Inglourious Basterds

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[quote]fistacuffs wrote:
most boring piece of shit movie I’ve ever seen, the only redeeming thing about this crap was brad pitt and the basterds whom hardly got any screentime. I’m a fan of most tarantino flicks, reservoir dogs and pulp fiction being my favourite, but he really dropped the ball on this one. Movie was filled with tons of pointless dialogue and hardly no action, like the first scene for instance, like fuck if you know the jews are hiding under the floorboards fucking get down to it and kill them already rather then go on and on with pointless shit about cows and milk for 15 min. I don’t even want to get started on the bar scene with all the german officers.[/quote]

You should probably stick to films like GI Joe and Big Oily Butts 2.

The film is a visual novel, with dialogue far more intelligent than most of the bullshit processed through Hollywood these days.

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[quote]fistacuffs wrote:
most boring piece of shit movie I’ve ever seen, the only redeeming thing about this crap was brad pitt and the basterds whom hardly got any screentime. I’m a fan of most tarantino flicks, reservoir dogs and pulp fiction being my favourite, but he really dropped the ball on this one. Movie was filled with tons of pointless dialogue and hardly no action, like the first scene for instance, like fuck if you know the jews are hiding under the floorboards fucking get down to it and kill them already rather then go on and on with pointless shit about cows and milk for 15 min. I don’t even want to get started on the bar scene with all the german officers.[/quote]

Both the scenes you described were paramount for the development of the movie. Especially the opening scene. It fully illustrates just how intelligent the Jew Hunter is and why we believe everything he does throughout the movie. Not only does his “reputation” precede him, but he fully earns it and this is shown during the opening scene.

The Jew Hunter is the most versatile character in the movie, in my opinion. I loved the mind games he played with the Milk Farmer in the opening scene, he gets off playing games with people; that’s the point!

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[quote]polo77j wrote:
fistacuffs wrote:
most boring piece of shit movie I’ve ever seen, the only redeeming thing about this crap was brad pitt and the basterds whom hardly got any screentime. I’m a fan of most tarantino flicks, reservoir dogs and pulp fiction being my favourite, but he really dropped the ball on this one. Movie was filled with tons of pointless dialogue and hardly no action, like the first scene for instance, like fuck if you know the jews are hiding under the floorboards fucking get down to it and kill them already rather then go on and on with pointless shit about cows and milk for 15 min. I don’t even want to get started on the bar scene with all the german officers.

Both the scenes you described were paramount for the development of the movie. Especially the opening scene. It fully illustrates just how intelligent the Jew Hunter is and why we believe everything he does throughout the movie. Not only does his “reputation” precede him, but he fully earns it and this is shown during the opening scene.

The Jew Hunter is the most versatile character in the movie, in my opinion. I loved the mind games he played with the Milk Farmer in the opening scene, he gets off playing games with people; that’s the point![/quote]

alright you might be right about that, but you got to admit alot of the dialogue was pretty long and meaningless and basically did nothing to advance the plot. Are you really interested in hearing about the hatred of a rat over a squirrel, or how king kong resembles the negroes being brought into the U.S. I actually took a nap at this point until the movie started moving forward again. Reservoir dogs was wayy better then this crap, the characters were much more interesting and diverse in their personalities and actually made you care about their fates, unlike in this movie.

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Absolutely loved this movie. The scene at the farmhouse has to be one of the top 3 scenes in terms of tension building, dialogue, character development etc. The tension was just through the roof during that scene. Imo, Eli Roths performance is one of the best in years, he definitely stole the show. I highly recommend it and i’m going to be going for a second viewing as soon as I get a chance.

One thing that I will say is that the trailer and title definitely mis-portray the movie. For me though this was in a very good way. Do not go to this wanting to see an action movie because that’s not really what it is. It’s MUCH more Character driven and “artsy” then you would think from viewing the trailer. Also the Basterds do not play a significant role probably having less than 40% of the screen time.

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[quote]fistacuffs wrote:
polo77j wrote:
fistacuffs wrote:
most boring piece of shit movie I’ve ever seen, the only redeeming thing about this crap was brad pitt and the basterds whom hardly got any screentime. I’m a fan of most tarantino flicks, reservoir dogs and pulp fiction being my favourite, but he really dropped the ball on this one. Movie was filled with tons of pointless dialogue and hardly no action, like the first scene for instance, like fuck if you know the jews are hiding under the floorboards fucking get down to it and kill them already rather then go on and on with pointless shit about cows and milk for 15 min. I don’t even want to get started on the bar scene with all the german officers.

Both the scenes you described were paramount for the development of the movie. Especially the opening scene. It fully illustrates just how intelligent the Jew Hunter is and why we believe everything he does throughout the movie. Not only does his “reputation” precede him, but he fully earns it and this is shown during the opening scene.

The Jew Hunter is the most versatile character in the movie, in my opinion. I loved the mind games he played with the Milk Farmer in the opening scene, he gets off playing games with people; that’s the point!

alright you might be right about that, but you got to admit alot of the dialogue was pretty long and meaningless and basically did nothing to advance the plot. Are you really interested in hearing about the hatred of a rat over a squirrel, or how king kong resembles the negroes being brought into the U.S. I actually took a nap at this point until the movie started moving forward again. Reservoir dogs was wayy better then this crap, the characters were much more interesting and diverse in their personalities and actually made you care about their fates, unlike in this movie.[/quote]

There was a lot of dialogue, but I hung on every word, every facial expression, all of it.

Those long scenes of conversation should be appreciated from the performance angle. The story becomes secondary for that moment of time and the expressions, the looks, the words take the forefront. To me it’s like watching a musical in a sense. A song or a dance number won’t move a story along, it’s put in a film to show off to the audience. An opportunity for the director, cinematographer, coreagrapher, and the performers to really “woo” the audience.

That’s what the dialogue scenes mean to me. Two or more actors, cameras screwed in tight, actors under the gun to really act and sell the words spoken, often in really tense moments…

It’s a rare thing, and probably why the best actors want to work with Tarantino.

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SPOILER!!!ALERT!!!

Really enjoyed it. Kept wondering if he was going to roast the entire German high command alive. Stick with history? Or barbeque? Then remembered the beginning: ‘Once upon a time’. Fantasy. I’m still laughing about parts of it. Couldn’t recommend it highly enough, unless you’re put off by Q’s random (and graphic) violence. Christoph Waltz should get an oscar.

Andy

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Awesome movie. Best Ive seen all year. It makes the real story of Hitlers rise and fall seem kinda lame. Brad Pitt was fuckin hilarious!

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
fistacuffs wrote:
polo77j wrote:
fistacuffs wrote:
most boring piece of shit movie I’ve ever seen, the only redeeming thing about this crap was brad pitt and the basterds whom hardly got any screentime. I’m a fan of most tarantino flicks, reservoir dogs and pulp fiction being my favourite, but he really dropped the ball on this one. Movie was filled with tons of pointless dialogue and hardly no action, like the first scene for instance, like fuck if you know the jews are hiding under the floorboards fucking get down to it and kill them already rather then go on and on with pointless shit about cows and milk for 15 min. I don’t even want to get started on the bar scene with all the german officers.

Both the scenes you described were paramount for the development of the movie. Especially the opening scene. It fully illustrates just how intelligent the Jew Hunter is and why we believe everything he does throughout the movie. Not only does his “reputation” precede him, but he fully earns it and this is shown during the opening scene.

The Jew Hunter is the most versatile character in the movie, in my opinion. I loved the mind games he played with the Milk Farmer in the opening scene, he gets off playing games with people; that’s the point!

alright you might be right about that, but you got to admit alot of the dialogue was pretty long and meaningless and basically did nothing to advance the plot. Are you really interested in hearing about the hatred of a rat over a squirrel, or how king kong resembles the negroes being brought into the U.S. I actually took a nap at this point until the movie started moving forward again. Reservoir dogs was wayy better then this crap, the characters were much more interesting and diverse in their personalities and actually made you care about their fates, unlike in this movie.

There was a lot of dialogue, but I hung on every word, every facial expression, all of it.

Those long scenes of conversation should be appreciated from the performance angle. The story becomes secondary for that moment of time and the expressions, the looks, the words take the forefront. To me it’s like watching a musical in a sense. A song or a dance number won’t move a story along, it’s put in a film to show off to the audience. An opportunity for the director, cinematographer, coreagrapher, and the performers to really “woo” the audience.

That’s what the dialogue scenes mean to me. Two or more actors, cameras screwed in tight, actors under the gun to really act and sell the words spoken, often in really tense moments…

It’s a rare thing, and probably why the best actors want to work with Tarantino. [/quote]

This. This right here. This is what I was thinking. Good post Brad.

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Anytime I come across a film that I simply can’t understand the appeal of, I call it a “Usual Suspects,” one of the first films where I tried to pick everyone’s brain and ask, “What made it special for you? I was unremarkable.”

SPOILER

My criticisms of the film are in no way an insult to anyone’s tastes or intellect, but an intellectual wouldn’t take offense anyway, so maybe a disclaimer here is redundant.

I don’t like all of Tarantino’s films, but did enjoy Kill Bill and Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs. Of Inglorious Basterds:

  1. The dialogue is painfully mediocre. It’s not witty, not impressive in any way, at least not for me. I think Uncle Gabby said it best about Tarantino dialogue, and Tarantino just seems REALLY in love with himself thinking he can get away with such shitty exchanges between his characters, which is truly unfortunate when you have a potentially good scene.

  2. The violence. For some reason, I was ok with it in Kill Bill, but in this movie it was just too cartoonish (yes, it was even cartoonish in Kill Bill). I don’t understand what it adds OR subtracts from the film, meaning (in my opinion) the film could do without such gratuity.

  3. Brad Pitt can play the quirky roles so well, why didn’t Tarantino do a better job with his character? Tarantino wasted an opportunity to bring out the quirky Brad Pitt. And I hated Pitt’s accent. It was overdone.

  4. I understand the appeal of a movie about Nazi hunters, but let’s be honest: how difficult is it to move an audience about this topic? How hard is it, honestly, to get a viewer to hate Nazis (especially for killing Jews) ? “Jew Porn?” Give me a break. Every movie about WWII that’s put Germany in a negative light (most of films) could be considered Jew Porn. I was hoping Tarantino could add a twist to this predictable sentiment. Nope. I know he has the talent for it, too, so I was disappointed.

What I did like:

  1. The opening scene was great, not just for the tension building but also for the introduction to the Colonel, who I thought was the best character in the film.

  2. I dug the colors of the film. This is one of the first things I notice and it was well done here.

Anyway, I get the feeling that Tarantino movies are like Guinness among other beers. Every beer drinker thinks they’re supposed to love Guinness but not everyone can give a legit reason why, a reason that can’t necessarily be applied to another beer with similar characteristics.

No, my favorite films are not Something About Mary or Must Love Dogs.

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[quote]fistacuffs wrote:
most boring piece of shit movie I’ve ever seen, the only redeeming thing about this crap was brad pitt and the basterds whom hardly got any screentime. I’m a fan of most tarantino flicks, reservoir dogs and pulp fiction being my favourite, but he really dropped the ball on this one. Movie was filled with tons of pointless dialogue and hardly no action, like the first scene for instance, like fuck if you know the jews are hiding under the floorboards fucking get down to it and kill them already rather then go on and on with pointless shit about cows and milk for 15 min. I don’t even want to get started on the bar scene with all the german officers.[/quote]

See, I’m with the others on their rebuttal of your criticisms here; I think the average viewer - sorry, that would be you - is so used to connecting point A with point B - e.g., Jews hiding, Jew Hunter should immediately kill them - that they forget the path connecting the two dots does not always have to be the same, predictably (read: sterile, without emotion) straight line.

What I am saying is that the crooked line connecting these two dots, at least for much throughout the film, was just honestly unremarkable. I love visuals and am very astute, but I appreciate good dialogue because it is truly rare. Even with all the cookie cutter Oscar winning Hollywood flicks (Saving Private Ryan) the dialogue isn’t remarkable, in that what is said isn’t anything someone else couldn’t have thought of.

I want to hear exchanges that most people would have no chance at predicting.

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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:

  1. I understand the appeal of a movie about Nazi hunters, but let’s be honest: how difficult is it to move an audience about this topic? How hard is it, honestly, to get a viewer to hate Nazis (especially for killing Jews) ? “Jew Porn?” Give me a break. Every movie about WWII that’s put Germany in a negative light (most of films) could be considered Jew Porn. I was hoping Tarantino could add a twist to this predictable sentiment. Nope. I know he has the talent for it, too, so I was disappointed.[/quote]

…remember the scene near the orchard when Pitt interrogated the German sergeant, and he wouldn’t give the position of the soldiers? Just before Bear Jew smashed his head in Bear Jew asked what he got his Iron Cross for. The sergeant answered, “Bravery”. This is why i like Tarantino and this film because eventhough he treads in familiar paths, in his own way manages to avoid the pitfalls along the way…

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[quote]fistacuffs wrote:
most boring piece of shit movie I’ve ever seen, the only redeeming thing about this crap was brad pitt and the basterds whom hardly got any screentime. I’m a fan of most tarantino flicks, reservoir dogs and pulp fiction being my favourite, but he really dropped the ball on this one. Movie was filled with tons of pointless dialogue and hardly no action, like the first scene for instance, like fuck if you know the jews are hiding under the floorboards fucking get down to it and kill them already rather then go on and on with pointless shit about cows and milk for 15 min. I don’t even want to get started on the bar scene with all the german officers.[/quote]

SPOILER ALERT

Welcome to T-Nation.

You completely miss the point of why the scene with the Jews under the floorboard was there. Could you not feel the anticipation of whether or not they would be discovered? Would they live? Would they die? Did you totally miss the game of mental chess the German officer and French man were playing with each other? Are you that oblivious, or did you just not care?

You probably didn’t care to see how Shoshana plotted to kill all those Nazis in the theatre either, or how the cellar scene would play out too. Dude that’s Tarantino’s whole deal, making you think. If you wanted to see people shot up with blood and guts everywhere, this was not the film for you, while it did provide alot of that.

The suspense of what might happen is what is so appealing, because in many of these situations it could go either way. I guess you hated the ending too, but did you wonder if the last Nazi would get shot or carved up? You have no depth dude.

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For those who didn’t like the “talk” scenes well maybe you didn’t go see the right movie.
This is NOT a war movie, don’t compare it saving private ryan it’s useless. It’s a Tarantino movie taking place during world war II.
I, for one LOVED the opening scene. There is so much tension my heart was racing more than in any fight scene I ever saw. Lambda is one of the best evil character ever made.

I have to agree tho that the basterds didn’t get enough screen time. I would’ve liked to see a bit more of their cruelty. Then again, this movie should have been 3 hours long: more basterds, more Lambda dialogue, and more Nazi killing!

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Couldn’t stand this waste of time. Pretentious dialogue. Boring drawn-out pointless scenes containing no dram or tension. Gaaah! I had such high hopes for this movie to be a total slaughterfest but no, Tarantino went soft and lost his touch.

funmetal

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I was going to watch Gamer sometime but will instead watch this.

Gamer got a lot of lackluster reviews so I’ll just wait for it to come out on DVD or something.

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Movie needed more coverage of the basterds. There was Raine, Bear Jew, The Little Guy or whatever the Germans called him, and the two guys who spoke German. What’s up with the rest of the team?

While the dialogue was good and there was decent tension in a couple of the scenes, they all dragged on too long. Yes, I’m sure actors love working with Tarantino, as would I since it would mean I could chatter away and it would all end up on screen. Actors are tools for the director to tell his story, not actually BE the story. It felt like a disjointed All Star sports game- lots of talent on the field with some flashes here and there, but the game itself was unremarkable. Honestly I was close to walking out on multiple occasions, only sticking around for hopes of a big enough payoff at the end. While the ending was good, it wasn’t good enough to make up for my boredom during the rest of the film.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
PonceDeLeon wrote:

  1. I understand the appeal of a movie about Nazi hunters, but let’s be honest: how difficult is it to move an audience about this topic? How hard is it, honestly, to get a viewer to hate Nazis (especially for killing Jews) ? “Jew Porn?” Give me a break.

Every movie about WWII that’s put Germany in a negative light (most of films) could be considered Jew Porn. I was hoping Tarantino could add a twist to this predictable sentiment. Nope. I know he has the talent for it, too, so I was disappointed.

…remember the scene near the orchard when Pitt interrogated the German sergeant, and he wouldn’t give the position of the soldiers? Just before Bear Jew smashed his head in Bear Jew asked what he got his Iron Cross for. The sergeant answered, “Bravery”. This is why i like Tarantino and this film because eventhough he treads in familiar paths, in his own way manages to avoid the pitfalls along the way…
[/quote]

SPOILER

Yes, and I thought that was clever dialogue. Why wasn’t there more of this throughout the movie?

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[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:

I agree with you that Tarantino is too in love with his own dialogue, and since he has been so successful no one really has the power to force him to edit down his scripts. This worked against Jackie Brown which was too long, but it didn’t really bother me in the Basterds. Of course, I’ve only seen it once. If I tried to watch it again some of the scenes would probably get on my nerves.[/quote]

After seeing this movie for the second time, I have to say I didn’t mind the long dialogue scenes at all the second time through.

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

Great Movie, wanted to see more of the Basterds. If they want to do a prequel showing the early days of how the Basterds really came to be, they’d have sold at least one ticket already.

[/quote]

Agree with this.

Just saw this today, and I will say that I enjoyed the movie.

I would love to see more of the Bastards.

Really fun movie so long as you enjoy watching the Nazi’s killed.

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Spoiler

I really liked the ending with the Nazis in the Kino.

They were laughing as the screen watching the enemy die… the we get to applaud watching Nazis die.

Actually, I really liked the entire film. I didn’t even notice long dialogue scenes.