Iran: If Not Now, When?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]revamp wrote:

Before the crusades arab nations hated each other

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Before the crusades there were no ‘Arab nations.’ Not till after the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire were there Arab nations.

No, Jihad merged them. The first crusade was a response to Mohammad’s successors’ invasions of Christian Byzantine lands.

Israel shouldn’t be kept on a ‘leash’ - the stronger Israel is the better Western interests will be represented in the region and Israel provides a counter balance to the Arab League AND Iran.

It most certainly did.

No it didn’t.

No Arab countries were invaded during the crusades.

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With out getting into to much detail as this thread is not about the quotes you pointed out jihad is an effort to practice religion in the face of oppression and persecution not a holy war. It wasnt until one of the rulers used the term jihad to fight that it was used as “holy war”.

You are right about arab countries being invaded im not sure where i was going with that 4am im still wide awake tonight I may have been thinking about russia and afgan at that stage

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I have a feeling the Iranians just might answer the when question for us.

http://www.debka.com/article/21615/

In another heated escalation over the strategic Strait of Hormuz, Iran Tuesday, Jan. 3, threatened to take action if the US aircraft carrier which “moved to the Sea of Oman because of our drill returns to the Persian Gulf.” Army chief Lt. Gen. Ataolla Salehi said:" Iran will not repeat this warning."
He referred to the USS Stennis as “the enemy’s carrier,” which “I recommend and emphasize? not return to the Persian Gulf.” He avoided naming the US vessel or the details of action Iran might take if it returned.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

http://www.peterdiekmeyer.com/080615.html[/quote]

Toys.

The Iranians have the Russian Sunburn.

4,5 tons, 750lbs warhead, speed of mach 2,1, erratic end manouvers to avoid interception and specifically designed to counter the ECM measures or an Aegis destroyer.

It also flies only a few feet above the water which makes it virtually undetectable.

Conclusion:

Unless you see it being launched, you have no idea that it is coming.

IF you see it being launched, you have no idea where it is going.

When you find out where it is going and it is your way, you have a split second at best which is best invested in praying.

Van Riper sank the US fleet, um, I am sorry, Team Blue with missiles that are the equivalent of throwing rocks compared to that. [/quote]

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/149769-u-s-aircraft-carrier-enters-zone-near-iranian-oil-route-tensions-rise-3.html

Seems the only people who agree with you there are Iranians and Pakistanis.[/quote]

And the Russians, Chinese, Indians…[/quote]

We know this: the weak will always collude against the strong. Personally, I think as many of you probably do; we are seeing the foundations of the next major world conflict. I sincerely hope I’m wrong.

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:

We know this: the weak will always collude against the strong. Personally, I think as many of you probably do; we are seeing the foundations of the next major world conflict. I sincerely hope I’m wrong.
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I do not think that Russia considers herself to be “weak”.

They are hardcore realist pragmatists and unable and unwilling to ruin themselves to acquire the newest shining toys the US arms industry churns out.

Therefore they looked specifically into the US weaknesses, one of the results was the development of a supersonic anti ship missile program, which pays for itself because you can sell these things like sliced bread.

The fact that this also keep the US out of Russias sphere of influence is a nice bonus, if Russia ever wants to show whats what in that region they do not need ships and tanks they have plenty.

China simply has copied the Russian approach.

There is not much collusion, at least not more than necessary in the face of an aggressive and erratic 400lbs gorilla in the room, but given that US weapon systems have the same weaknesses no matter who they threaten, it makes sense to pool resources in a way.

Chinas and Irans situation are somewhat similar, the US demands dominion over the Persian Gulf and the South Chinese sea.

It should be clear that that will be forever and always be seen as merely temporary by these nations.

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[quote]revamp wrote:
With out getting into to much detail as this thread is not about the quotes you pointed out jihad is an effort to practice religion in the face of oppression and persecution not a holy war. It wasnt until one of the rulers used the term jihad to fight that it was used as “holy war”.

You are right about arab countries being invaded im not sure where i was going with that 4am im still wide awake tonight I may have been thinking about russia and afgan at that stage[/quote]

When your religion commands you to spread it by force, you’re the oppressor, not the victim of oppression. Multiculturalists can fuck/kill themselves.

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[quote]belligerent wrote:

[quote]revamp wrote:
With out getting into to much detail as this thread is not about the quotes you pointed out jihad is an effort to practice religion in the face of oppression and persecution not a holy war. It wasnt until one of the rulers used the term jihad to fight that it was used as “holy war”.

You are right about arab countries being invaded im not sure where i was going with that 4am im still wide awake tonight I may have been thinking about russia and afgan at that stage[/quote]

When your religion commands you to spread it by force, you’re the oppressor, not the victim of oppression. Multiculturalists can fuck/kill themselves. [/quote]

Ever looked into the history of the crusades?

Deus vult!

Also, please stop your anti-semitic rants.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]belligerent wrote:

[quote]revamp wrote:
With out getting into to much detail as this thread is not about the quotes you pointed out jihad is an effort to practice religion in the face of oppression and persecution not a holy war. It wasnt until one of the rulers used the term jihad to fight that it was used as “holy war”.

You are right about arab countries being invaded im not sure where i was going with that 4am im still wide awake tonight I may have been thinking about russia and afgan at that stage[/quote]

When your religion commands you to spread it by force, you’re the oppressor, not the victim of oppression. Multiculturalists can fuck/kill themselves. [/quote]

Ever looked into the history of the crusades?

Deus vult!

Also, please stop your anti-semitic rants. [/quote]

It is irrelevant what happened 1000 years ago. In 2011, Islam is the only religion with a large-scale movement whose goal is to spread itself by force and rule the world according to religious law.

More importantly, your moral relativism is simply disgusting. You argue as though the actions of Christians 1000 years ago somehow makes it OK for Muslims to commit their crimes today, as if the standard of human conduct is the worst atrocity committed by someone else to date. But as long as you insist on clinging to such an vile philosophy, others have killed themselves, so why don’t you?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
The fool who was birthed on the Navajo reservation is now a military strategy and technology genius?[/quote]

What fool?

Where?

Do I know him?

Does he speak gibberish like rahrahUSkillthemall?

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[quote]belligerent wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]belligerent wrote:

[quote]revamp wrote:
With out getting into to much detail as this thread is not about the quotes you pointed out jihad is an effort to practice religion in the face of oppression and persecution not a holy war. It wasnt until one of the rulers used the term jihad to fight that it was used as “holy war”.

You are right about arab countries being invaded im not sure where i was going with that 4am im still wide awake tonight I may have been thinking about russia and afgan at that stage[/quote]

When your religion commands you to spread it by force, you’re the oppressor, not the victim of oppression. Multiculturalists can fuck/kill themselves. [/quote]

Ever looked into the history of the crusades?

Deus vult!

Also, please stop your anti-semitic rants. [/quote]

It is irrelevant what happened 1000 years ago. In 2011, Islam is the only religion with a large-scale movement whose goal is to spread itself by force and rule the world according to religious law.

More importantly, your moral relativism is simply disgusting. You argue as though the actions of Christians 1000 years ago somehow makes it OK for Muslims to commit their crimes today, as if the standard of human conduct is the worst atrocity committed by someone else to date. But as long as you insist on clinging to such an vile philosophy, others have killed themselves, so why don’t you?
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Well, you act as if them killing themselves in their little shithole countries is an excuse for killing them.

I can be a relativise morally with the very best of them.

Someone we believe to be connected with an act of terror —> lets pretend he lives in a real country and fuck them up.

Someone we believe to be connected with an act of terror -----> lets pretend some other country had something to do with it and fuck them up.

Spread disease as a political weapon, take their sick, elderly and children hostage ----> be outraged when they fight back.

Install dictators, supply enemies with intelligence -----> wonder why they hate you.

Cut the crap.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
The fool who was birthed on the Navajo reservation is now a military strategy and technology genius?[/quote]

As Sowell would say, compared to whom?

People who would not find their so called enemies on a map?

Hellz to the yeah!

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
When the medicine stings goin’ down, Joe, you know it’s good for you.[/quote]

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:

This will be a shocker, but what happens if we leave other countries and mind our own business? Can we just leave a given country alone until we are attacked first?

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What country/group is the United States waging war against that has NOT attacked it first? Don’t bother.[/quote]

What if the people getting bombed and invaded by the US government believe it is the US government that is the terrorist organization?

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'Salehi’s bluster likely is just that because he and everybody else in the Middle East knows Iran’s naval forces would quickly cease to exist as a result of an engagement with the Stennis task force. For decades, America has maintained sufficient military strength in the waters of the region in order to keep international shipping lanes open to all countries. That includes the strategically critical Strait of Hormuz, the narrow channel at the southern terminus of the gulf through which a fifth of the world’s ocean-going commerce passes. Iran periodically threatens to close the strait in response to real and imagined threats.

The key fact is that all of these calculations depend upon the maintenance of a U.S. military capable of projecting whatever force is required to protect international commerce, including the power to neutralize hostile forces from Iran or elsewhere. And there are grave doubts about how much longer such forces will be available to U.S. officials. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta is expected later this week to make public his proposal for implementing nearly $500 billion in defense spending cuts over the next decade.’

Experts agree that those reductions will significantly reduce U.S. military capabilities, but there is disagreement about the consequences, especially if further cuts are mandated following the 2012 election. It should not be forgotten that whenever there is a crisis anywhere in the world, the first question often asked by an American president is “where are the carriers.” Iran’s latest saber-rattling should remind Americans that we dare not risk a world in which the answer to that question is “in the scrap yard, Mr. President.”

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/2012/01/ignore-iranian-bluster-and-keep-world-shipping-lanes-open/2058131#ixzz1iS0MC6F5

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[quote]orion wrote:
Ever looked into the history of the crusades?

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forget the history of the crusades, here’s how Iran’s # 1 trading partners deals with Muslims today:

http://www.hrw.org/news/2000/02/29/war-crimes-chechnya-and-response-west

I don’t hear Iran saying shit about this. 2 faced hypocritical imbicles.

now let’s hear the excuses for these actions.

3…2…

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Ever looked into the history of the crusades?

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forget the history of the crusades, here’s how Iran’s # 1 trading partners deals with Muslims today:

http://www.hrw.org/news/2000/02/29/war-crimes-chechnya-and-response-west

I don’t hear Iran saying shit about this. 2 faced hypocritical imbicles.

now let’s hear the excuses for these actions.

3…2…[/quote]

In fact they are four faced snakes.

Which is better than the one faced village idiot with retard strength.

THEY actually know when something is above their pay grade, no such luck with American politicians.