2thepain,
Yes I think getting up an hour after and again at 3:00 would be fine. After the first couple times if your blood is ok I’d say the 3:00 was good.
And yes, IM will definitely hit the system faster, very similar to Bushy’s description of his friend. You may also be able to use less insulin if using IM.
Thanks for the info Bushy/Roofus. I will plan on shooting all slin IM PWO. Probably in weeks 6,7,8 and 9 of my 10 weeks cycle. Currently I’m planning on starting the cycle in 6 weeks.
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Hey 2the, what's up?
Good to see Bushy is here helping out your quest…It looks like there has been some nice information coming through your thread…good going…Nice way to plan ahead, and get things thoroughly sorted while getting ready to go forward with it…
Look forward to BIG THINGS coming your way in the form of serious hypertrophy!! :)
best,
ToneBone[/quote]
Your right on, I’m glad to have experienced and intelligent people on this board to help me in my planning. There is no way I would have ever attempted slin use just by going off of articles and chemical profiles alone. To say that I’m excited is an understatment. I really can’t wait to get it started. But I feel that I need the extra time off so that I am more responsive to the AAS in my cycle. At the time of my bulking cycle I will have been off AAS for about 20 weeks.
Thanks for the support Tone, I will keep you all posted.
Before I end my meesages in this thread I wish to get a final OK from the experienced slin users of the forum in regards to my post injection nutritional plan. My plan is to consume 60g protein and 60g hi GI carbs right after my injection.
Following my injection I will check my blood levels and consume 30g protein and 40g mixed carbs every 30 minutes. This will last for 3.5 hours in I shoot subQ and 3 hours if I shoot IM. I am unsure at this point which injection I will use. But regardless does this nutritional protocol seem standard?
Yes it does and you should expect some big gains in this cycle. Watch your alcahol consumption while your running slin. I would at the very least keep it at a minimum.
Get Swole,
Bis
The first few times I would definitely wait till you get home and stay up a full 4hrs after injection. After awhile though, I would inject immediatly after working out and start eating/drinking on the way home. That way you get the benefit of the insulin immediatly pwo and you can go to bed earlier with no worry. Dips after the peak(about 1hr) are rare, but not unheard of.
On bushy’s thought of getting lean, I don’t think so. Insulin signals the body to store fat and reduce lypolisis.(I can’t think how to spell worth shit right now?) They just run totally counter to each other. You never know though.
[quote]biscuite wrote:
Yes it does and you should expect some big gains in this cycle. Watch your alcahol consumption while your running slin. I would at the very least keep it at a minimum.
Get Swole,
Bis[/quote]
Thanks, I am going to attempt not drinking at all this entire cycle, however my friends would like to see otherwise. Regardless I will never drink while using slin, my outlined diet will be followed to the letter.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Pretzel Logic wrote:
On bushy’s thought of getting lean, I don’t think so. Insulin signals the body to store fat and reduce lypolisis.(I can’t think how to spell worth shit right now?) They just run totally counter to each other. You never know though.
On the surface of it I would have to agree with you.
However in a situation where the user is not consuming any fat (well not more than trace amounts) as in say a meal of oats and whey, and assuming that he doesn’t overdo it on the carb intake, then what fat is there to be taken up by the adipocytes?
Of course, lypolysis does tend to be reduced in the presence of insulin, so maybe my idea of getting leaner is a load of bollocks. I don’t really know for sure.
But since the carbs you ingest alongside your insulin are being forces into the muscle, along with the amino acids you co-intake, then what energy substrate is being used to power your daily activity?
This is the question I ask myself. If anyone has any ideas, or places to look for them, I’d be most greatful.
Bushy
Bushy [/quote]
I don’t plan of consuming any fat during my post insulin meals. Well, maybe a couple grams per meal, I think there is a little in my whey protein. But if I do gain a little fat I will not be concerned. I can cut easy when springs comes and this winter getting more muscle and strength is my main concern. Thanks all.
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
2thepain wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Pretzel Logic wrote:
On bushy’s thought of getting lean, I don’t think so. Insulin signals the body to store fat and reduce lypolisis.(I can’t think how to spell worth shit right now?) They just run totally counter to each other. You never know though.
On the surface of it I would have to agree with you.
However in a situation where the user is not consuming any fat (well not more than trace amounts) as in say a meal of oats and whey, and assuming that he doesn’t overdo it on the carb intake, then what fat is there to be taken up by the adipocytes?
Of course, lypolysis does tend to be reduced in the presence of insulin, so maybe my idea of getting leaner is a load of bollocks. I don’t really know for sure.
But since the carbs you ingest alongside your insulin are being forces into the muscle, along with the amino acids you co-intake, then what energy substrate is being used to power your daily activity?
This is the question I ask myself. If anyone has any ideas, or places to look for them, I’d be most greatful.
Bushy
Bushy
I don’t plan of consuming any fat during my post insulin meals. Well, maybe a couple grams per meal, I think there is a little in my whey protein. But if I do gain a little fat I will not be concerned. I can cut easy when springs comes and this winter getting more muscle and strength is my main concern. Thanks all.
Looks like you got yourself a solid and well planned out map of attack 2the. I look forward to your log, if able, and can't wait to hear how much insane muscle you aquire doing this. Keep those friends in check and don't let them coerce you into anything. It looks like you have a solid discipline as well you should with this.
good luck and be careful,
ToneBone[/quote]
Thanks Tone, I am very excited to begin. My various dosing protocols are laid out and I’m putting the final touches on my diet and training outlines. Look for the log to start up sometime early Dec. This will be my first actual log and I expect it to be a learning experience for myself and hopefully others.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Pretzel Logic wrote:
On bushy’s thought of getting lean, I don’t think so. Insulin signals the body to store fat and reduce lypolisis.(I can’t think how to spell worth shit right now?) They just run totally counter to each other. You never know though.
On the surface of it I would have to agree with you.
However in a situation where the user is not consuming any fat (well not more than trace amounts) as in say a meal of oats and whey, and assuming that he doesn’t overdo it on the carb intake, then what fat is there to be taken up by the adipocytes?
Of course, lypolysis does tend to be reduced in the presence of insulin, so maybe my idea of getting leaner is a load of bollocks. I don’t really know for sure.
But since the carbs you ingest alongside your insulin are being forces into the muscle, along with the amino acids you co-intake, then what energy substrate is being used to power your daily activity?
This is the question I ask myself. If anyone has any ideas, or places to look for them, I’d be most greatful.
Bushy
Bushy [/quote]
It might be possible. I was thinking.You know, if the insulin does it’s job too well and you don’t have any sugar power your body you go hypo. There may be a fine edge where you are not going hypo but don’t have anything extra so fat must be used for energy. During low carb insulin use where glucose is coming from gluconeogenesis from super high protein and the rest of the calories come from fat. High insulin levels can be used and no fat gained or even some lost. So it might work. Interesting thought either way.
2thepain,
I have some limited use with humalog post workout later in the evening. With your proposed eating post work out and pre bed meals you shouldnt have any isses. I didnt and ate relatively close to what you have outlined.
With the addition of GH and slin to my bulk last winter I was able to add an additional 10 lbs when I thought it was no longer possible.
Its almost game time again.
[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
2thepain,
I have some limited use with humalog post workout later in the evening. With your proposed eating post work out and pre bed meals you shouldnt have any isses. I didnt and ate relatively close to what you have outlined.
With the addition of GH and slin to my bulk last winter I was able to add an additional 10 lbs when I thought it was no longer possible.
Its almost game time again.[/quote]
Thanks LillGuy, if all goes as planned I expect to see some new ground being broke this winter in both weight and new PRs. It sounds like you are going to be running a heavy cycle this winter as well. I’m just curious, what are in your plans for next cycle?
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I have to say that this insulin pen is the schizzle!
I don’t even ‘feel’ the insulin, i.e it feels so natural, with no trace of hypo or any unpleasant symptom.
Get up, eat a mouthful of oats, dial in my slin dose and inject. Keep eating my oats, whilst drinking whey with water, and just co about my day.
Normally, besides the hassle of having to draw, use a syringe and disposable needle, I always get a little twitchy on humalog. This stuff just seems to mimic my own insulin secretion amazingly well.
Bushy
[/quote]
How have your results been so far in terms of weight gain and strength/recovery? I am also quite interested in the dosages used and planned duration of your use.
Ive used it and it fcukin sucked, very water logged and a whole bunch of carbs, used humlin R fast acting U must keep the carbs high…and I can’t stress that enough otherwise as U know you’ll go into insulin shock…otherwise known as hypoglycemic shock…