what you basically did was swap out what type of macronutrient your taking in without changing the calories. How many calories you taking in in a day? Whats the macronutrient breakdown? Protein/carbohydrates/fat? without those numbers no one can help you!
Those numbers don’t even matter BECAUSE HIS WEIGHT HAS NOT CHANGED. Whatever the “number” is now, it isn’t enough. That “number” also changes based on activity levels and the gain of lean body mass so it can never be a constant.
He should be focusing on WHY he thinks he will somehow completely exchange all fat for muscle simply by increasing protein intake but decreasing carbs.[/quote]
X, maybe you can help me out. I have a wallet. every week I put 5, 20’s into it and this meets my budget perfectly. I changed to 2, 50’s, my budget hasn’t changed, but I am not getting any richer…
I didn’t have any 50’s before, and now I have two of them…
