Iranian Nuclear Program

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[quote]orion wrote:
JeffR wrote:
pat36 wrote:
orion wrote:

Boohoo, those bastards killed 3000 people and took down 2 towers which does of course justify bombing the shit out of countries whose inhabitants look roughly the same, but when they get a little cranky after you helped murder a few millions, well, they clearly hate you for your freedom…

This is ablsotutely correct. We are still whining about a piddly little 3000 americans killed on 9/11. We should have just taken it. I believe they are completly justified in attacking the US. We should have thanked them for opening our eyes.

I myself, look forward to the day when we can all live peacefully under islamic law. There are two types of people in the world, those know and love islamic rule and those who deserve to die.
I think it’s time we fall on our own sword. We should be ashamed to be Americans.

orion,

Please tell me you don’t believe all of the things you type. To minimize September 11th, 2001 is not only incredibly insensitive and crass, it makes one think that you are a schtick trying to get attention.

Please tell me it’s the latter. If you need attention, pm me your address and I’ll have mongo the singing gorilla visit you. I might even teach him to write your name in gorilla crap.

However, if you truly believe that 3000 American innocents killed was trifling, then I hope you develop kidney stones that you cannot pass. I hope they are as jagged as possible. I hope it takes several painful operations before they are removed.

JeffR

Millions in the Iraq/Iran war, thousands in the war on drugs in Columbia, a few hundred thousand in Iraq now…

vs 3000 people…

Action-> Reaction…

Get it?

Plus were is your “sensitivity” when it comes to non American lives?

Dozens of people were killed in Somalia recently, the alleged three al-Queda members were not among them.

Business as usual I guess, but 3000 AMERICANS, whoa, that means crossing a line…

You know what, maybe it was part of the white man`s burden…[/quote]

orion,

It’s official, I wish some pretty thick kidney stones on you.

Your malignant Anti-Americanism coupled with your race baiting illustrates that you need some serious pain in your life.

You paint us with a broad, self-serving brush. Your Anti-Americanism prejudices your every thought. To suggest that Americans don’t care about civilian losses is to piss on the loss of every American soldier. You do realize that we have it in our power to ERASE the inhabitants of any hostile area. Instead, Americans try to employ the rule of law. We put American’s in harms way. We play pretty damn nice.

Now imagine your grandfather’s generation having our relative power differential. Do you think russia/England/france would exist?

We don’t have to lose a SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. WE DO IT PRECISELY BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT CIVILIANS!!!

Ok, now I’m upset that I wasted time trying to educate another hostile european.

I wish you ill.

JeffR

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Yeah JeffR is right. What the hell are our troops doing on the ground in Iraq if we don’t care about civillian lives? Why not just carpet bomb the whole city of Bagdad and kill em’ all instead? We DO care about civillian lives. And the majority of Iraqi civillians are being killed by their own sectarain violence not by U.S. troops.

And in Afganistan the majority of those people support NATO troops there. And yeah I agree that selling Iraq and Iran weapons to use on each other in their war was wrong but that was thirty years ago and in no way does it justify 9/11.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

I agree,but it has to benefit both sides in an equation like this one.A smaller profit over a longer time span.
You don’t find the figures slightly one sided?[/quote]

Not really sure. A 15% cut not to do anything isn’t too bad. I am not sure of all the costs involved.

If the oil companies cook the books to show no profit it is a bad deal but if they don’t it may not be too bad.

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[quote]orion wrote:
…
Dozens of people were killed in Somalia recently, the alleged three al-Queda members were not among them.

…[/quote]

I read they did DNA tests confirming the identity as the Al Qaeda targets.

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
jtf,

Third and final request: What is your solution for iran circa january 29th, 2007.

For the purposes of discussion, let’s drop the “it’s all Bush’s fault” for a while.

Let’s hear your solutions.

Thanks in advance,

JeffR[/quote]

I’m saying DO NOTHING – this is NOT an EMERGENCY. The manufactured propaganda is EVERYWHERE if you would just look around – it comes from only ONE place and ONE PLACE ONLY.

"Israel must immediately launch an intense, international, public relations front first and foremost on the U.S. The goal being to encourage President Bush to live up to specific pledges he would not allow Iran to arm itself with nuclear weapons. We must make clear to the government, the Congress and the American public that a nuclear Iran is a threat to the U.S. and the entire world, not only Israel."
– Benjamin Netanyahu

Israeli billionaire Saban biggest donor to US politicians
Israeli billionaire and media mogul Haim Saban is at the top of the list of donors to political campaigns in the US.

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[quote]orion wrote:

JeffR

Millions in the Iraq/Iran war, thousands in the war on drugs in Columbia, a few hundred thousand in Iraq now…

vs 3000 people…

Action-> Reaction…

Get it?

Plus were is your “sensitivity” when it comes to non American lives?

Dozens of people were killed in Somalia recently, the alleged three al-Queda members were not among them.

Business as usual I guess, but 3000 AMERICANS, whoa, that means crossing a line…

You know what, maybe it was part of the white man`s burden…[/quote]

That’s it! You’re my new Imam. What are my orders? Shall I suicide bomb the super bowl? Wait for the olympics? Wear 20 Kilos of C-5 on an Vienan bus? You name it, I’ll do. Your intellect has blown me away, I just can’t compete. All mighty Imam, how can I please you? Allah Akbah!

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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
JeffR wrote:
jtf,

Third and final request: What is your solution for iran circa january 29th, 2007.

For the purposes of discussion, let’s drop the “it’s all Bush’s fault” for a while.

Let’s hear your solutions.

Thanks in advance,

JeffR

I’m saying DO NOTHING – this is NOT an EMERGENCY. The manufactured propaganda is EVERYWHERE if you would just look around – it comes from only ONE place and ONE PLACE ONLY.

"Israel must immediately launch an intense, international, public relations front first and foremost on the U.S. The goal being to encourage President Bush to live up to specific pledges he would not allow Iran to arm itself with nuclear weapons. We must make clear to the government, the Congress and the American public that a nuclear Iran is a threat to the U.S. and the entire world, not only Israel."
– Benjamin Netanyahu

Israeli billionaire Saban biggest donor to US politicians
Israeli billionaire and media mogul Haim Saban is at the top of the list of donors to political campaigns in the US.

[/quote]

For those of you who do not want to read all the links and follow the conspiracies here is the digested version. What JTF was trying to say:
“I hate Jews. Fuck the Jews in every possible way and let’s carpet bomb Isreal with a few D-5 ICBM’s.
All the evil in the world, including the polyps in your colon are because of Jews!”
That should just about cover it.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
What JTF was try to say:
“I hate Jews. Fuck the Jews in every possible way and lets carpet bomb Isreal with a few D-5 ICBM’s.
All the evil in the world, including the pollips in your colon are because of Jews!”
That should just about cover it.[/quote]

What pat36 was try to say:
“I hate Muslims. Fuck the Muslims in every possible way and lets carpet bomb Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia with a few D-5 ICBM’s.
All the evil in the world, including the pollips in your colon are because of Muslims!”
That should just about cover it.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The British developed Iran’s oil fields, then kicked them out, after the Brits had done all the work. What kind of compensation did Iran offer, after someone else did all the work?[/quote]

Funny though that Russia did the same thing last decade (stole assets and kicked out the western companies) yet never got invaded. Could it be because they have nukes?

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:

I agree,but it has to benefit both sides in an equation like this one.A smaller profit over a longer time span.
You don’t find the figures slightly one sided?

Not really sure. A 15% cut not to do anything isn’t too bad. I am not sure of all the costs involved.

If the oil companies cook the books to show no profit it is a bad deal but if they don’t it may not be too bad.[/quote]

The Iranians allowed the British to develop the resource because THEY COULDN’T DO IT! The Iranians called in the British, let them do the development of the fields (while sitting on their asses) and having some Iranian ‘engineers’ there to learn to copycat the British petroleum engineers. Once they thought they could run it themselves, they took over. “Hey, thanks guys for all the work! Now, get lost!!!”

The British got pissed and asked Uncle Sam for a little helping hand. Very understandable.

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A few things:

Pat- All of your posts reek of mindless drivel. Try to formulate an intelligent thought once in a while.

Jeff-

Where did I say we should “cut and run” in Iraq? We can’t leave now that we’re sucked into that BULLSHIT war. Invading in the first place was a big mistake (something that Bush I- a true CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN- knew) but pulling back now would be a mistake. We have to finish the job.

My anger lies with Bush II for abandoning the CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN principles that he supposedly stood for and for letting his administration be hijacked by a bunch of Jewish quacks who would have no problem sacrificing all of us for Israel.

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[quote]OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
A few things:

Pat- All of your posts reek of mindless drivel. Try to formulate an intelligent thought once in a while. I know being from Georgia that’s probably hard for you but you should give it a go sometime.

[/quote]

Awe fuck! That was a purdy good cut down. All that Georgia stuff and stuff. I wish I was smart like you.
GO BLUE!

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:

I agree,but it has to benefit both sides in an equation like this one.A smaller profit over a longer time span.
You don’t find the figures slightly one sided?

Not really sure. A 15% cut not to do anything isn’t too bad. I am not sure of all the costs involved.

If the oil companies cook the books to show no profit it is a bad deal but if they don’t it may not be too bad.

The Iranians allowed the British to develop the resource because THEY COULDN’T DO IT! The Iranians called in the British, let them do the development of the fields (while sitting on their asses) and having some Iranian ‘engineers’ there to learn to copycat the British petroleum engineers. Once they thought they could run it themselves, they took over. “Hey, thanks guys for all the work! Now, get lost!!!”

The British got pissed and asked Uncle Sam for a little helping hand. Very understandable.

[/quote]

That’s not exactly how it went down…

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[quote]JeffR wrote:

orion,

It’s official, I wish some pretty thick kidney stones on you.

Your malignant Anti-Americanism coupled with your race baiting illustrates that you need some serious pain in your life.

You paint us with a broad, self-serving brush. Your Anti-Americanism prejudices your every thought. To suggest that Americans don’t care about civilian losses is to piss on the loss of every American soldier. You do realize that we have it in our power to ERASE the inhabitants of any hostile area. Instead, Americans try to employ the rule of law. We put American’s in harms way. We play pretty damn nice.

Now imagine your grandfather’s generation having our relative power differential. Do you think russia/England/france would exist?

We don’t have to lose a SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. WE DO IT PRECISELY BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT CIVILIANS!!!

Ok, now I’m upset that I wasted time trying to educate another hostile european.

I wish you ill.

JeffR
[/quote]

That was not so much race baiting but an attempt to quote Rudyard Kypling the most important poet of British imperialism.

You know the British did not build an empire because of their own selfish agenda, oh no, it was part of the “white man`s burden” to bring (British) civililzation to all those savages…

Now they may have made a shitload of money while they were at it, but only a misguided, anti-British continental European would seriously believe…

Of course you try not to wipe out whole cities. It is part of your imperial narrative.

You cannot claim to make “the world save for Democracy” (Wilson) or “freeing the Iraquis” or bringing “Democracy to the Middle East” and nuke whole countries at the same time.

Simply killing them would also make for a pretty short and cheap war which is not in the best interest of your masters in the MICC…

http://www.boondocksnet.com/ai/kipling/kipling.html

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[quote]orion wrote:
JeffR wrote:

orion,

It’s official, I wish some pretty thick kidney stones on you.

Your malignant Anti-Americanism coupled with your race baiting illustrates that you need some serious pain in your life.

You paint us with a broad, self-serving brush. Your Anti-Americanism prejudices your every thought. To suggest that Americans don’t care about civilian losses is to piss on the loss of every American soldier. You do realize that we have it in our power to ERASE the inhabitants of any hostile area. Instead, Americans try to employ the rule of law. We put American’s in harms way. We play pretty damn nice.

Now imagine your grandfather’s generation having our relative power differential. Do you think russia/England/france would exist?

We don’t have to lose a SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. WE DO IT PRECISELY BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT CIVILIANS!!!

Ok, now I’m upset that I wasted time trying to educate another hostile european.

I wish you ill.

JeffR

That was not so much race baiting but an attempt to quote Rudyard Kypling the most important poet of British imperialism.

You know the British did not build an empire because of their own selfish agenda, oh no, it was part of the “white man`s burden” to bring (British) civililzation to all those savages…

Now they may have made a shitload of money while they were at it, but only a misguided, anti-British continental European would seriously believe…

Of course you try not to wipe out whole cities. It is part of your imperial narrative.

You cannot claim to make “the world save for Democracy” (Wilson) or “freeing the Iraquis” or bringing “Democracy to the Middle East” and nuke whole countries at the same time.

Simply killing them would also make for a pretty short and cheap war which is not in the best interest of your masters in the MICC…

http://www.boondocksnet.com/ai/kipling/kipling.html[/quote]

The Empire the silly continentals resent so much certainly blunted the Imperial ambitions of your forefathers…twice.

Jealousy perhaps?

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[quote]OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
A few things:

Pat- All of your posts reek of mindless drivel. Try to formulate an intelligent thought once in a while.

Jeff-

Where did I say we should “cut and run” in Iraq? We can’t leave now that we’re sucked into that BULLSHIT war. Invading in the first place was a big mistake (something that Bush I- a true CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN- knew) but pulling back now would be a mistake. We have to finish the job.

My anger lies with Bush II for abandoning the CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN principles that he supposedly stood for and for letting his administration be hijacked by a bunch of Jewish quacks who would have no problem sacrificing all of us for Israel.

[/quote]

Shithead beginning, cool middle, shithead ending.

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[quote]orion wrote:
JeffR wrote:
pat36 wrote:
orion wrote:

Boohoo, those bastards killed 3000 people and took down 2 towers which does of course justify bombing the shit out of countries whose inhabitants look roughly the same, but when they get a little cranky after you helped murder a few millions, well, they clearly hate you for your freedom…

This is ablsotutely correct. We are still whining about a piddly little 3000 americans killed on 9/11. We should have just taken it. I believe they are completly justified in attacking the US. We should have thanked them for opening our eyes.

I myself, look forward to the day when we can all live peacefully under islamic law. There are two types of people in the world, those know and love islamic rule and those who deserve to die.
I think it’s time we fall on our own sword. We should be ashamed to be Americans.

orion,

Please tell me you don’t believe all of the things you type. To minimize September 11th, 2001 is not only incredibly insensitive and crass, it makes one think that you are a schtick trying to get attention.

Please tell me it’s the latter. If you need attention, pm me your address and I’ll have mongo the singing gorilla visit you. I might even teach him to write your name in gorilla crap.

However, if you truly believe that 3000 American innocents killed was trifling, then I hope you develop kidney stones that you cannot pass. I hope they are as jagged as possible. I hope it takes several painful operations before they are removed.

JeffR

Millions in the Iraq/Iran war, thousands in the war on drugs in Columbia, a few hundred thousand in Iraq now…

vs 3000 people…

Action-> Reaction…

Get it?

Plus were is your “sensitivity” when it comes to non American lives?

Dozens of people were killed in Somalia recently, the alleged three al-Queda members were not among them.

Business as usual I guess, but 3000 AMERICANS, whoa, that means crossing a line…

You know what, maybe it was part of the white man`s burden…[/quote]

Your a dumbass anti-american bigot who writes some stupid idiotic things. This is probably the most idiotic thing you’ve written and you have set some high standards. Well done.

Just because you are weak and cowardly it doesn’t mean that people who are not will listen to you. Why don’t you help the Iranians build some more bunkers…you guys are good at those right? Maybe they’ll attack you last.

You need to realize. If the idea makes sense to you it’s probably not going to work in the real world. Giving up and accepting things that are wrong is a cowardly way to live your life, as you well know.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
Your a dumbass anti-american bigot who writes some stupid idiotic things. This is probably the most idiotic thing you’ve written and you have set some high standards. Well done.

Just because you are weak and cowardly it doesn’t mean that people who are not will listen to you. Why don’t you help the Iranians build some more bunkers…you guys are good at those right? Maybe they’ll attack you last.

You need to realize. If the idea makes sense to you it’s probably not going to work in the real world. Giving up and accepting things that are wrong is a cowardly way to live your life, as you well know.

[/quote]

It’s actually just a current fad in Europe. Anti-American is in, so they all just follow along like sheep.
You see these fine people actually deserve our pity. They suffer from a debilitating form of stupidity known as arrogance. They will fill the forums with empty facts taken out of the context of history to make America look bad while totally ignoring the fact that over the past 100 years more blood has been spilt in and because of Europe, then anywhere else in the world. And why did it come to world wars? Because the initial strategies were appeasement and peace at any cost.

Let us also not for get that they are ridiculing America on an American website, hosted by Americans, on American servers (Sun servers are still American made BTW). Maybe not all the part in them but more or less), reading articles and taking advise from Americans.

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[quote]hedo wrote:

The Empire the silly continentals resent so much certainly blunted the Imperial ambitions of your forefathers…twice.

Jealousy perhaps?

[/quote]

You have virtually no idea why WWI started, haven`t you?

Or how it was longer than necessary, because of American credit to the UK and France or how the UK were supported by the US?

How this longer than necessary war of attrition led to three revolutions, destroyed nations that were hundreds of years old, led to an insufferable piece and a second WWII?

Don`t they teach you some history before they let you play with heavy equipment or maybe only the official version of it?

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[quote]orion wrote:
hedo wrote:

The Empire the silly continentals resent so much certainly blunted the Imperial ambitions of your forefathers…twice.

Jealousy perhaps?

You have virtually no idea why WWI started, haven`t you?

Or how it was longer than necessary, because of American credit to the UK and France or how the UK were supported by the US?

How this longer than necessary war of attrition led to three revolutions, destroyed nations that were hundreds of years old, led to an insufferable piece and a second WWII?

Don`t they teach you some history before they let you play with heavy equipment or maybe only the official version of it?

[/quote]

Yes now I see. WWI and 2 were caused by the Americans not the Germans. You really are funny.

Yes I’ve studied history, just not the revised versions they teach you apparently.