Does this exist on the whole? It would seem to me as if those with the mentality of Gorija are those sweeping problems under the rug. The idea that everything is groovy because hey some black people are lawyers seems way more sweeping problems under the rug than acknowledging the issues I’ve been discussing.
It’s probably worth noting that the “opposite side” has seen a resurgence in white nationalism claiming to support them and that they finally have one of them in the office. Not to say that this is their fault.
Yes, I acknowledge that there is still racism, but how can you actually legislate against it? How can you convince racist to not be racist anymore? And if black people continue to commit crimes and kill each other at the same rate then it’s hard to convince white racists that they are wrong. There are already affirmative action programs for jobs and college.university admissions, what else can be done?
Blaming the white man for everything is only going to piss off more white people, and that looks like a major factor for the resurgence of white nationalism. Some white people are fucked up for sure, but when you have a large proportion of young black men who don’t want to work and would rather sell drugs and rob people you can’t exactly blame the white man for that. Rap music and all these gangster movies only serve to glorify that sort of behaviour and make more kids want to get into it. I grew up around a lot of black people and I know guys my age (not only black) who are sitting in jail right now for guns, drugs, robberies, etc., no white man made them do it.
I don’t believe I said anything about legislating against it? You can convince racists to be less racist over time. It’s why 2000 didn’t look like 1900 for black people. Not individually all the time but on the whole. Pretending that racism
is over because we had a black doctor lawyer and senator isn’t the way to do it. Blaming white people isn’t the way to do it:
Is someone advocating for that in here? I certainly haven’t.
Again not sure who you’re referring to but it isn’t me. Seems you’re making blanket statements.
So who are these racists that are responsible for the alleged inequality and injustice faced by black people? Why is white nationalism a problem for black people?
People don’t have to be clan members to contribute to this. Heck I could contribute to it and not even recognize it at the time. I’ve shared examples enough times for you to figure that one out on your own.
Fucking kidding me right? Why don’t you look up the Webster’s definition and solve for x.
So it’s the white man’s fault, and even white liberals like you are guilty of racist micro-aggressions.
The funny thing is that Marcus Garvey actually met with the KKK and said that their goals were closer to his own than what the NAACP was going for.
How do you propose to end discrimination against black people? It seems to me that one of the biggest issues faced by black people is crime and dysfunctional behaviour within their own communities, and it’s up to those people to stop doing what they are doing to be able to move forward and live a decent life.
Bruh, Marcus garvey’s whole thing was to have all black people move back to Africa. Of course the KKK was on board lol.
I do agree that socioeconomic factors are the overriding issue and should be addressed first. That said, a black guy from a bad background will have a harder time with the bootstraps method than the white guy due to numerous factors: less role models, widespread unconscious racism/stereotyping from the public, etc. It’s damn fucking hard to pull yourself up by the bootstraps so additional small obstacles do have an effect. Are those fully mitigated by affirmative action type policies? Maybe. Maybe not. I’m not sure.
Farrakhan and the NOI want something like that too, they want black people to completely separate from white American society.
All Freemasons on all sides, Garvey, NAACP, and KKK. No wonder things didn’t go well. And Farrakhan is a Scientologist, as well as all NOI “ministers”.
Maybe you don’t know how many fucked up white people are out there. Most of the junkies, street prostitutes, and homeless people around here are white. There are less white people in gangs and shooting people, but it’s just another set of dysfunctional behaviours.
It’s hard to say who is going to have a harder time, and aside from white nationalist groups there is nobody advocating on behalf of white people while there are all sorts of groups to help black, latino, and native people. Public perception and role models is one thing, but if nobody is there to help you then that’s a problem too.
Did I say it was the white man’s fault? You can stop putting words in my mouth whenever you want. All races including blacks could contribute to the issues I have been discussing. Issues that you ignore because “grr liberals and white man’s fault!” Perhaps try responding to points made without inserting “all white people or white liberals all want this?”
Look ma another post that doesn’t have anything to do with what I posted.
By having discussions and working on it. We’ve made great progress but aren’t there yet. See my numerous examples yet again for help.
So do nothing to help with crime and dysfunctional behavior because it’s all just a personal problem? Again go back to what I’ve said and you’ll see what I’m advocating for. Maybe it’s the SJW in me who thinks society should look at ways to help with societal issues.
The media is a huge part of the problem. You have all these black gangster movies, like back when I was a kid Menace to Society and Boyz N the Hood were popular movies, and then all these rappers talking about shooting, robbing, selling drugs, fucking hoes, and all their jewelry, expensive cars and clothes. Everyone in North America is exposed to that, and while a lot of black kids see those people as their role models, white people see that and see kids trying to imitate them and it’s no wonder a lot of them are scared.
Wait, they’re scientologists too? You’ve got to be shitting me! No way haha.
Anywhoo, I agree that disenfranchised white folks from shitty situations don’t have the “champion” that minorities do with SJWs. And it’s too bad. But, those white folks also don’t face the same obstacles as minorities, while minorities tupically face the same obstacles as white folks with the addition of racial obstacles… Hence the need for affirmative action type policies to try and level the playing field.
But then again, life isn’t fair. How far should we go to level the playing field and provide equal opportunity? My parents worked their ass off to provide me with above average opportunity, and I’m going the same for my kids. Why should those hard earned privileges be wiped off the board? I’m happy to acknowledge those priveleges, but unwilling to give them up as my parents busted ass to provide them for me.
That seems to be the implications of what you are saying.
How do Chinese, Indians, Mexicans, and Russians contribute to black crime and poverty?
You’re talking about white nationalists, I’m telling you that some black civil rights leaders felt they had more in common with the KKK than white liberals like yourself. And people like Farrakhan are still preaching that, it has everything to do with this discussion.
Idle chit chat
That’s not what I’m saying at all. You are the one talking about oppression and discrimination and saying that race-based crime statistics shouldn’t be published. I don’t have a simple solution to propose because it’s not a simple problem, but something needs to be done to get people away from criminal behaviour, gangs, drugs, etc. Liberals just want to look the other way (no black crime statistics) and let people live off food stamps and welfare.
That’s not a bad idea, but like I already asked, what can you do about it? Are more rich and educated black people gong to stop the kids in the projects from selling drugs and shooting their enemies? All the negative influences are still there, and there is still a culture of not working and committing crime. That’s what needs to be addressed. If I had a quick solution I could post on a forum I would have won a Nobel prize by now.
Meh, the media gets blamed for everything. Violence in movies and video games cause mass shootings!!! Etc.
I think it has muchore to do with the people around you on a day to day basis and how hard it is to break the cycle of drugs and poor decisions. It’s all you know if it’s what you were raised around.
Since the announcement in 2010, the Nation of Islam has hosted its own Dianetics courses and its own graduation ceremonies. At the third such ceremony, which was held on Saviours’ Day 2013, it was announced that nearly 8500 members of the organization had undergone Dianetics auditing. The organization announced it had graduated 1,055 auditors and had delivered 82,424 hours of auditing. The graduation ceremony was certified by the Church of Scientology, and the Nation of Islam members received certification.
It’s worse than that though. L Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, was mentored by Aleister Crowley, founder of Ordo Templi Orientis, which Hubbard was also a member of. Crowley was also known as “666 The Beast” and was into all sorts of satanic rituals, he was even expelled from Italy for that along with having sex with livestock. NOI is a satanic cult. Look into what they preach, they claim to be Muslims but they believe in multiple gods and all kinds of crazy shit. They killed Malcolm X because he figured out what was going on.
Well, that’s the question. I’m not opposed to policies and actions that help minorities, but it shouldn’t be done to the detriment of white people. And the whole point is to help people become self sufficient, not make living off welfare more comfortable.
How so? I already said all races can contribute and that includes black people.
The same way everyone else does.
Not in the least bit. Dialogue and action lead to advancements.
Horseshit. You said I’m a white liberal and I haven’t said that once nor do I think it. Quit putting all people who may lean left into one box.
I’m already educating dumbasses who think the issues don’t exist in here. Now imagine what more people coming to the conclusion could do.
Isn’t the obvious answer yes? Black people don’t have monopolies on those things.
It’s not a cultural thing. I’m going to guess you need to spend some time looking into white rural area issues. Is not working and using drugs a white people culture?
It’s also been dismissed time and time again via studies. Violence in games and in media has drastically risen since the 80’s and crime is much lower. Eminem Kendrick Lamar and Call of Duty aren’t why crime exists.
How? You are just being childish right now. I’m not looking for another argument about nothing, explain what you mean.
What action? What do you propose?
You lean left but you aren’t a liberal? OK. Then replace “liberal” with “people who may lean left” and it’s the same thing.
Maybe we need some black people instead of white liberals and left-leaners
How? More black people are getting educations and good jobs now and crime is still high. Ottawa and Toronto have more shootings than ever, and Toronto is worse than NYC. And it’s at least 90% black men doing the shooting and killing.
If you got the kids in the projects to do well in school and get good jobs then that would make a huge difference, but it’s not that simple. Some of the projects in Toronto are so big you can drive for almost 10 minutes straight and you’re still in the same project, there is nothing there except houses and apartments and maybe the odd store, and nothing much good going on. Is putting more rich black people on TV going to fix that? The people with money who they see in real life are criminals.
There are a lot of white people in Ottawa who live like that, right around my neighborhood too. If i look out my balcony I see part of housing co-op, a lot of people there are on welfare, half of them are white, a lot of them are into crack, fentanyl, and who knows what else. If I drive a few minutes away to Vanier where there is a liquor store you always have at least one person begging outside, if not white then native, and when it’s warm there are prostitutes openly selling themselves on the street, usually all white.
It’s both. If you don’t have a father and don’t know anybody remotely successful then who are your role models? If you don’t think that kids are influenced by music and movies then you don’t realize what is going on.
Societal issues are impacted by members of society.
Increased access to healthcare and education. Affordability for those. Increased involvement in those communities to empower and improve. I suppose that’s just SJW shit.
You missed the point. I fit your box but don’t call for those things. Most people don’t. I don’t think many liberals want what you claim they do. It’s just a fun talking point for righties. I don’t care if you call me a white liberal if you’d prefer it. Again it has nothing to do with the points I’m making. But all liberals think x is pretty typical. You say white liberals want this and you think I’m a white liberal and I don’t want that stuff.
Another box. Fun fact blacks people are also doing those things.
Hard issues to solve are never simple. But pretending the issues don’t exist because herp derp we have black lawyers doesn’t do shit. Neither does it’s up to those people alone to fix everything.
No. Again who is saying that in this thread?
Highly overrated. And study after study has shown it. Again the drop in crime happened as increased violence and sex on tv and games went up. Maybe more violence and more sex on those will solve it!