So I guess Krispy Kreme is ok to eat, and we should supplement with Canola oil.
Is soda ok, too? Oooo, how about a Whopper and supersized fries?
Eating a bad food will have a negative effect. The more you eat, the greater the effect. But you still get a negative impact from eating a bad food, which is the point.
No whoppers… but a double whopper with cheese is a completely different story. Excellent for your state of mind.
I think the main problem here is that early on NeilG tried to say the best diet was one very high in saturated fats. Now he’s falling back a lil and saying that sat. fats and mono’s should be about equal. He’s almost there… IMO the three fats should be about equal for health, like others say it’s all about balance.
And Neil, cooking foods in a buttload of butter is far from natural. Not all natural things are healthy, so stop using that term. You could use the term “fat laden” or somesuch.
Work on your social skills too. You get under people’s skin, because you have no clue how to debate without putting people down, because they disagree with you. I’m guessing it’s because they bring more evidence to the table, which gets under your skin, so you resort to childish games.
What to say? Neil, man you have a habit of stirring up all kinds of shit, but I must applaud you for it - you know, for shaking things up a bit. I’m not going to argue for or against the various nutritional subjects in this thread ( I think there has been enough of that already) but I will say that more diplomacy is needed from both Neil, and those who oppose his views. When Neil first came he came in a brash sort of way, but still responded to all the criticism with patience and references, only when all the forumites started namecalling and being jerks did he get defensive.
and just a added note, for those who call WAP foundation propagandist, I would ask what makes you say that? If anything, the WAP tries to dispel propaganda and encourage natural eating. I could understand if you don’t particularily agree with some of the things it in, since it doesn’t advocate protein powders and such, but I on a whole it is one of the more honest resources available.
Neil makes debut in T-mag with mixed reviews.
Neil starts to contribute good and bad.
Neil becomes argumentative.
Neil pisses people off.
Cravell PMs Neil to chill out and that I too had great results when you begin to train and start routine. So listen and learn.
Neil responds as follows:
NeilG
08/08/03
04:48 PM
Hey Jorge,
The only reason I would guess that that is the case is that the body reaches homeostasis, which is probably the healthy level for itself, and it would be tough to sorta force the body to get leaner (maybe to the point that it’s unhealthy).
Who knows, I don’t care anymore. I’m leaving T-Mag for good now. I got a letter from Chris Shugart and Tim Patterson telling me to stop posting because I don’t know what I’m talking about. I also had one of my threads deleted, and one thread I was recently participating in was locked, and none of my recent posts have showed up.
I’m done, who cares.
See ya
Neil is banned from t-mag.
Neil is reincarnated.
Neil is praised for his enthusiasm.
Neil group hugs half of forum.
Neil slowly returns to his old ways.
Neil pisses people off.
Pattern developing?
Moral of the story:
You can take Neil out of the forum but you can’t take … wait my bad…
Moral is: You just can polish a turd.
Interesting, Cravel. Especially since Tim doesn’t know who this kid is and I never told him to leave. I told him to do some reading before posting and offering medical advice. For full story, see the Reader Mail letter here -
Sadly, most people who could shut posters like this down in two sentences don’t bother to do so because they know it’s like feeding a troll.
Normally when I see any post written by Neil I skip it. The reason being is I’m not an expert. I am trying to learn and read as much as I can, BUT I want to read about conclusions drawn from real data. This shit is hard enough to understand without some jackass clouding the picture with opinions backed by statements like,
“You act like all research where people are dedicated or whatever is legit. They spend thousands of dollars to get a conclusion. So fucking what? That doesn’t mean shit. Do you know how many dumbass studies there are that cost a lot of money and there were dedicated people in the study?”
Thankfully statements like the above have been written by Neil along with his other “advice” so I know to heavily discount or skip what he is saying. I don’t have the background that someone like Eric or Cas has to draw from past experiences and immediately know the validity of what Neil is talking about.
The very first post Neil ever wrote I read and said, “Great this guy just contradicted everything I thought I knew.” It confused the hell out of me for half the day until I went back later and a bunch of people could provide evidence to the contrary.
I’m not saying people can’t have different opinions, I like a good debate, but it gets really confusing when bullshit is thrown around like it’s the truth with no substance to back it up.
Neil, back up your claims with data so the rest of us can learn, or shut the fuck up because you’re confusing the hell out of me and lowering the overall forum IQ. There is a secondary audience to each one of your posts, for their benefit, post intelligently, cite sources, and create knowledge, don’t destroy it.
Shugs,
Rumor has it that Jimmy Hoffa, Osama bin Laden, and the Joker/Riddler/Penguin/Catwoman are all out to get Neil, too!
Care to confirm or deny?
Eric,
I heard that Osama eats pot roast with butter all over it. That mf’er is one lean bastard that knows his nutrition. Wonder where he got this cutting edge information from?
Neil, have you been sending out helpful advice to Osama?
Has anyone ever tried rubbing BUTTER on their ass when they are doing HIIT? Afterwards, you can just rub your ass on a salami stick. Boyyyyyyy does that taste fantastic. And the fats from the butter and salami just can’t be beat. High quality I tell ya!
The nutrients soak right in and “it doesn’t go rancid (Neil)”!!!
Neil,
I know its difficult, but tell me a measurable difference in having a donut every so often(not living on them), or havign a wopper with cheese every now and again (once again, not living on them) would have in an otherwise good diet (and maintaining healthy weight/body fat and exercising?)
And do it by providing peer reviewed evidence, not just parrotting the extremest babblings from the fringe.
(4)
cycomike,
I believe you’re the one making the claim that it doesn’t 
cyco,
Your statements are absolutely idiotic and/or meaningless. Dougnuts are unhealthy. Whether or not a single donut, in a specific context, will cause tangible harm is a question of probability (which neither you nor I can calculate). But WTF is your point? One dougnut won’t kill you. Ok, but so what?
And it continually impresses me that most people flaming Neil seem to know less than he does and articulate their opinions like 8th graders. The irony is borderline perverse. Seems like a bunch of you think you’re funny when you’re really just idiots.
-Zulu
If I may add my two cents… Neil, you seem to like to stir up the pot in here a lot. That is fine because otherwise there is no discussion around here. But Neil, how old are you and where do you go to school? Are you planning on learning from REAL classes or are you going to learn from the internet. I mean I guess we have to make our own conclusions but I just don’t know why you go against people in here who have been through a lot of schooling for these types of questions e.g. Cass. I do think you are a smart kid but sometimes a small amount of information can be “dangerous.” So what are your plans for the future? Are you going to sell books based on people on some cooky internet site or will you do your own studies? I for one am going to go to medical school in a few years. I do not know all of the answers, which leads me to wonder why you think you do. This is not supposed to be a flame so if I came off like an ass I am sorry.
Zulu wrote: Your statements are absolutely idiotic and/or meaningless. Dougnuts are unhealthy. Whether or not a single donut, in a specific context, will cause tangible harm is a question of probability (which neither you nor I can calculate). But WTF is your point? One dougnut won’t kill you. Ok, but so what?
The point, I think, is that if one donut (or a certain number of donuts, not to exceed a given level) has no discernable impact on your health, then it is not, in fact, “unhealthy”.
Think about it: If eating a donut doesn’t change your appearance, doesn’t affect your lipid levels, can’t be measured by a doctor, etc. etc., then what’s the problem? You can say that it’s “unhealthy” all you like, but the fact is that it hasn’t affected your health at all.
There are a lot of mechanisms in the body that seem to kick in only after a certain tolerance level or saturation level has been reached. If you don’t reach that level, then there’s no problem. None.
Donuts could, actually, be beneficial at certain times and under certain conditions, as with a leptin overfeed on the CD/EDT protocol. Having a few every four days won’t hurt your health, and they will enable you to meet your replenishment goals. (Of course, other, “healthier” food choices can do the same thing.)
So while living off of Big Macs and so on will produce a physique like Mama Cass, and all the associated health problems to boot, having one every so often isn’t going to hurt anything. And if the alternative is for some skinny bastard to go without food, then personally, I think having the Big Mac is actually the better choice.
Actually Char,
The better choice would be APPLE PIE!
Sorry, I couldn’t resist. lol.
Two more things to add to this outrageously lengthy post.
1> Let’s take Serrano for what he is. An incredibly entertaining speaker with some great ideas. He is an intelligent man, yet, he still makes unsubstantiated claims at times.
Also, the “discussion” between him and UDO at the swis was priceless.
Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t have it any other way. At least he hangs them out there.
(That and his cartoon character shirts)
2> Neil G is after attention. If you don’t reply to any of his child like “circular reasoning” he will go away. I promise.
No, zulu, the statements are neither idiotic nor meaningless. You obviously cant understand the concept.
You cannot proove that adding a donut to the diet is unhealth because one donut every now and again is going to make NO difference to the body at all. Worried about the trans fat content of the donut, how it is all unnatural etc, why eat butter with all its ‘unnatural’ trans fat?
Obviously char has the ability to understand the concept. One part of the diet is meaningless, the diet as a whole has to be looked at. One donut in a diet that has reams of f&V health fats and adeqate calories overall is not going to make one finger licking differnce to anything. A diet composed of nothing but donuts probably would (altho I havent seen anyone live off donuts alone
Who wants to volunteer to go on the Krispy Kreme diet? :0)
I’ll award One-Million Dollarz (think Dr. Evil voice here… hhaha) to the t-man who successfully completes this challenge.
This diet consists of donuts ONLY for breakfast, lunch, supper and post-workout supplementation.
After one week, this tremendous source of saturated and trans fats (along with maybe some linoleic acid), will make you look like Conan the Barbarian.
We can call this Survivor 5, T-Mag Style.
oooh oooh, can I do it?