‘Talk of blocking the strategic oil route through the Strait of Hormuz is a discussion of the past, a commander of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard said Saturday in comments that seemed to back away from an earlier threat. But he said Iran had other, unspecified strategies for reacting to any Western aggression.’
US now has 3 carrier strike groups in the region. Last time Iran mined the strait during the tanker wars US Navy cleared them quickly and opened up the shipping lane.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
http://www.peterdiekmeyer.com/080615.html[/quote]
Toys.
The Iranians have the Russian Sunburn.
4,5 tons, 750lbs warhead, speed of mach 2,1, erratic end manouvers to avoid interception and specifically designed to counter the ECM measures or an Aegis destroyer.
It also flies only a few feet above the water which makes it virtually undetectable.
Conclusion:
Unless you see it being launched, you have no idea that it is coming.
IF you see it being launched, you have no idea where it is going.
When you find out where it is going and it is your way, you have a split second at best which is best invested in praying.
Van Riper sank the US fleet, um, I am sorry, Team Blue with missiles that are the equivalent of throwing rocks compared to that. [/quote]
Seems the only people who agree with you there are Iranians and Pakistanis.[/quote]
And the Russians, Chinese, Indians…
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Blocking the strait is the very LAST thing the Iranians would do. It’s virtually a scorched earth policy. 80% of ME oil goes through there.
Iran will respond by waging proxy wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Syria, Israel etc using Hezbollah, HAMAS and Islamic Jihad etc.
The idea that the US Navy, with 10+ carrier groups could be completely wiped out by swarm tactics and missiles with a range of 180 miles is absurd. Swarm tactics, missiles, speed boats etc add to Iran’s assymetric capabilities. That’s all.[/quote]
The US navy no, but every ship that gets into the Persian Gulf.
And, yes, this would be a scorched earth policy.
Read up on the effectiveness of that strategy.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Missile defence is the largest component of the US defence budget. US spends more on missile defence than the entire Iranian GDP.[/quote]
Well that is just swell.
Unfortunately the Russians are roughly 10 years ahead of everyone else in super sonic anti ship missiles.
Does not matter how much chainmail you got when your opponent has a machine gun.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
‘Talk of blocking the strategic oil route through the Strait of Hormuz is a discussion of the past, a commander of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard said Saturday in comments that seemed to back away from an earlier threat. But he said Iran had other, unspecified strategies for reacting to any Western aggression.’
US now has 3 carrier strike groups in the region. Last time Iran mined the strait during the tanker wars US Navy cleared them quickly and opened up the shipping lane.[/quote]
Where they shot at while clearing it?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
‘Talk of blocking the strategic oil route through the Strait of Hormuz is a discussion of the past, a commander of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard said Saturday in comments that seemed to back away from an earlier threat. But he said Iran had other, unspecified strategies for reacting to any Western aggression.’
US now has 3 carrier strike groups in the region. Last time Iran mined the strait during the tanker wars US Navy cleared them quickly and opened up the shipping lane.[/quote]
Where they shot at while clearing it?[/quote]
Get a haircut hippy.
Question: Iran: If Not Now, When?
Answer: very soon, be patient.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Question: Iran: If Not Now, When?
Answer: very soon, be patient.[/quote]
Soon, and very soon. They just test fired short range missiles today.
CS
Well, I hope they make a video.
I doubt that we will see a Nimitz class carrier sunk in our lifetime again.
There’s probably a job for you at RTV or PressTV orion. Maybe even the North Korean state channel. You’ve really got that old William Joyce touch.
[quote]orion wrote:
Well, I hope they make a video.
I doubt that we will see a Nimitz class carrier sunk in our lifetime again. [/quote]
Recently read a Navy position paper about this. Yes, they realize that the Age of Supercarriers is over and are shifting to more mobile small carriers. They also have new defensive VERY unconventional defensive systems being installed on the USS Ronald Reagan, and these systems will work their way from newest to oldest.
Let’s just put it this way: if anyone thinks they can sink a carrier, they better try it very soon. Otherwise it won’t happen.
Iran poses a real threat, and a threat is an initiation of aggression. Threatening to shut off the world’s oil supply is as serious as threatening to attack us on our own soil. We should crush them.
Though it may be true that our presence in the middle east enrages the terrorists, that fact doesn’t justify Ron Paul’s foreign policy. The people we’re fighting are still terrorists, not patriots fighting for a valid cause (i.e. their own freedom), and we don’t owe them respect or an apology. Dictators, ethnic tribes and terrorist organizations do not have rights, and we must not recognize their claims to such.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
Though it may be true that our presence in the middle east enrages the terrorists, that fact doesn’t justify Ron Paul’s foreign policy. The people we’re fighting are still terrorists, not patriots fighting for a valid cause (i.e. their own freedom), and we don’t owe them respect or an apology. Dictators, ethnic tribes and terrorist organizations do not have rights, and we must not recognize their claims to such.[/quote]
Well that is entirely false.
You do recognize their rights plenty when the fought the SU for instance.
However, what you recognize or not is hardly relevant when in the long run they hold all the cards.
The blustering of a broken empire that is rapidly spiraling out of control is far less impressive than you seem to think, especially when in this specific instance its options are severely limited by geography, military technology and its economic dependencies.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]belligerent wrote:
Though it may be true that our presence in the middle east enrages the terrorists, that fact doesn’t justify Ron Paul’s foreign policy. The people we’re fighting are still terrorists, not patriots fighting for a valid cause (i.e. their own freedom), and we don’t owe them respect or an apology. Dictators, ethnic tribes and terrorist organizations do not have rights, and we must not recognize their claims to such.[/quote]
Well that is entirely false.
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When orion says that it’s a good sign you’re onto something.
Before the crusades arab nations hated each other the only thing that merged them was the crusades even now they are at each others throats. IMO Iran will get to big for its boots and the Arab nations will uprise against them them the west can aid them. Until then the west should keep Israel on a tight leash and rebuild as we (more the usa) have been at war for the better part of 15-20 years.
And before the crusades the term Islamic Jihad did not mean what it meant today the meaning changed during the crusades which side tracking a bit shows us that invading arab countries is not a easy thing to do as shown with the last two wars we have had we invaded we apparently won but have we changed anything I think not no disrespect to those that have died (I am former military).
The bigger picture is finding another way to power things other than oil once thats done these types of countries including African countries will not have us by the balls
My ramble is now complete and hard to read but its 2am so bah 
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]belligerent wrote:
Though it may be true that our presence in the middle east enrages the terrorists, that fact doesn’t justify Ron Paul’s foreign policy. The people we’re fighting are still terrorists, not patriots fighting for a valid cause (i.e. their own freedom), and we don’t owe them respect or an apology. Dictators, ethnic tribes and terrorist organizations do not have rights, and we must not recognize their claims to such.[/quote]
Well that is entirely false.
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When orion says that it’s a good sign you’re onto something.[/quote]
Yeah, and usually its not something good.