so, you think their scared to screw with the Russians and the Chinese?
Why? because they’d slaughter them no questions asked.
If they did what would you say then?
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oh no, read this…
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-help-unveil-realistic-military-plan-205247377.html
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What if the people getting bombed and invaded by the US government believe it is the US government that is the terrorist organization?[/quote]
http://www.cnbc.com/id/45777975/U_S_District_Court_Rules_Iran_Behind_9_11_Attacks
Gee, what a happy little coincidence that every country that stands to uproot the security of the petro-dollar is also responsible for 9/11…
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Good point. If they believe that then they are extremely stupid. Unfortunately they don’t believe that. That’s why they only feed that line to the western media whereas to themselves they advocate ‘much wailing,’ blaming suicide attacks on the infidels and preaching the necessity of waging a war of extermination, subjugation and extortion against all non-Muslims until the end of time.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
What if the people getting bombed and invaded by the US government believe it is the US government that is the terrorist organization?[/quote]
because the same people getting bombed and killed by the Russian and Chinese governments TRADE with them. If Israel did what China and Russia did, there’d be total outrage across the Muslim world. And aren’t the Russians and Chinese infidels?
So, it’s all bullshit propaganda all around the board.
Either that, or it’s blatant racism on the part of the Muslims. I guess the slanty eyed Central Asian Muslims just aren’t worth a jihad.
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
Family Guy thing[/quote]
I guess the Family Guy writers missed this:
http://frontpagemag.com/2011/09/09/iran’s-dirty-911-secrets/
Was written before this too:
http://www.bloomberg.com/article/2011-12-23/aYoOcZ6NT3wo.html
Iran has been involved in every major terrorist attack against the U.S. prior to 9/11 also. Al-Qaeda’s top financier is being harboured in Iran along with most of Osama bin Laden’s direct family members. Iran’s top terrorist asset Mughniyeh was the Iranian al-Qaeda go between and a member of Tehran based Committee of Three along with OBL. Mughniyeh personally killed thousands of Americans - U.S. Marine Barracks, Khobar Towers - he tortured to death and beheaded CIA Beirut station chief William Buckley. Was involved in dozens of other kidnappings, murders and assassinations of Americans.
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/45777975/U_S_District_Court_Rules_Iran_Behind_9_11_Attacks
Gee, what a happy little coincidence that every country that stands to uproot the security of the petro-dollar is also responsible for 9/11…[/quote]
So now Iran was behind 9/11? Now what? Bomb Iran, to what end? What exactly is going to be achieved by this?
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/45777975/U_S_District_Court_Rules_Iran_Behind_9_11_Attacks
Gee, what a happy little coincidence that every country that stands to uproot the security of the petro-dollar is also responsible for 9/11…[/quote]
So now Iran was behind 9/11? Now what? Bomb Iran, to what end? What exactly is going to be achieved by this? [/quote]
Well, bombing Iran would be a great way to further crowd out the petro-euro and prolong the U.S’s economic supremacy… Oh, and stop the terrorists! Yeah, that’s it…
Obama unveiling ‘leaner military’ today has, as a neutral observer, to be pretty poor political timing
All we need now is a bout of sabre-rattling from the GOP and they rise 10 points in the polls.
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
So now Iran was behind 9/11?
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Depends what you mean. They would not have had foreknowledge of the exact time and details of the attacks but they certainly knew Sheikh Osama was planning something big and they used their Iran/al-Qaeda go between and number 1 terrorst asset Imad Mughniyeh to aid al-Qaeda and the hi-jackers logistically.
Not possible. The West is a laughing stock. No one takes the west seriously.
Bomb the shit out of their leadership, military and if necessary the infrastructure that these rely upon. Demand unconditional surrender - no talk of withdrawal etc. Only way to win any war. Only way to be taken seriously.
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What exactly is going to be achieved by this? [/quote]
Der…less attacks like 9/11, Khobar Towers, Beirut Marine Barracks, Beirut Embassy, TWA847 hi-jacking & murder of Robert Stethen; kidnapping and murders of Terry Anderson and Terry Waite, and torture murder and beheading of William Francis Buckley etc etc
Safe and secure shipping lanes. Will bring political and economic stability instead of failed states sponsoring terrorism and massacring thousands of western civilians all over the globe. No more nuclear threat. No more genocidal incitement and calls to Jihad etc
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Bomb the shit out of their leadership, military and if necessary the infrastructure that these rely upon. Demand unconditional surrender - no talk of withdrawal etc. Only way to win any war. Only way to be taken seriously.
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What exactly is going to be achieved by this? [/quote]
Der…less attacks like 9/11, Khobar Towers, Beirut Marine Barracks, Beirut Embassy, TWA847 hi-jacking & murder of Robert Stethen; kidnapping and murders of Terry Anderson and Terry Waite, and torture murder and beheading of William Francis Buckley etc etc
Safe and secure shipping lanes. Will bring political and economic stability instead of failed states sponsoring terrorism and massacring thousands of western civilians all over the globe. No more nuclear threat. No more genocidal incitement and calls to Jihad etc[/quote]
You are going to get all this from some bombs?
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Bomb the shit out of their leadership, military and if necessary the infrastructure that these rely upon. Demand unconditional surrender - no talk of withdrawal etc. Only way to win any war. Only way to be taken seriously.
[quote]
What exactly is going to be achieved by this? [/quote]
Der…less attacks like 9/11, Khobar Towers, Beirut Marine Barracks, Beirut Embassy, TWA847 hi-jacking & murder of Robert Stethen; kidnapping and murders of Terry Anderson and Terry Waite, and torture murder and beheading of William Francis Buckley etc etc
Safe and secure shipping lanes. Will bring political and economic stability instead of failed states sponsoring terrorism and massacring thousands of western civilians all over the globe. No more nuclear threat. No more genocidal incitement and calls to Jihad etc[/quote]
You are going to get all this from some bombs?[/quote]
No not at all. But they’re a major problem and getting rid of the fanatical theocratic regime is necessary. It wouldn’t take a whole lot to aid the democratic reformers, kill off some of the leading nutters and try to restore the country to some sort of semblance of normal relations with their neighbours and the west - at least in comparison to what we’ve had since 1979. No nation building just get rid of the fruitcakes and the nuclear threat.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Bomb the shit out of their leadership, military and if necessary the infrastructure that these rely upon. Demand unconditional surrender - no talk of withdrawal etc. Only way to win any war. Only way to be taken seriously.
[quote]
What exactly is going to be achieved by this? [/quote]
Der…less attacks like 9/11, Khobar Towers, Beirut Marine Barracks, Beirut Embassy, TWA847 hi-jacking & murder of Robert Stethen; kidnapping and murders of Terry Anderson and Terry Waite, and torture murder and beheading of William Francis Buckley etc etc
Safe and secure shipping lanes. Will bring political and economic stability instead of failed states sponsoring terrorism and massacring thousands of western civilians all over the globe. No more nuclear threat. No more genocidal incitement and calls to Jihad etc[/quote]
You are going to get all this from some bombs?[/quote]
No not at all. But they’re a major problem and getting rid of the fanatical theocratic regime is necessary. It wouldn’t take a whole lot to aid the democratic reformers, kill off some of the leading nutters and try to restore the country to some sort of semblance of normal relations with their neighbours and the west - at least in comparison to what we’ve had since 1979. No nation building just get rid of the fruitcakes and the nuclear threat.[/quote]
Do you honestly believe that the population of Iran many of which dislike the current regime would let you do that? An attack of any size is exactly what the regime in Iran wants to strengthen their position of power. You see no matter how much as an American citizen you may disagree with you government if attacked the population pulls together, yes it’s a knee jerk reaction and not right in the big scheme of things but that’s what would happen, same thing happens when say police intervene in a domestic violence situation and family members turn on to the police. Then by getting rid of the nutjobs there are hundreds of other nutjobs to replace them and if not then a load of other power hungry nutjobs will want in on the power.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Bomb the shit out of their leadership, military and if necessary the infrastructure that these rely upon. Demand unconditional surrender - no talk of withdrawal etc. Only way to win any war. Only way to be taken seriously.
Probably true. I’d like to get rid of 'em.
I’m not sure I can agree that it “wouldn’t take a lot.” But I do think it may become necessary.
Isn’t this close to what Bush intended before going into Afghanistan. I don’t see any “easy” options for getting rid of Iranian’s leadership and sponsorship of terrorists. However, I do think we may need to chose one of the harder options soon.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Isn’t this close to what Bush intended before going into Afghanistan. I don’t see any “easy” options for getting rid of Iranian’s leadership and sponsorship of terrorists. However, I do think we may need to chose one of the harder options soon.
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Huge difference between Afghani society and Iran and 90% of the Muslim population of Iran are Shia so you would not see the kind of sectarian chaos that you see in Iraq.
[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
Do you honestly believe that the population of Iran many of which dislike the current regime would let you do that?
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They won’t have any say in the matter.
Interesting story. Doesn’t explain how to deal with the nuclear fruitcakes though.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Isn’t this close to what Bush intended before going into Afghanistan. I don’t see any “easy” options for getting rid of Iranian’s leadership and sponsorship of terrorists. However, I do think we may need to chose one of the harder options soon.
[/quote]
Huge difference between Afghani society and Iran and 90% of the Muslim population of Iran are Shia so you would not see the kind of sectarian chaos that you see in Iraq.[/quote]
How is the CIA presence in Iran? Do we know where the targets are? Listen, all I’m saying is there are a great number of “unknown unknowns” (to borrow a phrase) with Iran and no easy answers.
To underscore the difficulties there…
Eh, in the not too terribly distant future we’ll wake up to hear they carried out a successful test. Then, the debate will be over.
