Is Iran The Enemy?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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Magrebs, Phoenecians, Assyrians, and the other native inhabitants, who live amongst or mixed with the Arabs are extended full citizenship in their countries.

I think part of the problem in Israel, a large part of it, is Israel as a political body encompasses a large mass of land, and many Muslims live within it however…they are not extended full citizenship rights.

I think that is the main gripe here. It’s less about living alongside Jews or that they don’t have a land right, and more about saying someone is not a full citizen of their own land.

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[quote]hmm, that’s why Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said there were no homosexuals in Iran (Columbia University), i wonder why. It’s either because they were killed or are in fear of being killed. No nation is homo free, sorry.
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I already said that, we already talked about that.

If you can find me evidence of government legislation against gays in Iran, I’ll cede this point and reexamine my opinion.

I don’t see how the government can take any position against a group which does not exist bureacratically within its country.

The Iranian Gov’T doesn’t recognize a gay community in Iran. That’s what Ahlmenijad, said, “WE DONT HAVE GAYS IN IRAN LIKE YOU HAVE GAYS IN THE USA” Ie, there is no LGBT community in Iran.

Their laws barring homosexuality are teh same as US sodomy laws more or less.

BTW Mr. Bicep how much do you straight bar curl?

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[quote]Sikkario wrote:
hmm, that’s why Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said there were no homosexuals in Iran (Columbia University), i wonder why. It’s either because they were killed or are in fear of being killed. No nation is homo free, sorry.

I already said that, we already talked about that.

If you can find me evidence of government legislation against gays in Iran, I’ll cede this point and reexamine my opinion.

I don’t see how the government can take any position against a group which does not exist bureacratically within its country.

The Iranian Gov’T doesn’t recognize a gay community in Iran. That’s what Ahlmenijad, said, “WE DONT HAVE GAYS IN IRAN LIKE YOU HAVE GAYS IN THE USA” Ie, there is no LGBT community in Iran.

Their laws barring homosexuality are teh same as US sodomy laws more or less.

BTW Mr. Bicep how much do you straight bar curl?[/quote]

Male homosexuality

Sodomy is a crime for which both partners can be punished by death, if the participants are adults, of sound mind and consenting; the method of execution is for the Shari’a judge to decide. A non-adult who engages in consensual sodomy is subject to a punishment of 74 lashes. (Articles 108 to 113) Sodomy is proved either if a person confesses four times to having committed sodomy or by the testimony of four righteous men. Testimony of women alone or together with a man does not prove sodomy. (Articles 114 to 119). “Tafhiz” (the rubbing of the thighs or buttocks) and the like committed by two men is punished by 100 lashes. On the fourth occasion, the punishment is death. (Articles 121 and 122). If two men “stand naked under one cover without any necessity”, both are punished with up to 99 lashes; if a man “kisses another with lust” the punishment is 60 lashes. (Articles 123 and 124). If sodomy, or the lesser crimes referred to above, are proved by confession, and the person concerned repents, the Shari’a judge may request that he be pardoned. If a person who has committed the lesser crimes referred to above repents before the giving of testimony by the witnesses, the punishment is quashed. (Articles 125 and 126).

As of 2007, teenagers accused of engaging in sodomy have been executed, although the official rationale for the hangings is debated.

According to The Boroumand Foundation[10], there are records of at least 107 executions with charges related to homosexuality between 1979 and 1990.[11] According to Amnesty International, at least 5 people convicted of “homosexual tendencies”, three men and two women, were executed in January 1990, as a result of the Iranian government’s policy of calling for the execution of those who practice homosexuality.[12] In April 1992, Dr. Ali Mozafarian, a Sunni Muslim leader in the Fars province (Southern Iran), was executed in Shiraz after being convicted on charges of espionage, adultery, and sodomy. His videotaped confession was broadcast on television in Shiraz and in the streets of Kazerun and Lar.

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[quote]Sikkario wrote:
Magrebs, Phoenecians, Assyrians, and the other native inhabitants, who live amongst or mixed with the Arabs are extended full citizenship in their countries.

I think part of the problem in Israel, a large part of it, is Israel as a political body encompasses a large mass of land, and many Muslims live within it however…they are not extended full citizenship rights.

I think that is the main gripe here. It’s less about living alongside Jews or that they don’t have a land right, and more about saying someone is not a full citizen of their own land.[/quote]

who are you kidding. explain to me what jihad is. the islamics are not friendly towards any other religion. the Jews just happen to share the same holy land as the muslims, that’s why we’re seeing so much hate towards the Jews. quite frankly, Israel is a victim that has fought back successfully. The ME is a fucking bully, but doesn’t have the power to successfully do it.

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[quote]Sikkario wrote:
hmm, that’s why Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said there were no homosexuals in Iran (Columbia University), i wonder why. It’s either because they were killed or are in fear of being killed. No nation is homo free, sorry.

I already said that, we already talked about that.

If you can find me evidence of government legislation against gays in Iran, I’ll cede this point and reexamine my opinion.

I don’t see how the government can take any position against a group which does not exist bureacratically within its country.

The Iranian Gov’T doesn’t recognize a gay community in Iran. That’s what Ahlmenijad, said, “WE DONT HAVE GAYS IN IRAN LIKE YOU HAVE GAYS IN THE USA” Ie, there is no LGBT community in Iran.

Their laws barring homosexuality are teh same as US sodomy laws more or less.

BTW Mr. Bicep how much do you straight bar curl?[/quote]

140lbs wall curl. I’m 17, I got a long ways to go.

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Jihad=Muslims
Crusade=Christians

Jihad is a Crusade for Muslims.

A Crusade is a Jihad for Christians.

Ya, we’re matched, I just turned 21 tho. I do my reps on 125, but my bicep isn’t shape like yours. It doesn’t look as good, it measures at 16.

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[quote]Sikkario wrote:
Jihad=Muslims
Crusade=Christians

Jihad is a Crusade for Muslims.

A Crusade is a Jihad for Christians.

140lbs wall curl. I’m 17, I got a long ways to go.

Ya, we’re matched, I just turned 21 tho. I do my reps on 125, but my bicep isn’t shape like yours. It doesn’t look as good, it measures at 16.[/quote]

Mines a little over 16 inches, but mine peaks pretty well. What kind of shape are you sporting.

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Sikkario,you’re trying too hard to prove yourself as a tool on this website. Every thread you’ve posted has turned into nothing but bullshit. There’s nothing wrong with stirring things up…but do you have to make it so obvious?

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[quote]Sikkario wrote:
Jihad=Muslims
Crusade=Christians

Jihad is a Crusade for Muslims.

A Crusade is a Jihad for Christians.

140lbs wall curl. I’m 17, I got a long ways to go.

Ya, we’re matched, I just turned 21 tho. I do my reps on 125, but my bicep isn’t shape like yours. It doesn’t look as good, it measures at 16.[/quote]

Tell me, where in the New Testament is a military expedition in the form of a crusade described? What crusade did Jesus engage in? Was it purely spiritual, or did it have a military dimension?

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are yall still on the issue of homosexuality?

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[quote]Sikkario wrote:
Magrebs, Phoenecians, Assyrians, and the other native inhabitants, who live amongst or mixed with the Arabs are extended full citizenship in their countries.

I think part of the problem in Israel, a large part of it, is Israel as a political body encompasses a large mass of land, and many Muslims live within it however…they are not extended full citizenship rights.

I think that is the main gripe here. It’s less about living alongside Jews or that they don’t have a land right, and more about saying someone is not a full citizen of their own land.[/quote]

I suppose we should ask the Berbers, Kurds, and Assyrians what their opinions of the ARabs are, shouldn’t we? I don’t think you’ll like the answer. Suffice it to say, the Arabs didn’t end up in these respective countries with no small amount of bloodshed, rape, and murder.

Arabs living in Israel proper are allowed to vote. There are Arab members of Parliament in the Israeli Knesset. Israel is not a large piece of land. It’s tiny. You can drive across it in two hours. It’s understandable that they don’t want to give full citizenship rights to unassimilable Arabs living in the West Bank and Gaza with a 7th century mentality who’ve been launching rockets at them as well as kidnapping them.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
are yall still on the issue of homosexuality?[/quote]

idk we’ve been jumping all over the place

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Here’s a Berber opinion of the Arabs:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/016278.php

Not. Too. Good.

The Assyrians (who are the remnant of Christians in Iraq) mustn’t have a very high opinion of the Arabs either, considering the persecution they’ve suffered lately:
http://www.persecution.com/news/index.cfm?action=fullstory&newsid=477

The Kurds aren’t getting along too well with the Arabs either:
http://www.kurdmedia.com/article.aspx?id=14147

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[quote]lixy wrote:

To recapitulate, You are saying that Arabs and Muslims in general are “barbarians” who have an “irrational hatred” of Israel. Did I get that right?[/quote]

Wow. Ask for your tuition back.

“Barbarians” are the Muslims and Arabs that have an irrational hatred of Israel. That is what qualifies them as “barbarians”, and would conditionally make them separate from “general” Arabs and Muslims.

Arabs and Muslims = Arab and Muslims

(Arabs and Muslims) + (Irrational Hatred of Israel) = Barbarians

Not so much with the logic, Lixy.

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Most of the Arabs, mixed with the national groups of their new countries, with academic and religious language being classical arabic and the local dialect being a mixture of native language and arabic.

It’s not so different from Latins, coming into Gaul mixing with Gauls, and having Latin as the language of the education and religious while some proto-french was the regional language.

BTW, Assyrians are not the Christian remnants of Iraq. They claim Assyrian ancestry as well, but the modern country of Syria, is where most of these Assyrians live. Hence AsSYRIA, for the most part they are a mixed people, that follow the model I indicated.

From what I understand within most of the Muslim nations the perception of the Muslim conquest is polarized. Many view as a crushing defeat to foreign invaders, others view from a pro-islamist enlightenment of decaying kingdoms.

The perception seems to be fairly uniform.

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[quote]Sikkario wrote:
I’m writing this paper, and I’m going to submit it to a few venues, but I’d like to use it as a ground work for seting up friendship between Iran and the USA. Starting a student organization. [/quote]

That’s a noble cause. They started an Ulster project in Ireland to make Protestant and Catholic students develop friendships in Ireland. Not too sure how that all worked out.

In the 90’s they got a group of Palestinian kids and a group of Israeli kids and they spent time together in a camp. A news program (not sure which) followed this group at he onstart and then followed up 10 years later to see if any of these people were still friends.

What they found were all of the kids considered their one time friends their arch enemies. They did not stay in touch and both groups fell victim to hatred propaganda and naturally ended up hating each other.

Enless you can find a way around this, your plan will go nowhere.

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[quote]Sikkario wrote:
Truly an admirable nation. I’d be more than happy to come to know it.[/quote]

If you are indeed a Bolivian American, why do you know so much and care so much about Iran?

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I’m corking a Parsi skank…

Actually, I wish. I like politics and I am tired of alot of the misinformation, I see presented.

There is doomsday rhetoric I hear from just about everyone on a notion of Iran destroying our country, it pissed me off. So I started researching Iran, and as I studied more, I found out pretty much everything I had ever been told about the place was utter lie.

I was oppossed to the Iraq War since the beginning, I lost a friend from HS in it. This is coming form someone whose brother was in the army for six years and who’s Dad enlisted in the Vietnam war, without speaking English. Not some virulent rich anti-american brat.

I see war between Us and Iran as a real possibility, especially since both Barack and McCain take a hardline against the country.

It’s in my interest to write this paper because,

  1. I am interested in the subject and feel strongly about it.
  2. I can potentially have some small part in dispelling misinformation about Iran. Possibly rectify Us and Iranian enmity in some small way.
  3. Iran has been continually trying to court, US students, US populace and US opinion. I’m no fool, I’m a political science major, and there are opportunities in responding to their government’s stimulation. Opportunities for recognition larger than some sort of tired Anti-Bush epithet.

They want this to happen, they want young people to look into what is actually going on. In all honesty, examining their case as I have, they are truly being misrepresented so they are right for doing so.

Ahlmenijad has written a letter to the American people, he has toured the US, visited Universities and tried to contact George Bush for dialogue on several occasions.

The opportunity exists to create communication here, they are receptive, so it is my duty to respond.

I can put on my resume, I set up a student organization, with international connections. Students For The Near East, have a part in helping world peace, by generating friendship between Iranian and American students. Maybe, I’ll get an offer to study over there, and I wouldn’t refuse if they offered it. Who knows?

I’m involved in a shitload of other organizations, but I’m interested and earnest in this. As an American I take personal responsibility for the actions of my country, and so I’m trying to do something, to shape those actions in a peaceful manner.

http://www.iranmania.com/fun/screen_savers/1024/azadi01_1024.jpg

That is a pretty ass country man, why do you want to bomb that?

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[quote]Sikkario wrote:
Jihad=Muslims
Crusade=Christians

Jihad is a Crusade for Muslims.

A Crusade is a Jihad for Christians.

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The Last Crusade was in 1464 against Turkish agression on Eastern Europe. It went nowhere. The Christians declined to get involved.

Bin Laden and others are preaching Jihad today. They are exterminating Christians in Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq and also in Africa.

Even when the British and French owned half of the world, they did not forcefully convert Muslims to Christianity.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
Are you serious, Chavez is fucking socialist nut job.

Can’t argue with that. Fact is, it doesn’t seem to bother the majority of Venezuelans who would rather have to live with Chavez than some sockpuppet of Washington.

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Why is that? They’d be better off.

The work ethic of people from warmer regions is lower than the work ethic of people from colder regions. They need a former Exxon executive, hopefully of British or American descent, to run the country.