[quote]pat36 wrote:
Iran had just cured AIDS!!!
[/quote]
Great!!!
They are also rapidly expanding their nuclear capacity for peaceful uses.
JeffR
[quote]JeffR wrote:
pat36 wrote:
Iran had just cured AIDS!!!
Great!!!
They are also rapidly expanding their nuclear capacity for peaceful uses.
JeffR
[/quote]
Yes, blowing the fuck out of Isreal is a peaceful purpose, indeed, if you’re a radicalized muslim.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
You link many sources. I want to let you know that I (like everyone else) have my own biases. In particular, when addressing me, don’t use the new york times, la times, or npr as sources.
Thanks,
JeffR[/quote]
Try this link.
Dustin
[quote]Dustin wrote:
JeffR wrote:
You link many sources. I want to let you know that I (like everyone else) have my own biases. In particular, when addressing me, don’t use the new york times, la times, or npr as sources.
Thanks,
JeffR
Try this link.
Dustin
[/quote]
Thanks, dustin. Horrible link full of terrible information.
A hostile former Administration official accusing Bush of “imperialism” is not likely to convince anyone but hardcore lefties of anything.
Oh, if we were imperialist, we wouldn’t be paying for the reconstruction of Iraq. We would use their oil revenues.
Again, terrible.
JeffR
[quote]pat36 wrote:
JeffR wrote:
pat36 wrote:
Iran had just cured AIDS!!!
Great!!!
They are also rapidly expanding their nuclear capacity for peaceful uses.
JeffR
Yes, blowing the fuck out of Isreal is a peaceful purpose, indeed, if you’re a radicalized muslim.[/quote]
Pat,
I’m getting mad at people who blame Israel.
Last I knew, it wasn’t the Israeli’s promising to “wipe out” iran.
The nutball is actually threatening nuclear annhilation of Israel. Two weeks ago, he directly threatened the U.S. with the same.
Oh, for jtf (who calls the threat a lie)
Here is iran today:
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070205/ap_on_re_mi_ea/nuclear_iran
READ IT. 3000 centrifuges being set up–making two bombs a year. On their way to 54,000 centrifuges. That’s 36 bombs PER YEAR.
If any tool doesn’t couple this frightening rhetoric with the on the ground buildup, said tool is either so anti-semitic and ignorant that he/she is incapable of rational thought and/or has never studied the patterns of dictators.
For all of us living in the real world, iran is frightening.
JeffR
[quote]JeffR wrote:
pat36 wrote:
JeffR wrote:
pat36 wrote:
Iran had just cured AIDS!!!
Great!!!
They are also rapidly expanding their nuclear capacity for peaceful uses.
JeffR
Yes, blowing the fuck out of Isreal is a peaceful purpose, indeed, if you’re a radicalized muslim.
Pat,
I’m getting mad at people who blame Israel.
Last I knew, it wasn’t the Israeli’s promising to “wipe out” iran.
The nutball is actually threatening nuclear annhilation of Israel. Two weeks ago, he directly threatened the U.S. with the same.
[/quote]
No, he said something to the effect that “Israel needs to disappear from the pages of time”, kind of like the Sowjet Union.
Of wonder why subtle nuances never make it into Fox News…
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Pat,
I’m getting mad at people who blame Israel.
Last I knew, it wasn’t the Israeli’s promising to “wipe out” iran.
The nutball is actually threatening nuclear annhilation of Israel. Two weeks ago, he directly threatened the U.S. with the same.
Oh, for jtf (who calls the threat a lie)
Here is iran today:
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070205/ap_on_re_mi_ea/nuclear_iran
READ IT. 3000 centrifuges being set up–making two bombs a year. On their way to 54,000 centrifuges. That’s 36 bombs PER YEAR.
If any tool doesn’t couple this frightening rhetoric with the on the ground buildup, said tool is either so anti-semitic and ignorant that he/she is incapable of rational thought and/or has never studied the patterns of dictators.
For all of us living in the real world, iran is frightening.
JeffR
[/quote]
I’m confused. You realize I was being sarcastic, right?
[quote]pat36 wrote:
JeffR wrote:
Pat,
I’m getting mad at people who blame Israel.
Last I knew, it wasn’t the Israeli’s promising to “wipe out” iran.
The nutball is actually threatening nuclear annhilation of Israel. Two weeks ago, he directly threatened the U.S. with the same.
Oh, for jtf (who calls the threat a lie)
Here is iran today:
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070205/ap_on_re_mi_ea/nuclear_iran
READ IT. 3000 centrifuges being set up–making two bombs a year. On their way to 54,000 centrifuges. That’s 36 bombs PER YEAR.
If any tool doesn’t couple this frightening rhetoric with the on the ground buildup, said tool is either so anti-semitic and ignorant that he/she is incapable of rational thought and/or has never studied the patterns of dictators.
For all of us living in the real world, iran is frightening.
JeffR
I’m confused. You realize I was being sarcastic, right?
[/quote]
Pat,
Absolutely.
Sorry, I was responding to the chorus of tools who refuse to acknowledge this danger for what it is.
JeffR
[quote]JeffR wrote:
I’m confused. You realize I was being sarcastic, right?
Pat,
Absolutely.
Sorry, I was responding to the chorus of tools who refuse to acknowledge this danger for what it is.
JeffR
[/quote]
Well, what you are up against is a “2 wrongs make a right” mentality. People become sympathetic to the terrorists because Israel or the U.S., “done bad things too”. So because we make mistakes we should appease our enemies’ threats because we ain’t perfect either.
Anybody who doesn’t perceive Iran as a threat is just not having an open mind to the breadth of terrorism. Ahmin-thingy was a U.S. hostage taker, he hates our guts. Couple that hate with wide scale martyrdom and anything is possible. They realize that they would be annihilated if they were to launch a nuke, but they don’t seem to care. It’s tough to fight an enemy who doesn’t care to live and would rather die in war.
I guess people would rather we be attacked and don’t consider it a “big deal” if we are. I happen to care though.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Thanks, dustin. Horrible link full of terrible information.
A hostile former Administration official accusing Bush of “imperialism” is not likely to convince anyone but hardcore lefties of anything.
JeffR
[/quote]
No, sorry Jeff. That response is going to cut it. That’s how all the conformist, narrow minded sheeple respond to news sources that do not spew from the U.S. government controlled media.
The source of the aforementioned link was an ex-national security advisor. You’re telling me that you are more informed than he is and everything he is saying is false?
You don’t know the definition of imperialism, do you?
Dustin
[quote]Dustin wrote:
JeffR wrote:
Thanks, dustin. Horrible link full of terrible information.
A hostile former Administration official accusing Bush of “imperialism” is not likely to convince anyone but hardcore lefties of anything.
JeffR
No, sorry Jeff. That response is going to cut it. That’s how all the conformist, narrow minded sheeple respond to news sources that do not spew from the U.S. government controlled media.
The source of the aforementioned link was an ex-national security advisor. You’re telling me that you are more informed than he is and everything he is saying is false?
You don’t know the definition of imperialism, do you?
Dustin[/quote]
dustin,
Thanks for the “sheeple” commentary.
If anyone is guilty of lack of original thought, it’s your side of the aisle.
To answer your question directly: Yes, I do know more about the situation than that guy. Anyone who accuses the U.S. of imperialism regarding Iraq automatically invalidates their argument.
Answer me this question directly: Do you think that carter and his bunch are incapable of making monster errors in understanding on the world stage? Could their perception be colored by their utter failure regarding iran? Finally, could political concerns override one’s ability to see the situation objectively?
Note to dustin: Tread very carefully with your response. I had a close family member in the Navy during the iran “hostage rescue.”
JeffR
[quote]pat36 wrote:
JeffR wrote:
I’m confused. You realize I was being sarcastic, right?
Pat,
Absolutely.
Sorry, I was responding to the chorus of tools who refuse to acknowledge this danger for what it is.
JeffR
Well, what you are up against is a “2 wrongs make a right” mentality. People become sympathetic to the terrorists because Israel or the U.S., “done bad things too”. So because we make mistakes we should appease our enemies’ threats because we ain’t perfect either.
Anybody who doesn’t perceive Iran as a threat is just not having an open mind to the breadth of terrorism. Ahmin-thingy was a U.S. hostage taker, he hates our guts. Couple that hate with wide scale martyrdom and anything is possible. They realize that they would be annihilated if they were to launch a nuke, but they don’t seem to care. It’s tough to fight an enemy who doesn’t care to live and would rather die in war.
I guess people would rather we be attacked and don’t consider it a “big deal” if we are. I happen to care though.
[/quote]
Pat,
In some ways iran is more frightening than Iraq was. Regardless of public posturing, most Arab governments were secretly happy to see that guy hung.
However, a-thingy is playing the “The U.S. President is too crippled by the political beating he’s taking over Iraq to confront me” to the hilt.
As usual, countries like france/belgium/russia/germany don’t have the will to confront this menace.
I’m more frightened because this guy could disseminate a nuke and the burden of proof has been raised to unrealistic levels.
iran would never directly attack the U.S. However, I fear we will be re-arguing the law of probabilities with the head-in-the-sands after an attack on one of our foreign bases.
Very few politicians have the will to take on what Bush has.
JeffR
[quote]JeffR wrote:
dustin,
Thanks for the “sheeple” commentary.
If anyone is guilty of lack of original thought, it’s your side of the aisle.
[/quote]
Which side of the aisle would that be? I love how people try to attach labels to other individuals on message boards without knowing a thing about them.
By definition the U.S. is imperialist.
Taken from Merriam Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary (tenth edition): Imperialism 2. the policy, practice, or advocacy of extending the power and dominion of a nation esp. by direct territorial acquistitions or by gaining indirect control over the political or economic life of other areas.
Just since the end of WWII, the U.S. has fit this definition precisely in Cuba, Grenada, Iraq, Iran, and Panama, just to name a few. Of course, the military wasn’t used so much, but economic warfare instead.
Obviously, Carter’s administration did make many errors. Iran, of course, which I mentioned above is the best example.
Their perception could be colored, but it could also be sparkling clear because of the errors they made in the middle east.
Note to Jeff: I’m in the Army, so don’t accuse me of being a “liberal” or anti-American
Dustin
[quote]Dustin wrote:
JeffR wrote:
dustin,
Thanks for the “sheeple” commentary.
If anyone is guilty of lack of original thought, it’s your side of the aisle.
Which side of the aisle would that be? I love how people try to attach labels to other individuals on message boards without knowing a thing about them.[/quote]
democrat. You voted for john kerry. Deny it if you can.
[quote]To answer your question directly: Yes, I do know more about the situation than that guy. Anyone who accuses the U.S. of imperialism regarding Iraq automatically invalidates their argument.
By definition the U.S. is imperialist.
Taken from Merriam Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary (tenth edition): Imperialism 2. the policy, practice, or advocacy of extending the power and dominion of a nation esp. by direct territorial acquistitions or by gaining indirect control over the political or economic life of other areas.
Just since the end of WWII, the U.S. has fit this definition precisely in Cuba, Grenada, Iraq, Iran, and Panama, just to name a few. Of course, the military wasn’t used so much, but economic warfare instead.[/quote]
Nonsense. You and I know what he meant. He meant that the war was launched for the sole purpose of subjugating a peaceful people. It’s one step from there to: Bush was in oil, Iraq has oil, therefore, it must be war for oil!!!
[quote]Answer me this question directly: Do you think that carter and his bunch are incapable of making monster errors in understanding on the world stage? Could their perception be colored by their utter failure regarding iran? Finally, could political concerns override one’s ability to see the situation objectively?
Obviously, Carter’s administration did make many errors. Iran, of course, which I mentioned above is the best example.[/quote]
Agreed
In my humble opinion, it more likely represents a continuation of a breathtakingly wrong-headed view of the region.
[quote]Note to dustin: Tread very carefully with your response. I had a close family member in the Navy during the iran “hostage rescue.”
JeffR
Note to Jeff: I’m in the Army, so don’t accuse me of being a “liberal” or anti-American
Dustin
[/quote]
That should piss off your pals. I like it. It at least acknowledges that most military are Pro-American and Republican.
dustin, what do you think of ehren watada?
JeffR
[quote]Dustin wrote:
JeffR wrote:
dustin,
Thanks for the “sheeple” commentary.
If anyone is guilty of lack of original thought, it’s your side of the aisle.
… I love how people try to attach labels to other individuals on message boards without knowing a thing about them.
…[/quote]
Especially when they call people sheeple.
I love that term. It instantly lets you know the users thought process.
The user of that term always thinks they have some big secret inside information that if everyone else knew it would just blow their minds or drive them to revolt.
Why don’t you revolt against the man Dustin? Are you afraid?
[quote]JeffR wrote:
democrat. You voted for john kerry. Deny it if you can.
[/quote]
I actually wish I had not voted at all. The system is broke. I’m embarrassed to say I voted for Bush in 04.
That’s not what I got out of the article.
We disagree, which is fine.
Middle-easterners (muslims) are, contrary to popular belief, human beings. Since the establishment of Israel, they’ve been constantly bullied by the U.S. and Israel. I think they’re finally getting tired of it. Radical Islam is a reactionary movement to the death, destruction, and occupation at the hands of the U.S. and Israel in the middle east. I can’t say that I blame them for being angry at us.
That, however, doesn’t mean that I won’t do my job when I’m deployed.
[quote]
dustin, what do you think of ehren watada?
JeffR[/quote]
I’m a platoon leader like he is (was), so I can kind of put myself in that position.
I don’t see him as a coward. I think he’s standing up for what he believes in. Naturally, in the military you lose the right to say “no” when you don’t want to do something. So, I hope he’s prepared to deal with the consequences.
Dustin
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
The user of that term always thinks they have some big secret inside information that if everyone else knew it would just blow their minds or drive them to revolt.
Why don’t you revolt against the man Dustin? Are you afraid?[/quote]
Why do you believe everything the government controlled media tells you.
I don’t believe the U.S. media, the Bush administration, and I sure as hell don’t trust the government.
I’m not trying to cause a revolt. I just want people to look at other news sources and accept the fact that just maybe the U.S. is losing legitimacy in the world. Just because the Stars and Stripes are waving in the background doesn’t mean that our government is “good” or “right”.
Dustin
[quote]Dustin wrote:
JeffR wrote:
democrat. You voted for john kerry. Deny it if you can.
I actually wish I had not voted at all. The system is broke. I’m embarrassed to say I voted for Bush in 04.[/quote]
That surprises me. You talk just like a liberal democrat. If you voted for Bush, at least you did the right thing for the wrong reasons.
If you voted for Bush, then I stand corrected.
That right there is a liberal misconception. HAVE ANY OF THE GOOD GUYS EVER THOUGHT OF ARABS AS LESS THAN HUMAN!!!
GIVE ME ONE QUOTE!!!
If you can’t, please admit your error.
YOU ARE NOT A REPUBLICAN with that blame America first crap.
Yea, the palestinians have just been minding their own business, huh? No atrocities committed during cease fires? No blowing up little girls in weddings? None of that?
I beg you, don’t embarass the rest of us by bad mouthing the United States.
[quote]dustin, what do you think of ehren watada?
JeffR
I’m a platoon leader like he is (was), so I can kind of put myself in that position.
I don’t see him as a coward. I think he’s standing up for what he believes in. Naturally, in the military you lose the right to say “no” when you don’t want to do something. So, I hope he’s prepared to deal with the consequences.
dustin
[/quote]
dustin, do you admire him? Do you think his example is a good one? Do you wish more people refused to serve? Do you specifically think he is brave for taking this stance?
JeffR
[quote]Dustin wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The user of that term always thinks they have some big secret inside information that if everyone else knew it would just blow their minds or drive them to revolt.
Why don’t you revolt against the man Dustin? Are you afraid?
Why do you believe everything the government controlled media tells you.
[/quote]
Why would you think I did?
I understand everyone has an agenda and can usually predict their lies before they tell them.
You seem really naive, like you expected the government to be entirely truthful and then when you discovered that is not the way the world works you assume everything you are told is a lie.
No government is all good or all truthful. Ours has it’s flaws but it is the best ever.
I understand why they need to stretch the truth when dealing with evil like Iran, etc. It is the way it has always been.
Now if you want truth, here ya go! Everything they say is 100% accurate. And it’s not the evil american media or government.